LP 35, CP 33, NDP 17, BQ 8, GP 7 - Harper leads as best PM (New Nanos Poll)

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The latest Nanos poll completed Wednesday night shows that the Liberals and Conservatives are gripped in a deadlock (LP 35%, CP 33%, NDP 17%, BQ 8%, GP 7%).

Of note, in the province of Quebec, support for the Bloc has decreased by nine points in the last quarter, with the NDP picking up most of that support.

On the best Prime Minister front, Stephen Harper still enjoys a significant advantage over Stephane Dion.

A potential election poses risks for both the Conservatives and the Liberals. Prime Minister Harper seems ready to risk his mandate while his party is tied with the Liberals. Liberal leader Stephane Dion has not been embraced by Canadians.

Methodology Polling between August 20th and August 27th, 2008. (Random Telephone Survey of 1,000 Canadians, 18 years of age and older). A survey of 1,000 Canadians is accurate to within 3.1 percentage points, plus or minus, 19 times out of 20.

Ballot Question: For those parties you would consider voting for federally, could you please rank your top two current local preferences? (Committed Voters Only - First Choice)

The numbers in parenthesis denote the change from the previous Nanos Research Survey completed in May 2008.

Committed Voters - Canada (N=846, MoE ± 3.4%, 19 times out of 20)

  • Liberal Party 35% (+1)
  • Conservative Party 33% (NC)
  • NDP 17% (+2)
  • BQ 8% (-3)
  • Green Party 7% (-1)
  • (*Note: Undecided 16%)

Committed Voters - Quebec (N=214, MoE ± 6.8%, 19 times out of 20)

  • BQ 31% (-9)
  • Conservative Party 25% (+2)
  • Liberal Party 24% (+2)
  • NDP 13% (+8)
  • Green Party 7% (-2)
  • (*Note: Undecided 14%)

Best PM Question: Of the following individuals, who do you think would make the best Prime Minister? [Read and Rotate]

Canada (N=1,000, MoE ± 3.1%, 19 times out of 20)

  • Stephen Harper 36% (+2)
  • Jack Layton 17% (+1)
  • Stephane Dion 15% (NC)
  • Gilles Duceppe 5% (-2)
  • Elizabeth May 4% (-3)
  • None/ Unsure 23% (NC)

The detailed tables with the regional sub-tabs and methodology are posted on our new polling portal website at: www.nanosresearch.com.

It looks like we are headed to an election. What are your thoughts on what will happen?

Cheers, NJN

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gerry l (British Columbia) 29 Aug 04:40

Let me get this straight. Mr. Harper intends to cause an election in violation ... more

rsharp (Québec) 29 Aug 03:51

First off the personal numbers for Dion continue to reflect the effects of attac... more

TPQ (suspended for inappropriate comments) (Ontario) 29 Aug 06:30

Plus, Harper wants to avoid handing Dion momentum by short circuiting the 4 bi-e... more

gerry l (British Columbia) 29 Aug 14:28

Hello Larryl: Yes, our Canadian political scene is an unfortunate mess. An il... more

Tom Good (British Columbia) 29 Aug 16:15

Hello Foxer:---Yes, you are right about a change in leadership and I see that as... more

Tom Good (British Columbia) 29 Aug 16:18

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graham murray

We're headed to the polls, right enough, despite Stephen Harper's lame explanations for mangling the spirit if not also the letter of his law to set a four-year election schedule. And it is surreal for him to tell the Tuk residents providing a human backdrop for the clips offered for broadcast in Wednesday's TV news that the distribution of seats in the Commons is not likely to change much. Let's put this nonsense aside until we've all fully vented on the dreadful summer so maany Canadians have endured. I don't want to engage the next federal election until I've exhausted my frustration with incessant low-pressure systems interspersed with ferocious monsoons.

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29 Aug 02:37

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Richard_thumb rsharp

Let me get this straight. Mr. Harper intends to cause an election in violation of his own law and even though he expects the same (minority government) result. Could he perhaps realize that things would only get worse if Parliament resumed, with further scrutiny of his government's many scandals and failed, neocon policies?

I've just watched Obama's acceptance speech and it is clear as day that change is indeed coming to America and to the world, and for the better. That Mr. Harper is yesterday's man will be increasingly evident.

Who will make the best Prime Minister? Depends how the question is framed. I think in terms of the (wo)man with the best judgement, the most trustworthy, the greatest respect for others and, most importantly, the most competent team.

The mainstream media will continue to harp on Mr. Harper's alleged "leadership" skills, however misplaced. .A lot of good it's done us: war not peace, environmental stonewalling, fewer resources and rights for the disadvantaged, the refusal to use government as a countervailing force in recessionary times, blind adherence to corporate agenda of all sorts, etc.

But the Liberals will be fighting the NDP, Green and Bloc parties for the progressive vote vs. a united right wing monolith, including an overwhelmingly pro-Harper mainstream media. The opposition parties appear incapable of even simple deals in support of what's most important - defeating the Conservatives. That is why Mr. Harper's prediction of another minority is likely true.

That will be a shame because it forestalls the hope and change we so desperately need, too

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29 Aug 03:51

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Tom Good

Ah---the fine art of Hara-Kiri-----No, I do not think either man is that stupid as to enter into a no win situation. I believe Harper, quite rightly, is calling the bluff to Dion's two-step fancy footwork. Both the Conservatives and the Liberals are playing like children in the House, political children that, I believe, we would all like to whip a little sense into, if possible. I could be wrong but I guess this is all political bluster and the election will be October 19, next year. One thing is certain no matter when the election date is called, either Harper or Dion will be replaced, after that election, as leader of their party and we may, thankfully, get a little closer to normalcy in the House.

To be facetious, Michelle Jean could name Harper as the leader of the Liberals and send Dion to the Senate----Ho Ho

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29 Aug 04:03

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larryl

Tom. Hari Kari is used by men with some sense of honor who have been disgraced. Harper has no feelings of any kind so he could never do the honorable thing. We have been suspicious of his hidden agenda and I am just as worried about his motives for going to the polls now. Pinochio {wooden,unemotional puppet whose belly is growing} is being controlled by the power brokers on Bay Street in Toronto and the Ivory towers of Oilberta .They can not risk letting the public find out about all the scandals so they have told him to call the election now. The Mulroney/Schreiber affair alone could destroy the Conservative party again. They have spent too much time and money to revive the old party from the grave to let it be destroyed again. As for Dion, he is not the one in danger of suicide . No one expects him to do well so he would just resign and move to France ,his other choice for a citizenship. They like left wing intellectuals over there.

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29 Aug 09:30

Tom Good

Hello Larryl: Yes, our Canadian political scene is an unfortunate mess. An ill conceived election may also force a change in one of the prima donnas in this political theatre and at least that will be positive. Yes, I agree the puppet masters will be at work as they are with all governments no matter what the stripe------that is a flaw in governance in this industrial age----undue corporate influence.

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29 Aug 16:15

Foxer

Well it's not so much hari kari for Harper - the libs financial picture means that even if he comes back with exactly what he's got now, he'll have won big. The libs will be in horrible financial shape, worse than they are now, and will be even more reluctant to call an election next time.

It's a safe bet tho that yes, dion or harper will be gone. If dion wins, harper will likely have to step down. If harper wins, dion is toast - period.

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29 Aug 11:06

Gordo05

Foxer - your assessment of the fate of both Harper and Dion are right on, and something I've stated here before. While there's been much discussion of who may or may not be there to fill Dion's shoes if the Liberals should suffer defeat (Iggy, Bob Rae, whatshisname Kennedy), no one seems to be speculating about a Harper successor... Peter MacKay? Jim Flaherty (although I think he appears to be more interested in becoming Premier of Ontario), Jason Kenney (crosses burning on lawns)? John Baird (yikes!) Tony Clement? (deli slices, anyone?).

Any of you CPCers out there got any other suggestions?

Nik's numbers are very interesting, however they point to a very divided country, which I find to be a little depressing, because it really reflects the situation that the Reformers and Alliance put the old Progressive Conservative Party of Canada in a decade or so ago.

The Conservative right will never get over it.

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29 Aug 14:30

Foxer

I don't think very many people have really thought about replacing harper. There's a very very teeny tiny chance of dion actually winning - and in fact it's going down fast. Already his party is fighting in the papers about the green plan, unable to agree on it at all. And that kind of stuff should never be public, it indicates a significant rift in the party. Whatever good things you can say about dion, the fact is he just plain sucks at campaigns.

So i think the most likely outcome is a small increase in seats for harper, and nobody will turf him for that. It's questionable if they would if he lost a seat or two - only if dion won would he likely be forced out. And that's a pretty small likelyhood.

So if it happened, i think there'd be a little bit of though into who the next one would be. Of course - it's a little harder to say with the CPC because it's truly the people's choice, they don't use a delegate system. It's easier with the libs because of the delegate system and the fact they just had a campaign.

The country has always been divided. I don't know how you could see it differently. The issue is that the west has grown considerably and now that division matters. In Trudeau's day - the only division that mattered was quebec and ontario. The rest of canada's votes only amounted to a tie breaker if those two provinces couldn't decide. He could therefore ignore western alienation to a large degree.

That of course is not the case anymore. The west has gained a considerable number of votes, to the point where it has significant impact on the political scene. It actually has more seats than quebec - BC alone has as many seats as all the maritime provinces. And of course the bloc nicely divides the quebec vote, reducing that provinces' say in which party will form gov't.

So the division isn't anything new - and it's not something the 'reform' gave, the reform was created BECAUSE of it. It had just been ignored before that.

I think there will always likely be a difference between the east and west as far as vision, and that's not really about right and left. But the right wing parties will always struggle with it a little.

The left however could be in real trouble. Dion has shown the liberal's usual contempt for the west, and has ignored it and/or insulted it as usual. He must think it's still 1970. The left doesn't try to address the division it still ignores it. That will prevent it from ever being able to form a gov't, and it'll just get worse as bc, alberta and sask grow.

Canada is no where near as 'homogenous' as most in parts of the east seem to think it is and likely never will be. Successful parties will learn to balance and address that. Unsuccesful ones won't, and will be stalled politically.

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29 Aug 16:26

TPQ (suspended for inappropriate comments)

Even with the force of a good poll in your face you continue to have those wet dreams about Harper. He's now pretty desperate as witnessed by Duceppe's meeting with him today.

Your nonsense is sheer stupidity and contains not one ounce of truth and or facts.

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29 Aug 16:34

Foxer

LOL - duceppe's meeting showed that harper was right - duceppe says he doesn't have any confidence in the gov't. (Big surprise). So - harper was correct.

Dion's going to lose and lose big :) But hey - don't take my word for it, we'll know for sure in a month or so.

I'd start thinking about who's going to replace him tho - you guys can't afford to screw up that badly again, i doubt you'll be able to afford any more conventions for quite a while after this next one. (heck - seeing as dion and the others haven't paid their debts, i guess you couldn't even afford the last one really.)

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29 Aug 17:17

TPQ (suspended for inappropriate comments)

Take your meds and come back when your sanity returns

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29 Aug 17:18

Foxer

Awww - did your feelings get hurt again? Hey - i understand. If my hero was about to get flushed down the toilet like yours is, i'd be pretty down in the dumps too.

Look at it this way - you'll get another chance in 4 years or less - and maybe the next guy won't be a complete flake! So, chin up and smile :) This just wasn't a good choice for leader.

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29 Aug 17:36

Tom Good

Foxer, a good analysis. Yes, the West is gaining in influence with its resources, it is gaining with the migration of some head offices and it is no longer in the financial backwaters of Canada. The concept that the West is a colony for the centre is dying slowly and you are very right when you say that any political party that ignores the West does so at their own peril. Political clout in both the House and the Senate has been granted grudgingly, late and unfairly. By no means do we have representation by population applied evenly across Canada and in a modern democracy, that is more than disgusting. I believe our provincial governments, whose provinces are being short changed, should be screaming about the injustice but they all have their hands out to the federal government under the table. For 75+ years the West has given rise to political splinter groups primarily based on the perceived indifference of the federal governments to the West and the unfairness of it all within the Confederation. The current "Conservatives" with the the Alliance-Reform background, are, in part, a manifestation of that Western frustration.

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30 Aug 15:43

Gordo05

There's a political science theory that describes how there are "three pillars" within Canada that form the basis for power in the country. A political party has to win any two of the three, but not necessarily all three, in order to win a majority government. The pillars are Ontario, Quebec and the West. Harper will win the west, Dion will win Ontario and Quebec is still a toss-up - mostly due to the Bloc. I notice in Nik's polling numbers that while the Bloc has dropped in support, most of that has gone to the NDP. If Harper can go up the middle in Quebec, he could win a slim majority - or indeed a blostered minority. If the CPC does not win a minority, he is toast. If the Liberals don't win at least a minority, Dion is toast. So, whichever way the cookie crumbles, the political picture will change after Thanksgiving. Will we get another turkey? By the way, readers will note that Atlantic Canada (with its 32 seats) doesn't figure in the three pillars theory. It won't be the first time we didn't count for anything down here!

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02 Sep 07:49

Foxer

Hmm. I'm feeling a two -parter coming on :)

Gordo - you're right of course about the leaders. There's no arguing that a loss for either one means death. The CPC has given Harper 3 kicks at the can, and won't ditch him if he gains or holds, but losing to dion will be grounds for dismissal i think. Dion.. well we all know what the liberals will do to him. There's been a heck of a lot of mumbling about how half the party supports an election just TO get rid of him. It's POSSIBLE that if harper lost by a seat or two or something people would keep him (depending on the circumstances) but he'd have to do some very very fast talking. Any real loss and he's toast.

The 'three pillars' thing is interesting, but it's ignoring a few changing dynamics. In simplistic terms - while there's a great deal of truth to it, the fact is one of the pillers has split, the other is cracked. Here's what i mean:

First off - a quick glance at the pillars: Ontario has 105 seats i believe, quebec 75 and the west 84. (going from memory here, if my numbers are off it'll be by a seat or so.) A gov't needs about 154 seats to form a majority.

So technically - you're right: a sweep (or something close to it) in any two of those provinces will give a gov't a majority. But there's a problem.

First - quebec. Although the bloc is definitely on the downswing - every single poll agrees with that - there is little chance of them vanishing in the near future. They are unique in being a party that quite literally CANNOT form gov't. Its not possible. Even in their reduced state, they're likely to take about half of quebec's seats, and will likely deny at least 25 - 35 of the provinces seats to other parties for the foreseeable future. More if they rebound in the future. They are strangely entrenched in quebec, it's a unique situation.

So what's the REAL seat count for quebec as far as parties seeking a majority goes? More like about 40 - 45 possible seats up for grabs. And that's being fought between 4 parties. Unless a party wins every single one of those seats, and every single seat in ontario - there's no majority with just support in those two provinces. And even if they do some years it won't be enough.

Now lets look at ontario. There's always been something of an 'urban-rural' split. But it's never been outrageously pronounced. However - in the last 10 years that hairline split has grown into a serious crack. Rural areas, specifically the north of the province, has begun to see itself as being very different from the south and/or metro areas. We've seen the creation of groups like the LLA landowners association, we've seen protests, we've seen a definate 'us vs them' mentality as these people see themselves at odds with the south. They feel the gov't has been indifferent to them, they feel neglected and unheard. And they've taken to acting and voting closer to westerners than easterners.

The last election was an example - Harper took the rurral areas and the libs took the metros.

Now the majority of seats still reside in the metro areas and in the south - so it's not an even split by any means. And it is nothing as severe as what the bloc creates in quebec. But - policy that appeals to the urban areas of ontario is no longer what's appealing to the rurral, and that means you ALMOST have to treat it like a seperate province. That is going to make it much harder for any party to actually sweep ontario - there's probably always going to be a 30 - 70 split there unless there's VERY special circumstances.

And of course - it's very hard for any party to win ALL the seats in any given area. There will be liberal seats in the west (even if not in every western province) and there will likely always be cpc seats in ontario and quebec. So no matter what, you need some support in all three.

With that in mind - it is almost impossible now to win a majority without significant support in all THREE pillars. Take a look at the last election - the libs won in ontario, won in quebec (over the CPC). Yet it was the CPC that formed the minority gov't. Very little support for the libs in the west. Had there been more support in the west - the roles would be reversed. Or - look at this one. If harper beats the libs in quebec, and holds the west, But LOSES ground in ontario... he'll be a minority again.

What it's come down to is you sort of need 'two wins and a tie' to form a majority. Obviously that's a little simplistic still, but basically you have to be ahead in 2 and be very competative in a 3rd in order to get a majority gov't, given the situation we face.

Which makes it interesting for the altantics, because they become the tie-breaker to a degree.

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02 Sep 13:22

Foxer

I know what you mean about the 'not counting for anything' feeling - i remember as a kid watching the elections before the 'no publishing' rule came out - and watching them announce who the prime minister would be before the first seat was counted in manitoba or the west. It really makes you feel like you don't count for anything. But at least you can console yourself with the knowledge that given what i've just pointed out - 32 seats (is it 32? or 36? can't remember) can make all the difference between a minority and a majority. The political parties are going to have to shoot for at least a tie (or something close to it) in the Atlantics if they want to have any chance - and in some cases they're going to need those votes to push them over the top into a majority.

As long as the bloc exists, and as long as north-south ontario remain as polarized as they are today, the reality is that Minority gov'ts are going to be a very likely outcome of any election. Especially if the NDP is resurgent and starts taking 30 - 40 seats regularly. 40 to the ndp - 40 to the block - leaves 226 and you still need 154 to win, so you REALLY need to kick your opponent's butt hard to get a majority. You need to take 2/3 of the remaining seats and that means strong support in all three provinces - AND you better at least tie in the atlantics or something close.

Martin was smarter than dion. He saw the writing on the wall. He tried like hell to break out in the west (if i don't solve western ailienation before i leave office, i will have failed) and if he'd survived, he probably would have increased lib support in the west given enough time. But - he didn't. Dion is ignoring the west entirely.

Successful future gov'ts will be able to blend the 'political' stripes of the west and east, which believe it or not can be done, and leave most people happy (they didn't get it ALL their way anywhere, but they got what they needed to be happy).

And they'd be wise not to honk off the atlantics TOO bad. :)

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02 Sep 13:23

Gordo05

Interesting points of view - and I think you are right about the usefulness of the three pillars theory in today's Canada. We are very divided, aren't we... I recall being a member of the former Progressive Conservative Party of Canada when the Reform movement started in the west. We knew that the writing was on the wall, and the strength of the Reformers would deny a Progressive Conservative Party from ever winning the national government again. That's when the movement started to try to reintegrate the Reform and Progressive Conservatives. The interesting thing was that while the interests of the east (Ontario and Quebec) were at the forefront on the old Progressive Conservative Party, now the interests of the west, through the Reformers, were taking the lead in the new party. Reformers were more like the Republicans to the south and the old Progressive Conservative Party was more like the Democrats. Seeing eye to eye was going to be a difficult challenge for the architects of the Conservative Party of Canada. So, in effect, what we are seeing today is the growing pains from those early days of the CPC - and the truth is that the party is still very much in its infancy -- well, a little past the baby-steps stage... The same could be said of the Liberal Party of Canada, which is trying to reinvent itself following the "entitlement" scandals. So, with both parties in rebuilding stages, the Canadian electorate is perhaps a little mystified by it all. Joe Six-pack doesn't pay much attention to the inner workings of political parties, but he knows what he likes and he votes for what appeals to him - what's closest to his own ideology - even if he hasn't clearly articulated it to himself. If he's a hunter, he likely will oppose the Liberals because of their bungling of the gun-registry issue; if she's a hockey mom, or soccer mom, she may support the Conservatives because of the reduced tax on children's sports -- not too many people consider a party's foreign affairs policy, or trade relations -- but if their neighbour's son was killed in Afghanistan, they may have some very strong views on the war. People vote for a variety or reasons, and it would be simplistic to bloc voters into regional categories.

I agree with your assessment of the situation in Quebec. The Bloc will be around for as long as there is a spark of independence left within the hearts of the Quebecois. I think Duceppe may have turned many off in his own party with his dalliances with the provincial wing.

There's an interesting website that helps track the nomination process for the upcoming (and previous) election(s) at: http://www.punditsguide.ca/index.php

It's a great resource for us political junkies. By the way, there are 32 seats in Atlantic Canada - 10 in New Brunswick, 11 in Nova Scotia, four in PEI and seven in Newfoundland and Labrador. There are 75 in Quebec, 106 in Ontario and 92 in the west (36 in BC, 28 in Alta., 14 in Sask and 14 in Manitoba). The other three seats are up North, with one seat in each of the northern territories.

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02 Sep 14:03

Foxer

I like to think we're not that divided - just "different". You take your family to a restaurant, and dad wants steak, mom wants chicken and the kids want spaghetti. But they're all still happy to be together.

I believe in the past we've BECOME divided because regional issues were either ignored or badly handled - the west felt ignored, quebec felt under siege, etc. I think tho that it's possible to reconcile the needs and wants and different feelings of the regions federally and make confederation work. But it will mean some 'changes' in traditional federal thinking. Not massive ones, but some. Federalism is going to be less about the 'one big solution' and more about providing a menu people can choose from to suit their needs locally, but in a co-ordinated and homogenous fashion.

An example (although i hate it :) ) might be transferring firearms regulation to the provinces, retaining only criminal misuse laws federally and maybe a few requirements for provincial plans (must include training and background checks for example). In bc and the maritimes (newfoundland has one of the highest percent of gun owners in canada) that lets us do what works for us, while still allowing quebec the ability to have tighter controls that it wants. If quebec wants to restrict some firearms, or require tougher storage, etc then it can and it's happy, whereas people like me (who still live with bears in the back yard) can still have good laws but ones that make sense in our culture and environment. A pistol on your hip in griz country makes sense here.

My mistake about the counts in the provinces :) that's what you get from going by memory. I thought alberta only had 24. But it just shows - the political power has altered in canada, and quebec and ontario alone aren't enough to give you a majority. Neither is the west and any one other. We're seeing a fundimental change.

Thanks for the site btw - i'll check it out!

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02 Sep 15:33

Bernie

I agree. The devisiveness is the work of the political parties. They are more interested in fighting each other than doing what they were elected to do, that is, fullfil the needs and desires of the Canadian people.
It is they who set the model for the voters and the voters fall into the trap of party loyalty rather than vote on policy.

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30 Aug 07:55

RonaldODowd

Gordo05,

Like a newly wise good little boy, I'll cross that bridge if and when I come to it! I've learned quite a few lessons from my previous association with Carol Jamieson...

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30 Aug 14:13

Gordo05

Ah, Carol of the various "let's turf the leader" movements. With friends like her, who needs enemies? I had forgotten about her. Don't 'spose she's workin' for the Liberals, do ya?

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02 Sep 14:14

Tom Good

Hello Foxer:---Yes, you are right about a change in leadership and I see that as the only positive if an election is called.

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29 Aug 16:18

TPQ (suspended for inappropriate comments)

My bet is that Dion will stay on even if the Libs lose. They have a history of being loyal to their leader through at least two elections and I don't see that changing as Don will do well in the upcoming election. He is being well coached and is saying the right things so far.

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29 Aug 16:36

Foxer

the libs have a history of turfing a leader the moment he loses. Chretien summed it up best when asked about martin - "he didn't win." The liberals as a party only really care about being in power. And there is zero chance of him winning another convention. I doubt there'll be a 'kennedy' in the wings for him this time.

I hope he drags it out - it will divide the party even further. But I think he'd likely just resign. He knows the score.

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29 Aug 16:57

TPQ (suspended for inappropriate comments)

Its obvious you have no clue...Martin resigned because he didn't want to sit in opposition and his wife did not want him in politics in any event. he has $200MM in personal wealth to assuage his feelings.

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29 Aug 17:08

Foxer

Ummm... martin IS sitting in opposition. He's still in politics. He didn't give up his seat. He's the MP for Lasalle-Emard

So yet another rather blatant falsehood from you it would seem :)

And yes - i'm sure he's managed to sock away quite a bit of dough from his 'dealings' as prime minister.

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29 Aug 17:24

TPQ (suspended for inappropriate comments)

You really are a joke...he simply agreed to hold the seat until this election but has rarelly been seen there.

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29 Aug 17:29

Foxer

So - you agree that you're entirely wrong and he IS still an mp - but i'm a joke because he's not actually doing his job.

LOL - well THERE'S liberal thinking for you :)

Hell - having missed something like 40 confidence votes in the last year NONE of the libearls are seen in parliament these days :)

So - who's the nominee for his riding this election? Surely he must be resigning so who did they nominate?

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29 Aug 17:42

Gordo05

I agree. Dion is gone if the Liberals lose. Hey, that rhymes. Dion is gone. Hope it doesn't catch on. If so, you heard it here first! (not likely)...

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02 Sep 14:19

Foxer

LOL - well if it catches on and they make a t-shirt, you can always demand a royalty :D

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02 Sep 15:35

Tom Good

Greetings TPQ: You are more optomistic than I am but, then, I do not always have the best judgement either as I supported Dion for leadership. Not much foresight but excellent hindsight. Personally, I guess there is much more dissatisfaction behind closed doors than we may imagine and recently the two sitting Liberal MPs in safe seats who are not running in the next election for "personal reasons" is likely a little unsettling. Possibly my imagination is a little too fertile ! ! !

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TPQ (suspended for inappropriate comments)

Your imagination is definitley too fertile. Dion has good control over the party and a tthe same time it is in transition to a newer fairer Liberal party. We are doing just fine and will be the government soon.

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Foxer

Dion clearly has very little control over his party. They're in the paper arguing back and forth amongst themselves over changes (or not changing) the green tax.

And the internal problems have been quite publicly evident for some time now.

Don't you think it's better to be honest about the situation than making statements that are so obviously wrong? People can't respect you if you won't at least speak the truth.

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gerry l

How devastating must be the Conservative internal polls if these latest Nanos numbers are any indication. Only the prospect of worse support levels to come pushes Harper to call an election he readily admits he cannot win.

Finally, Canadians will have an oppourtunity to pass judgement on this Prime Minister.

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TPQ (suspended for inappropriate comments)

First off the personal numbers for Dion continue to reflect the effects of attack ads the Tories roll out regularly and not his real competence. It is sad that we are getting such low ball and dirty politics from the Tories. Paybacks will be hell for them as the Liberal "team" will roll out some pretty damning stuff about Harper during the course of an election. They have Iggy and Petersen plus some other heavy hitters just itching to go after Steve the liar.
The Libs will spend their ad money wisely in an election campaign and that will include serious attacks on Harper's credibility,honesty,ethics and bully tactics like calling the election early.

Secondly, the popularity numbers for the parties reflect the fact Dion just keeps coming. He inches forward at what seems like a glacial clip but he does get his message out and that's why Harper needs an election now. Some of the tory lovers here will have lots of excuses now.

Thirdly, the NDP numbers in Quebec will not hold and probably will see them not get even one seat. Their numbers are simply enough to allow either the Tories or the Libs to sneak up the middle in several ridings where they will be splitting the Bloc vote.

I say to Harper bring it on. His lies,bribery and deceipt will get full play.

This poll shows why Harper's even more full of crap in the last week with his bluster and arrogance at an all time high. Testing the waters by dragging Trudeau into the picture is nothing short of desperation and the Libs can play that back by showing pictures of Harper with Mulroney in some of their ads.

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Gordo05

These numbers are truly amazing. One has to ask what Harper thinks he is doing - if these numbers hold, he will be committing political suicide. Look at the regional numbers, especially Ontario - Liberals 42%, CPC 29% and NDP 21. The CPC has dropped since the May polling, with much of that support going to the NDP. In Atlantic Canada, the Liberals are at 54%, compared with the CPC at 25% and the NDP at 19%. In Quebec the Bloc has gone into free-fall, but the Liberals and CPC are in a virtual tie. This, folks, is going to be one VERY interesting federal election.

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Bernie

This is the first thing to grab my attention after returning from a 30 year delay for a vacatiuon. I will be happy to anticipate Canadian voters who will be tightening the noose that Harper will slip around his neck on Oct. 14, 2008.

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Non-aligned in Toronto

Extremely interesting numbers, Particularly in the battleground provinces of Quebec and Ontario. I'm quite impressed with the NDP numbers which in Quebec, have nearly tripled, mainly at the expense of the Bloc, and Ontario where they are up four points and into the range where they will pick up seats

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Mike

Hi Nik

I think these polls are an excellent example of the power of what a good advertising campaign, unlimited funds and a total lack of ethics can accomplish.

Since being in power the Conservatives have refused to honor Canada’s international commitment to Kyoto, turned its back on aboriginals by refusing to fund the Kalona agreement, allowed the hollowing out of corporate Canada, tried to dismantle the wheat board, abandoned our world leading position on protection of child soldiers. They have had enough scandals in two and a half years to equal at least a century of Liberal governance….. the Cadman affaire, the in and out scheme, the Bernier affaire, the isotope fiasco, NAFTA gate, cutting programs popular with Canadians in the arts, women’s rights, they have brought us to the brink of a deficit. Yet they are poling at 33%.

If it were not for the magic of propaganda Stephen Harper would have to take refuge in Texas

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Peter3

I don't believe that Mr. Harper is looking to win a majority. He is calculating that the Liberals are in dissaray and will be unable to come together under Mr. Dion to mount an effective campaign. I expect that he envisions anoth minority parliament with a larger Conservative caucus, fewer Liberals, and an official opposition that will continue to permit him to govern as if he had a majority.

Seen this way, his risks are lower.

With a bit of luck, the thinking might go, the Liberal campaign will come apart mid-stream and the Conservatives might get their majority. The first gamble concerns the read that Mr. Dion cannot rescue his leadership. His doggedness and intellect make this less than certain, albeit likely. The second gamble concerns where the Liberal vote might go under circumstances that follow the Conservative prognostication. Leakage could flow to the NDP, Greens, Bloq and Conservatives. The relative shift could lead to anything from a majority government to a minority government with a couple of possibilities in the opposition role.

This one is going to be interesting, that much is certain.

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waynorth

One has to wonder (or stand with dropped jaw) at the gymnastic-like maneuvers we’re seeing from Stephen Harper and the ReformConservatives. Almost two years ago they introduced and passed A LAW that set determined election dates in Canada, with the first one set for October 2009. They raved this was a needed changed to Canada’s election laws in order to “level the playing field” by removing when an election is called from the arsenal of the Prime Minister. They touted this new LAW as a “sure fire way” to prevent any future Prime Minister from EVER calling an election whenever he felt like it (as in when he believed it would do him and his party the most good). Well, it didn’t take Harper long to flush those lofty ideals down the toilet did it? Canadians are going to the polls because Steven Harper wants them to. The question is why is he so eager to break his own legislated law?

He says it’s because parliament is “dysfunctional”. What? Any MINORITY parliament is going to be difficult. In fact, it should be difficult. Parties should have to compromise and negotiate. That’s what Canadians voted for last time. And, as mentioned by countless others much of Harper’s original agenda HAS passed – some easily, some after debate delay and a few after committee changes. That’s not dysfunction, Steve, but how a parliamentary democracy works. So what’s the REAL reason Harper is hell-bent on breaking his own law? If his American-born neocon advisor, Tom Flanagan is to be believed (and nothing to date indicates he shouldn’t be) it’s for a most cynical, despotic reason possible – he simply wants to destroy Stephen Dion and the Liberal Party of Canada.

Let’s be clear. Canadians will be going to the polls shortly, not to give opinion on a pressing matter or to voice consent or objection to government policy, nor for better government, but because Stephen Harper wants to destroy his political opposition and sees the time is ripe. Canadians are now being asked to ante up millions of dollars for an election that cannot by any stretch of the imagination be seen as a positive exercise in democracy and good governance. Who is Mr. Harper kidding? This election isn’t being held for a better functioning parliament or Canada. It ‘s nothing more than a taxpayer-funded political hunting party orchestrated by a very power-hungry, devious megalomaniac. The question now is will Canadians knowingly join this Harper/Flanagan hunting party?

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RonaldODowd

Blair Wilson.

Breakthrough for the Greens or one-day wonder?

What will be the effect on the Greens polling numbers? What will be their seat count, if any? Is this an automatic entry for Elizabeth May into the debates despite the reservations of all parties except the Liberals?

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TPQ (suspended for inappropriate comments)

Here's another reason not to consider Harper in this election with his views so closely aligned with Bush economically. We are going into difficult and the Libs have always shone in tose times because of their ability to slot tax money into the right hands for economic reasons. I don't have comparable figures for Canada but I would bet they are similar. Populist governments are too dogma driven and have no idea how to be practical and strategic in tough times.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/31/business/31view.html?em
Data for the whole period from 1948 to 2007, during which Republicans occupied the White House for 34 years and Democrats for 26, show average annual growth of real gross national product of 1.64 percent per capita under Republican presidents versus 2.78 percent under Democrats.

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larryl

Does any one besides me see this for what it really is? Pinnochio is again violating campaign spending rules by launching the CPC advertising campaign before the writ has been dropped . Advertising dollars spent before the campaign is officially on won't show up at Elections Canada for scrutiny. The longer he can bend the rules, the better his chances of fooling the voters he is honest and has any integrity at all.The G.G. is the only wild card in this game. She could and should put a stop to Yo Yo Harper playing fast and loose with the rules he actually had a part in writing. A coalition with only negotiated legislation among the parties with no motions of non-confidence could see the election being held on the date set by Harper's law. That law, like the man who passed it, has no real value since it can be ignored by the party in power with claims the government is disfunctional. How can anything he says be trusted??????

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RonaldODowd

Best Or Worst Line Heard So Far:

Jack Layton: I'll be applying for Stephen Harper's job! (Worst.)

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Here's a god management report on the Tories agriculture minister:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/montreal/story/2008/08/30/gagliano-farm.html

" Soudas said the Tories are in the process of tightening the guidelines that Crown corporations must take into account when loaning money.

He said that means all federal Crown corporations engaged in commercial lending will have to take into account "the personal integrity" of an individual during the review of that person's loan application."

Isn't that typical of this useless government. They blamed the Liberals for Adscam and promised accountibility and then lend money to one of the guys involved and a former cabinet minister at that.
What a bunch of clowns run our government.
I think they need to rephrase that wording above as no tory would ever get a farm loan in the future.

Good campaign material to go along with the tainted meat scandal that's now developing into a major government faux pas that has killed several canadians.

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rusty001

I'm surprized that the minority government has lasted this long. I thought we would have already gone to the polls by now. But,the Liberals have been unwilling or unable to show any real ability to lead with any sense of direction leave most Canadians wondering what ever happened to the "Big Red Machine"

Maybe a stong majority mandate for the tories is just what the doctor should order for bothe Canada and the brused and battered Liberal party

As for the idea that an election call would violate the fixed election date legislation passed by the government is bogus. Minority governments were exempt from the legislation both in the bill in itself and constitional convention

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Bernie

Nik; The Saturday Toronto Star states the latest Angus Reid Poll shows the Conservatives have an eight point lead over the Liberals, 36% to 28 %.
I am sure Angus Reid claims a moe of plus or minus 3% 19 times out of 20 also.
Since the polling was done roughly the same time as yours, what could be the explanation for such a difference?
I know they poll a different group of 1000 but all posters claim that their selected group is representative of the whole.

To others who claim media bias, notice that the Star placed this on their front page yet they did not post a poll that shows the Liberals ahead.

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This article is one that should be of criticial interest of center leaning tories:
http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/487996
"In his book Harper's Team, Tom Flanagan makes it clear what the next election is all about for the Conservatives. It's about winning a majority, that's a given. But it's also about making sure Harper's brand of conservatism is entrenched across Canada.

Why? "Because if you control the government, you choose judges, appoint the senior civil service, fund or de-fund advocacy groups, and do many other things that gradually influence the climate of opinion," writes Flanagan, Harper's former campaign manager and professor of political science at the University of Calgary."

The article is pretty damning of the way Tories really do things.

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RonaldODowd

Globe and Mail/CTV Poll by Strategic Counsel:

CPC: 37

LPC: 29

NDP: 17

GPC: 9

As per usual, this continues the trend of the polls being all over the map.

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Foxer

Dion to make 'Green Shift' plan more marketable

The following story appeared on the CTV website today -

http://tinyurl.com/59wr9c

Dion to make 'Green Shift' plan more marketable

Updated Wed. Sep. 3 2008 12:16 PM ET

CTV.ca News Staff

Liberal Leader Stephane Dion will announce tweaks to his controversial "Green Shift" plan Wednesday in an attempt to sell Canadians on what the Conservatives call a dangerous carbon tax.

Continued ...

As you can see - dion has correctly identified that the Green tax is not winning over any voters, and is causing a great deal of concern to key sectors.

After 3 months of failing to explain the tax to people in a clear fashion, he's going to try to re-tool it and explain it AND the changes in just 6 weeks.

Here's the problem dion is going to face in a campaign. He is going to have to spend a huge amount of his time defending and explaining the tax to people, explain how they won't be hurt by it and yet somehow it's going to force people to use less carbon, explain how it will not hurt business, and now also explain how taking the pain away from some of the biggest sources of pollution will result in ANY benefits at all.

While he's doing this, Harper and Layton will be laying out new ideas and platforms that you can bet will be simple to understand and present a clear picture.

This is why i'm thinking dion is really going to do poorly this election. He's making a very amature mistake, one he just can't afford. The guy just doesn't know how to run a campaign - he's going to be spending all his time defending and explaining something, and trying to discredit whatever the CPC and NDP come up with, and will have zero time to present a clear plan for Canadians that people can believe in. You can't win an election if you're spending all your time digging yourself out of a hole.

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larryl

Dion is rejigging his Green Shift. Many will think he is a weak leader because he won't stand his ground. Others might see it as a smart move and show him as capable of changing to respect the wishes of the public. Being rigid and pushing through your agenda is a sign of a control freak who won't listen to the concerns of his caucus and the voters. If he stuck to his guns he would appear strong and decisive but it would cost him the election. Only a fool would refuse to at least try to show he can work for the benefit of the voters who are dissatisfied with his present plan. His political career is on the line and I think he is making the right move. Of course the little dictator will play this for all its worth.Do we really want someone who would never change to do what we want instead of what he wants?

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larryl

How much effect will the deaths of Canadians in Afghanistan have on the polls? I believe a majority of Canadians think we should get out and many believe we should never have gone in the first place. I was shocked yesterday to hear Lou McKenzie say that Canadians are dying needlessly over there. His opinion is that N.A.T.O. won't put the effort needed to end the war. We should not politicize the deaths of our troops but the reality is that it will play a part in some people's decision. I would like to know how much.?

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Lots of tories not running again...I see that Monte Solberg along with David Emerson and a few more are not running for the Harper desperation election. In the meantime the Libs have secured a former police chief in Sask. who is a real law and order guy plus a former head of an agriculture association to run in Manitoba. There are a few more Lib surprises coming down the pike some in Quebec that will catch very positive headlines.

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Foxer

Latest poll - CPC 38 - libs 28 - NDP 19

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/09/04/poll-results.html

"Canadians are most likely to vote for the Conservatives in a federal election, and believe Stephen Harper and Jack Layton would make better prime ministers than Stéphane Dion, according to a new poll sponsored by CBC News.

The survey, conducted by Environics between Friday and Tuesday, found that 38 per cent of Canadians would vote for the Conservative party if an election were held immediately.

By comparison, 28 per cent would vote for the Liberal party, 19 for the NDP, eight for the Bloc Québécois and seven for the Green party.

Even when undecided voters were asked to reveal whom they were inclined to vote for, the Conservatives still kept the lead: Conservatives (33 per cent), Liberals (24), NDP (16), Bloc (7), Green (6).

If the federal election were held today, which of the following parties would you vote for?

Conservative party 38

Liberal party 28

New Democratic Party 19

Bloc Québécois 8

Green party 7

(Source: Environics survey)

This latest poll shows that support for the Conservatives has grown since the beginning of the summer."

WOW - i'm stunned at the NDP numbers, they're really climbing. One poll doesn't tell too much, but if those numbers hold the ndp could be in very good shape.

As i said earlier - if the libs begin to deflate, the votes will go to the ndp and the CPC - and could have surprising results. If they really start to slide, then the ndp could climb faster than anyone expected. Just like we saw with the Reform and Bloc parties during the PC's demise.

Obviously yet another good news poll for the CPC of course. There's now a ten point spread. I think the writing is on the wall for dion.

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Foxer

New Quebec poll - Conservatives, Bloc in virtual tie in Quebec, poll finds

http://tinyurl.com/5kh965

"QUEBEC CITY — The Conservatives and the Bloc Québécois are deadlocked in a virtual tie in Quebec, with polling numbers suggesting that Stephen Harper is poised to make major inroads in the province as he prepares to call an election this weekend.

The poll conducted by Léger Marketing for The Globe and Mail and the Montreal daily Le Devoir finds that the majority of Quebeckers are satisfied with the Conservative government, but still perceive the Bloc as being best suited to defend Quebec's interests in Ottawa.

The survey also finds Quebec voters have serious doubts about Stéphane Dion's leadership credentials. According to the poll, voters have less confidence in the Liberal Leader than they do in Mr. Harper on issues such as the economy, public finances, inter-provincial relations and fighting the war in Afghanistan. However, Mr. Dion is viewed as a stronger leader on the environment and in promoting Canadian and Quebec culture.

According to the poll, conducted between Aug. 29 and Sept. 3, 30 per cent of Quebeckers would vote for the Conservatives, another 30 per cent would vote Bloc Québécois, 23 per cent for the Liberals, 11 per cent for the NDP and 5 per cent for the Green Party."

So it looks like the CROP poll was accurate - the libs are falling behind in quebec and the CPC stands to make some pretty massive gains.

Combined with the good news from other polls released in the last 2 days, it looks like the CPC is on the rise and will win the election with a larger number of seats. I suspect if it looks like they're going to get a majority, Quebec will get behind them even more and they'll wind up taking 20 plus seats more in that province alone.

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larryl

Just read an article on the CBC website about the global economy. It is worth a read. The timing of certain press releases and stories seem to be too strange to be coincidental. Gagliano getting approval for a loan.His lawsuit to have the Gomery decision thrown out because it said he was partly responsible for adscam . Zaccardelli back in the news making statements .The ghosts from the past showing up to remind us of Liberal corruption just in time for Pinnochio's election. What else is going to rise from the ashes to embarass Dion. One might think the MSM was working for the CPC, not the Liberals that most claim control the left leaning media. I can almost guarantee Lyin Brain won't be seen or heard from for the next five weeks. Has anyone heard anything about Schreiber lately and I am sure you won't. Steve won't be campaigning anywhere near Cadman's old ridng or Maxime's either. We heard about Liberals not seeking re-election but very little about Conservatives abandoning ship. Polls are paid for by the media but we only find out about them if the results prove what they were originally intended to show. If they do not turn out the way they were suppose to ,how do we know they were even done?It is really amazing how easily we can be fooled. We really deserve the government we get since we are so easily manipulated.

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MRM

I just finished watching Duffy. He has some advance news on a national Leger poll that will be released tomorrow. While he could not give numbers he said to expect that it will show the Tories in solid majority territory nationally and the Bloc and Liberals in trouble in Quebec and the Liberals in trouble in ON. He also said that it looks Dion's national campaign launch also planned for tomorrow in Montreal may also be in trouble. They are on the phones franticly trying to fill even the Quebec slate for the launch but still have "many" vacancies and are having trouble convincing candidates to run but without much success. Looks like the wheels are coming of that Liberal gas guzzling plane before it even takes off!

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Foxer

Tories seize lead in key ridings, poll shows

OTTAWA — Voters in pivotal regional battlegrounds across Canada have shifted their support toward the Harper Tories as federal leaders kick off their first full day of campaigning, according to a new poll.

The survey of 45 hotly contested constituencies in Ontario, Quebec and British Columbia finds that the Conservative Party has made significant gains over its performance of 2006, while its main opponents in all three regions have lost ground. The survey for The Globe and Mail-CTV News shows the Tories in first place in the key swing constituencies, as polls across the country put them in sight of a majority.

“The bottom line is that the Conservatives are in significantly better shape in these battlegrounds in the three provinces than they were in the election,” said Peter Donolo, a partner with polling company the Strategic Counsel.

“People who reside in these ridings think the country is on the right track.”

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080907.welxnpolls08/BNStory/Front

Wooo - looks like a lot of the swing ridings are going to go to harper the way things are going.

He might yet manage to take that majority.

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larryl

nik. A strange thing happened today. At 11:53 I posted a message to M.R.M. about the CPC website and their list of candidates. It seems that M.R.M.'s claim that they had a full slate was not true. I pointed that out to him and suggested he call CPC H.Q. to update their site since it only listed 250 ridings. The Liberal site had all 308 ridings listed with T.B.A. in any riding that had no candidate. Imagine my surprise when at 16:30 I checked the CPC site again and voila! A list of all ridings with coming soon in ridings where no candidate has been chosen. My question to all is does seem like a very strange coincidence or does anyone think that MRM has enough influence with the party to get their site updated?

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RonaldODowd

Nothing more frustrating that watching third-rate political strategists at work in the CPC, NDP and BQ...they just don't get it. It's not only The At Issue Panel that wants Elizabeth May in the debates -- the Canadian people want the same thing. It's a no brainer for the person in the street.

You would think these so-called strategists would know that by threatening to walk out of debates or refusing to allow May's participation that they are playing into the hands of the Liberals. But no.

Just ask yourself how the voters will react to all this. The undecided will be pushed toward the Liberals thanks to these dunderheads. No wonder TPQ, larryl et al. are smiling...

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reality man

Where's Foxer's daily update on the polls. Funny he's not posting G+M's headline tonight. i wonder why?

"Tory momentum slows in swing ridings since election call"
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080909.welxnpoll10/BNStory/politics/home

Synopsis: The Reform Party's support is dropping and the other parties' support is increasing. The Tories are now behind the BQ in ALL the swing ridings that in Quebec that they led in yesterday.

Peaking the day before the election call is a great strategy.

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Foxer

By Popular Request - Latest poll: Tories at 38, libs 24, ndp 21.

[CALGARY - Sept. 10, 2008] - The Conservative Party remains on top in the early stages of Canada's federal electoral campaign, while the New Democratic Party (NDP) is closing in on the Liberals, a new Angus Reid Strategies poll has found.

In the online survey of a representative national sample of 1,007 adults, 38 per cent of decided voters would support the Tories in the Oct. 14 federal election, up two points since late August and above the party's share of the vote in the 2006 electoral process (36.3%).

The Liberal Party is a distant second with 24 per cent (-4), well below its 2006 total (30.2%).

The NDP has markedly improved over the past two weeks, reaching 21 per cent (+3) for the first time this year and clearly surpassing its 2006 showing (17.5%).

The Bloc Québécois remains stable at nine per cent, while the Green Party drops back to seven per cent (-1).

http://www.angusreidstrategies.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=news&newsid=303

At this point it would appear that the libs are largely in a 'free fall'. And most of their support is bleeding to the NDP.

Folks - we have a race for second place on our hands. The NDP may very well kick the libs out of gov't completely - for the first time the libs may not be either the ruling OR the opposition party.

This of course would be death to the libearls. They would have no voice, no power and no money.

Jack layton could pull off the biggest coup since the reform break out of the 90's.

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reality man

talking about plummeting

The Strategic Council poll of "battleground ridings" in Ontario, Quebec, and BC has been released again and things are looking decisively down again for the Great Leader.

Ontario - 3 days ago CPC 43% Liberals 28%
today CPC 40% Liberals 34%

Hmmm, a 15 point lead shrinks to 6 points in 3 days with the CPC polling lower every successive day with the Liberals polling higher every successive day. bad trend for the CPC

BC - 3 days ago CPC 43% NDP 18%
today CPC 36% NDP 30%

Hmmm, a 25 point lead shrinks to a 6 point lead in 3 days with CPC support polling lower every successive day and the NDP polling successively higher each day. Abysmal trend for the CPC.

Quebec 3 days ago CPC 33% BQ 30%
today CPC 31% BQ 31%

These numbers are fluctuating with the CPC lead having disappeared starting yesterday when they were trailing by 1 point.

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Bernie

I was elated yesterday to see Mr. Layton and Mr. Harper change their position with respect to allowing Ms. May take part in the political debates..
It's sad, tho, to see they didn't until they were forced by the portential loss of votes. So much for integrity? So much for having a instinctive democratic mindset?
Now I may even watch the debate, now that there is some serious about the issues and willing to discuss them and not their just the public image of themselves and their party.

What really got me elated was that of fact message it sent; that is, that the people have power. They can really have their voices heard. If only they would realize it and use it more often. Then we would have a far better country. Everytime something like this happens it shows them that they can achieve something useful if they have the will and take action and force the so-called leaders to take listen to them and take appropiate action. Hurrah for democracy!

Another thing that happened yesterday that help "make my day". I listened to Premier Williams's speech to the NL Board of Trade. It was excellent, superb.
It should be aired on radio and TV and on the front page of the national newspapers every day of the campaign. The mesage may finally sink into the concrete heads of those who still think tha Harper is not a evil, vindictive, mean-spirited man, a tool of the corporate who will wreak havoc on our dear country if he ever gets a majority.
Williams is a tough, hard-nosed conservative businessman. Not the weak-livered wooly headed opposition leaders we have now. Williams tells it like it is and he tells the truth
I wouldn't want him as PM (I don't agree with his political philosphy) but I surely would like him opposing those who are out to do damage to our country.

Another thing from yesterday. I hear the us Secretary of Defence(Gates) and the Chair of the Joint Chiefs of Staff (Mullen) describe their activity in Afghanistan as failing and in its present form no chance of success. Mullen said they may have 162,000 soldiers in there in 2010.
Harper said our commitment will end in 2011. Isn't that great? He is willing to perhaps have another 97 soldiers lose their lives for an admittedly losing cause. What good are 2500 where 162,000 may be needed. The same people who rose up about the Ms. May affair, should certainly be even more outraged about those wasted lives just for the sake of appeasing George Bush.
I have real sorrow for those already killed and their families and those who will be killed; not the fake, hypocritical sorrow Harper exhibits each time a soldier is killed. If he seriously felt remorse he can stop it tomorrow, not wait till 2011.

[updated Thu Sep 11 13:07:05 -0400 2008]

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cmay

Thank you Nik! Finally a set of statistics that we can actually believe and wrap our minds around, after a barrage of substandard numbers from those other organizations.

Will be very interested to see how the events of Week 1 will play out in the polling numbers.

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