Nanos - UB Poll: Majorities in Canada and the US support greater co-operation

1875 comments Latest by syld (suspended for inappropriate remarks)

On the eve of Barack Obama’s first visit to Canada as President of the United States, a new four-year tracking study by Nanos Research and The State University of New York at Buffalo conducted between 2005 and 2008 shows that the Canada US relationship remains strong. The double survey of over 1,000 Americans and 1,000 Canadians, conducted each year, showed majority agreement on a range of issues from an integrated energy policy, border co-operation and co-operation on national security issues. However, Americans were more likely to perceive that they had closer business values with Japan than with Canada.

“Tracking shows that the Canada US relationship remains stable on a number of important measures. One significant improvement arose in Canadians’ perceptions of the US in terms of human rights, which was likely in anticipation of the end of the Bush administration,” says Nanos President, Nik Nanos. In 2007, only 24 % of Canadians felt that the U.S. was the closest country, in terms of human rights, to Canada. In 2008, that number nearly doubled to 44%. Americans also felt slightly more in line with Canadian human rights values, jumping from 44% in 2007 to 49% in 2008.

Despite the fact that 59% of Canadians identify the United States as the country with the closest business values to Canada, Canada (20%) remains 3rd in the eyes of Americans, behind Japan (31%) and the United Kingdom (22%) with the Chinese not far behind (18%).

However, despite the difference in business values perceptions, Canadians and Americans were in agreement over which countries presented potential threats at the border. Both countries ranked China and Mexico number one and two respectively, as the countries where border officials should thoroughly inspect shipping containers and question visitors.

In terms of national security, 68% of Americans wanted much closer or somewhat closer cooperation with Canadians while just over half of Canadians felt the same way. Both Americans and Canadians were in favour of much closer or somewhat closer cooperation on border security, anti-terrorism measures, and are overwhelmingly in agreement on an integrated energy policy that would eliminate dependence on the need for Middle East Oil.

Other research findings included:

  • Canadians were more likely to be suspicious of American goods and people crossing the Canadian border than Americans were of Canadian goods and people crossing the U.S. border;

  • The United Kingdom score among Americans on many measures could be a result of the “good ally halo effect”; and,

  • Canadians’ weariness of Chinese imports nearly doubled from 2006 (28%) to 2007 (47%) and remained high in 2008 (42%).

What do you think about the Obama visit and Canada-US relations?

Cheers, NJN

**If you’re interested visit the Nanos website to get the full stats.

Remember to rate the views of others - to allow us to recognize the opinion leaders in our national conversation.

Individuals with the top ratings make it to Nik’s Leaderboard

Reply to Topic

Most Read Comments

Highest Rated Comments

In a 1997 interview, Stephen Harper made it clear that he had supported the NCC ... more

Manitoban (Manitoba) 26 Feb 22:08

Harper's dirty tricks won't work this time. If he goes negative there will be a... more

Jack (Ontario) 27 Feb 09:12

"Harper and MacKay are a farce" Says Russia. US says it was not a threat. Ya... more

Jack (Ontario) 27 Feb 21:09

I could have sworn you told Parnel you would not respond to him anymore. Please ... more

larryl (Ontario) 05 Mar 22:15

Jack. Am I the only one who has figured out there is no difference between Liber... more

larryl (Ontario) 10 Mar 16:19

Three negative article about Harper's speech today in G&M. One by a conservativ... more

Jack (Ontario) 11 Mar 21:58

Comments

Quiet Liberal (Suspended)

Nik, I am personally a great admirer of the Americans. Their drive and family values along with a desire to be productive in conjunction with their intense desire to be free is a beacon of light in this world.

That said both Countries can learn a lot from each other

[updated Wed Feb 18 23:21:43 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

18 Feb 23:21

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Van_thumb WestReform (Suspended)

You got that right about China, were fed up with this country and the Thugs in Beijing, No imports from China period would be best for Canadians.

[updated Thu Feb 19 01:20:56 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

19 Feb 01:20

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Tom Good

Quiet Canadians are not very good at selling themselves to our good neighbour south of the border whether it is promoting tourism by provincial governments or promoting economic realities by the federal government. Somehow, we are each the others best trading partner and apparently an unknown fact to many. Natural resources such as oil, natural gas, electricity, lumber, iron ore, metals are difficult to slap a MADE IN CANADA label on while all finished products from Japan, China or the UK carry a label.

Naturally, the US desires greater integration of energy as it is a one way flow unless it is refined petroleum products that we do not seem to be able to do entirely in Canada.

I am surprised there was not a higher percentage of Americans desiring better border security when I heard last week there are 9 Canadians patrolling the Great Lakes with 2000 patrolling on the US side. I know the US Coastguard is usually quicker to respond to waterway incidents on the international border with BC----and on the Canadian side----than are Canadian authorities. I know Canadian authorities were quite good at "losing" boatloads of illegal Chinese immigrants that are known to have landed on the West Coast of Vancouver Island and, it is assumed, most "drifted" across the border into the US as they "evaporated".

It is reasonable that Canadians know more about the US than Americans know about Canada. It is just the same as when we were in school and we knew a lot more about the big kids than they ever knew about the little kids.

With Obama's visit coming up today,I hope we are not going to hear more political rhetoric about stimulus packages signalling "the beginning of the end" as we heard yesterday. The realistic assessment appears to be ( if anybody really knows ) that Canada and the US will fare better than any of the EU economies or Asian economies, the US dollar will outperform all other currencies but we are still in a mess that deepens daily. It is going to be hell for those unlucky individuals at the bottom of the economic pile and I am equally sure the big bank and auto executives will not starve as they feast on government largess paid for by the little people.

[updated Thu Feb 19 05:51:13 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

19 Feb 05:51

23 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Non-aligned in Toronto

CANADA GOES PSYCHO!

They were a quiet country according to their neighbours. They'd wave and say Hi, but that's all you would ever hear from them.

Then suddenly and unexpectedly the whole damn country went psycho.

They obsessed and stalked the man of the (white) house next door. They filled the ether with mash notes of unrequited lust.

It was like something out of fatal attraction!

We need help folks.

[updated Thu Feb 19 09:30:57 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

19 Feb 09:30

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Thank you again Nik for providing some more insight with our Canadian nature of being more suspicious regarding American goods and people crossing into Canada.

Do you have that broken down by region or are the numbers too small to keep it accurate?

I am curious if Quebec with it's suspicious beliefs of the Anglo culture and loss of it's Quebec culture to the English and Americans would be higher than the rest of Canada.

[updated Thu Feb 19 12:03:40 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

19 Feb 12:03

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

Yes We Can Versus I Said No.

Boy, am I surprised to see this summit going so well. I can't believe how much President Obama is smiling -- he's still at it, even after spending over four hours with our Prime Minister...

I never thought these men would hit it off. It will be interesting to see what comes out of the Depression Summit. If today is any indication, Canadian concerns will not only be listened to respectively but also addressed in a timely manner.

Stephen Harper has fared better than I expected. He is to be commended.

[updated Thu Feb 19 14:56:26 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

19 Feb 14:56

16 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Van_thumb WestReform (Suspended)

I agree with the Polls more and more that we need a stronger relationship with the United States on many issues from Trade, North American Security, Securities, Banking, Soft Wood Lumber, and keeping this crap produced in China out of country. And do not care what they have to say in Quebec, get inline with the rest of the country, you ignorant and arrogant fools. That causes 95% of the problems in Canada to day!

[updated Thu Feb 19 16:24:53 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

19 Feb 16:24

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Van_thumb WestReform (Suspended)

Does anyone know what Michael Igna has been doing lately, he has been kind of quiet lately?

[updated Thu Feb 19 18:15:11 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

19 Feb 18:15

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Bernie

It is not surprising to see general agreement on a range of issues relative to both countries. We are relatively similar in language, demographics, culture etc. so it's only natural that there is a fair amount of understanding and cooperation.
It is also understandable that Americans have less knowledge of or interest in Canada than Canadians of the US.
The people of Toronto have know less about Nain than the other way around.

Yes most Canadians are happy to see a US administration turn back to human rights concerns that was sadly lacking in the precious one. Harper's government may get back on track too, now.

Business values are close everywhere. It's the nature of business. Any closer ties are related to those characteristics mentioned in the first one or two sentences.
I agree with the paragraph re business values perceptions.

I can never understand Americans concern over national security. They must have some form of innate fear or insecurity complex. Surely a handful on international criminals cannot be a serious threat to them. (or to Canada) Imagine how paranoid they would be if they had to live in some of the insecure countries of the world. They should be happy and thank their lucky stars. (as I do in Canada)

Integration with the policies of the US or other countries is something I am not in agreement with. Cooperation? Yes. But formal agreements? No. We don't know what kind of situation we may find ourselves in in the future. I would want the freedom to do things our own way.

Goods coming into our country. Man; that's a book in itself. and I am not much more happier with American goods than I am with Chinese. Or even in our own country where manufaturers can get away with murder; especially food producers.

[updated Thu Feb 19 19:20:00 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

19 Feb 19:20

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

The Border And Security.

I thought that the Prime Minister scored some points with the American media. When the PM says that any threat to the U.S. is also a threat to Canada, I agree with him.

However, where I differ with Harper is on the role played by the Canada Border Services Agency (Customs). I see improvements in our airports and at marine cargo terminals. Truck shipments are also more heavily scrutinized by inspectors. On the other hand, I worry about rail traffic and especially passenger cars crossing into Canada:

I have two questions for the PM - has CBSA scrapped their policy of putting students at primary inspection stations at customs ports? I hope so. No one can convince me that a summer student is qualified to protect our border security.

Secondly, now that we are arming customs officers, what is the policy regarding cars that "run" the border? Will border guards fire at fleeing cars? Or will it be like in the past as cars skirted across the border without challenge because RCMP officers were not posted at some border points?

Too bad Harper did not have the opportunity to address these two questions at the joint press conference.

[updated Thu Feb 19 23:26:54 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

19 Feb 23:26

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Quiet Liberal (Suspended)

Here's how both Americans and Canadians can benefit from Harper being gone;all these rules were implemented by successive Liberal governments:

From the magazine issue dated Monday, Feb 16, 2009
The legendary editor of The New Republic, Michael Kinsley, once held a "Boring Headline Contest" and decided that the winner was "Worthwhile Canadian Initiative." Twenty-two years later, the magazine was rescued from its economic troubles by a Canadian media company, which should have taught us Americans to be a bit more humble. Now there is even more striking evidence of Canada's virtues. Guess which country, alone in the industrialized world, has not faced a single bank failure, calls for bailouts or government intervention in the financial or mortgage sectors. Yup, it's Canada. In 2008, the World Economic Forum ranked Canada's banking system the healthiest in the world. America's ranked 40th, Britain's 44th.
Canada has done more than survive this financial crisis. The country is positively thriving in it. Canadian banks are well capitalized and poised to take advantage of opportunities that American and European banks cannot seize. The Toronto Dominion Bank, for example, was the 15th-largest bank in North America one year ago. Now it is the fifth-largest. It hasn't grown in size; the others have all shrunk.
So what accounts for the genius of the Canadians? Common sense. Over the past 15 years, as the United States and Europe loosened regulations on their financial industries, the Canadians refused to follow suit, seeing the old rules as useful shock absorbers. Canadian banks are typically leveraged at 18 to 1—compared with U.S. banks at 26 to 1 and European banks at a frightening 61 to 1. Partly this reflects Canada's more risk-averse business culture, but it is also a product of old-fashioned rules on banking.
Canada has also been shielded from the worst aspects of this crisis because its housing prices have not fluctuated as wildly as those in the United States. Home prices are down 25 percent in the United States, but only half as much in Canada. Why? Well, the Canadian tax code does not provide the massive incentive for overconsumption that the U.S. code does: interest on your mortgage isn't deductible up north. In addition, home loans in the United States are "non-recourse," which basically means that if you go belly up on a bad mortgage, it's mostly the bank's problem. In Canada, it's yours. Ah, but you've heard American politicians wax eloquent on the need for these expensive programs—interest deductibility alone costs the federal government $100 billion a year—because they allow the average Joe to fulfill the American Dream of owning a home. Sixty-eight percent of Americans own their own homes. And the rate of Canadian homeownership? It's 68.4 percent.
Canada has been remarkably responsible over the past decade or so. It has had 12 years of budget surpluses, and can now spend money to fuel a recovery from a strong position. The government has restructured the national pension system, placing it on a firm fiscal footing, unlike our own insolvent Social Security. Its health-care system is cheaper than America's by far (accounting for 9.7 percent of GDP, versus 15.2 percent here), and yet does better on all major indexes. Life expectancy in Canada is 81 years, versus 78 in the United States; "healthy life expectancy" is 72 years, versus 69. American car companies have moved so many jobs to Canada to take advantage of lower health-care costs that since 2004, Ontario and not Michigan has been North America's largest car-producing region.

(see part 2 next post)

[updated Fri Feb 20 07:51:13 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Feb 07:51

4 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

More "Bad News" for the Doom and Gloom Opposition Parties.

Canadians optimistic about the economy's future: Ekos poll
Last Updated: Friday, February 20, 2009 | 6:01 AM ET Comments20Recommend6
CBC News

Can federal politicians lead us out of the recession?

No confidence

7%

Little confidence

32%

Some confidence

49%

Complete confidence

10%

Fewer housing starts, reduced consumer spending, lower prices for commodities and lost jobs are all problems, but a new poll seems to indicate most Canadians think they won't last.

A new CBC poll conducted by Ekos Research suggests Canadians are not only optimistic the economy will improve, they believe the federal government will lead the way.

Fifty-nine per cent of those surveyed had some, or complete confidence that Ottawa would be able to lead Canada out of the recession.

Will the federal budget stimulate the economy?

Very ineffective

8%

Somewhat ineffective

30%

Somewhat effective

53%

Very effective

4%

Don’t Know

5%

Fifty-seven per cent thought the federal budget would be very effective or somewhat effective in stimulating the economy, and 62 per cent had some or complete confidence in the Bank of Canada’s recent economic forecast.

The governor of the bank, Mark Carney, surprised some analysts with a projection of 3.8 per cent growth for the Canadian economy in 2010.

But Carney believes that will only happen if the U.S. stimulus package actually works to pull the U.S. out of recession.

Confidence in the Bank of Canada forecast

No confidence

8%

Little confidence

26%

Some confidence

55%

Complete confidence

7%

Don’t know

3%

Most Canadians think he is about right with his predictions.

The Toronto Dominion Bank recently downgraded its projections for the coming years. It anticipates the Canadian economy would contract 1.4 per cent for 2009 and grow by 2.8 per cent in 2010.

Eckos conducted the poll between Feb.12-16, 2009, surveying 1,036 Canadians over the age of 18 who were selected randomly.

The survey is considered accurate with a margin of error of plus or minus 3.0 percentage points, 19 times out of 20.

[updated Fri Feb 20 08:30:10 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Feb 08:30

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Harper goes deft

PM appropriates Obama agenda in breathtaking fashion

By MICHAEL DEN TANDT

Last Updated: 20th February 2009, 4:52am
Game, set and match to Harper.

It was probably inevitable, given the virtual deification of President Barack Obama in the Canadian media over the past couple of months, that Prime Minister Stephen Harper would exceed expectations when the two men shared a podium (mano a mano so to speak) at their first joint press conference.

Even so, the deftness with which Harper appropriated Obama's agenda Thursday was breathtaking.

Expectations for the PM this week could not have been lower. For months, since the disastrous fall economic statement, he has taken a beating in the media. Plus, let's face it: Here's our dull, stodgy, puffy and pale prime minister, a man with the charisma of shoe leather, up against the electric Obama, he of the rippling abs. Yikes.

Meantime, Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff and Obama are peas in a pod. Writers, thinkers. They read the same books, share the same friends. They likely have the same favourite cafe in Boston, where they order the same decaf latte. Advance coverage of the visit keyed in, not on whether Ignatieff would capitalize on Obama's reformist aura, but how quickly. How could he not?

Here's how: Harper did it first, in front of way more television cameras. Liberal strategists were no doubt biting their fingernails as the presser began. It's a safe bet they were gnashing their teeth and tearing their hair as it ended.

Climate change

First, climate change. Keep in mind that, until not long ago, Harper and the people around him didn't believe it existed. It's possible that some of them still don't. During the last federal election, as the earnest Stephane Dion exhorted the mob (that's us) to go green, Harper and his senior ministers snickered and tossed stink bombs from the back of the class.

Yesterday Harper let on, with a straight face, that he has been impatiently awaiting the advent of a new administration in Washington, in hopes of implementing his activist, environmentalist agenda. Hypocrisy, the Liberals will cry. True. So? Politics often is about stealing the right ideas at the right time. Finally, Harper is doing that.

On Afghanistan both Harper and Obama were clever. Obama didn't ask for a commitment from Canada to extend the mission beyond its current end date of 2011. Harper pointedly did not say that the mission would end in 2011.

It's clear now that Canada will continue to play an important role in Kandahar post 2011, but that Obama will reframe the entire U.S. effort there in terms of diplomacy and development. Hence, the politically toxic issue of "combat" gradually will move off the table. Canada stays in Afghanistan, but not in a "combat" role. On the ground, nothing will change. Politically, everything changes.

Trade and cross-border issues? Here Harper mustered something that, in any other man, could only be described as passion. Obama made all the usual perfunctory noises about how America must respect its trade agreements. Ho hum. But Harper waxed positively eloquent about how free trade is a boon to both nations. "Nobody should think for a minute that trade between Canada and the U.S. is anything but a benefit," is what he said. Rightly so.

Message sent

The most compelling moment in the exchange came near the end when Harper stated, with unusual force and clarity that, "threats to the United States are threats to Canada." That was a message for the folks in Iowa, Kansas and elsewhere (and their representatives in Congress) who are feeling insular and protectionist at the moment. The message may not resonate down south. But if it doesn't, it won't be Harper's fault.

Harper capped this by holding up the Canada-U.S. relationship -- on trade, in Afghanistan -- as a model for precisely the kind of collaborative global leadership Obama has promised the world. Obama, ever the gracious guest, was left to echo, "Prime Minister Harper is right." And indeed, he was.

Wait for the polls: Harper just put himself back in the game.

[updated Fri Feb 20 08:33:46 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Feb 08:33

18 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Visit a big win for Harper

By GREG WESTON

OBAMA VISITS OTTAWA: Great images of the prez, including Byward Market walkabout
Sun Media's Elizabeth Thompson blogs highs, lows of Obama visit. Click for her observations.

As Canadian media provided excited saturation coverage of Barack Obama's arrival here yesterday, American network CNN briefly showed the landing of the president's jumbo-jet, and promptly cut away to a report on the guy on trial for throwing his shoes at George Bush.

The U.S. media shrug for the president's visit provided a poignant reality check of life in the shadow of the Yankee elephant, a reminder that even a Canadian drop-in from Obama superhero is a much bigger deal on this side of the border than south of it.

That said, Canada's brief encounter with Obamarama was by all political measures a huge success.

After eight years of the most unpopular president in modern times, simply not having to put up with George W. Bush anymore is enough to send most Canadians dancing into the streets.

But yesterday, the charismatic black president from Illinois stood before reporters at a press conference, and suddenly moved Canada-U.S. relations to a whole new level.

"I love this country," Obama said. "I think we could not have a better friend and ally, so I am going to do everything I can to make sure our relationship is strengthened."

Wow. For a few hours of fly-by diplomacy, it doesn't get much better than that.

Presumably, Obama got what he came for -- pictures of his being cheered by adoring foreigners and generally making nice with America's neighbours.

He also returns to Washington with a new political ally at his back, although it is hard to imagine that was ever in doubt.

But the big winner of the day was definitely Stephen Harper and his Conservative government.

On important trade and economic issues, Harper got all the reassurances he could have expected from the president.

For instance, Obama's commitment to help ease growing trade bottlenecks at the border is always music to Canadian ears.

"I think it is possible for us to balance our security concerns with an open border that continues to encourage this extraordinary trade relationship," the president told reporters at a press conference after the visit.

Obama all but tossed cold water on his presidential campaign promises to renegotiate free trade deals to include rules on cheap labour and dirty industries. Maybe later.

The president also downplayed the so-called "Buy American" provisions in the U.S. economic stimulus package, saying nothing in that massive government spending program would violate the free trade agreements he is no longer tearing up.

On other issues the Harper government is not eager to address anytime soon, Obama threw his new Canadian friend some political lifelines.

For instance, an American reporter asked Harper if his discussions with Obama might prompt Canada to reconsider pulling our combat troops out of Afghanistan in 2011.

Before Harper could answer, Obama jumped in: "I certainly did not press the prime minister on any additional commitments beyond the ones that have already been made."

That allowed Harper to dodge the question which, of course, he did.

But the biggest confrontation averted was over Obama's campaign promises to cut greenhouse gas emissions through measures that could have targeted oil from the Alberta tar sands.

So far, the Harper government has maintained a perfect record of doing nothing meaningful on global warming, and that hasn't changed.

Instead, the big announcement from yesterday's get-together was the two countries have agreed to launch a "dialogue on clean energy."

In other words, tackling global warming with more hot air.

Of course, most important of all political achievements from the visit, the PM had his picture taken all smiles and handshakes with the most powerful and popular politician on the planet.

Chalk one up for Steve.

[updated Fri Feb 20 08:38:11 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Feb 08:38

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Obama gives PM cover on climate

Canada's capital
Feb 20, 2009 04:30 AM

Chantal Hébert

OTTAWA—Prime Minister Stephen Harper emerged from his first meeting with President Barack Obama with precious little light shining between himself and his new American counterpart on issues ranging from the environment to the economy to foreign policy and energy.

That's something that would not have been thought possible only a few months ago, when the gap between Obama's environmental and economical approaches and Harper's policies seemed unbridgeable.

Since then though, the necessities imposed on both of them by the magnitude of the economic downturn have forced them closer together. Harper has had to put water into his Conservative wine on government spending and deficit financing; resuscitating the American economy, rather than climate change, is job one for Obama.

In the circumstances, it will take a while, possibly until after yet another federal election, to know whether the minimalist agreement on climate change concluded between the two yesterday is a harbinger of more ambitious developments to come, and if so, whether they will take place on the front of energy rather than on that of the environment.

In the immediate, their stated intent to enter into a so-called clean-energy dialogue may be enough to buy a pass for the huge carbon footprint of Canada's oil sands and ensure them a choice place in the new administration's efforts toward American energy self-sufficiency.

But from a commitment to jointly exploring new green technologies, there is a long way to go to a North American climate change framework, especially one that has teeth.

If they had wanted to send the message that they were determined to hit the ground running on that particular file, the president and the Prime Minister could have backed their words with the appointment of special envoys. That's the route Canada and the U.S. took when they resolved to deal with acid rain in the 1980s.

Still an optimist looking at the outcome of yesterday's presidential visit could conclude that at least Canada and the United States seem to be looking together in the same direction on climate change.

A realist would add that it remains to be seen what that direction is and, if the destination really is that of a substantial reduction in carbon gas emissions rather than just a mutually beneficial energy pact, at whose pace the two governments will ultimately try to get to it.

Meanwhile, the good news for Harper is that linking up with a popular president stands to buy him some much needed cover on the international scene on climate change and some long sought-after resonance for the Canadian message that other NATO allies have to do more in Afghanistan.

For it is not only in Canada that Harper has an opportunity to piggyback on Obama's popularity.

Looking at various European countries falling over themselves to commit new troops to Afghanistan – Obama's priority combat theatre – over the past week, it is clear that the arrival of the new president is turning political hard sells into palatable decisions in many of the world's capitals.

To the frustration of many Canadians, Obama was seen, but not much heard in public yesterday. But for Harper, who got to bask in the sunshine of a leader more popular than himself all day without being outshone by his guest over the course of their 45-minute joint news conference, it turned out to be the best of all worlds.

Chantal Hébert is a national affairs writer. Her column appears Monday, Wednesday and Friday.

[updated Fri Feb 20 08:40:37 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Feb 08:40

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Obama spokesmen comment on Ottawa visit

Feb 19, 2009 08:36 PM

A transcript of White House press secretary Robert Gibbs and deputy press secretary Jim Steinberg commenting aboard Air Force One Thursday night on U.S. President Barack Obama's visit to Ottawa.

Aboard Air Force One

En Route Andrews Air Force Base

Q Let me ask you, was there -- did you detect any sense -- did you detect any of strain or annoyance on the part of Harper when he talked about, you know, the thickening of the borders under the last administration, when he talked about that finally he felt as like they have a partner on climate change and energy, and that the United States is only now beginning to address these issues?

DEPUTY SECRETARY STEINBERG: You know, there wasn't much talk about the previous administration or what had gone before. I mean, having been in a number of these meetings over the years, I just found the tone really excellent. There was not a kind of narrow focus on little issues. It was really -- it was a very strategic discussion, as you could tell from this, heavily focused on the economy and then next on Afghanistan and Pakistan. And it was really -- you know, from two countries that had common problems, they're looking for common solutions. You just didn't get the kind of smaller-level bilateral kinds of problems; it rarely came up. There was just I think a lot of confidence and a sense that this was a good partnership and that they were very upbeat about the direction that things were going.

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/590404

[updated Fri Feb 20 08:50:32 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Feb 08:50

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Quiet Liberal (Suspended)

Harper's shallowness will show up with Obama sooner than later because the facts do not support Harper's lies:

"Perhaps to flatter the President, Mr. Harper invented a most extraordinary justification for Canada's record as the country whose emissions have grown the fastest among advanced industrialized countries.

It was hard, Mr. Harper said yesterday, to make progress in Canada when no willing partner existed in the United States. It turns out by this twisting of history that Canada's terrible record was the fault of Mr. Obama's predecessor, George Bush. Hello?

Emissions actually grew faster in Canada than in the U.S. under Mr. Bush. Canada signed and ratified the Kyoto Protocol on climate change; the U.S. did not but still had a slightly better record than Canada.

U.S. states, not Canadian provinces, started banding together to form interstate carbon-trading systems, which some provinces then joined. California, then other states, created tougher vehicle-emissions standards.

The Harper government never once tried to reach a Canadian consensus on reducing emissions. The reduction target the government eventually set – a 20-per-cent drop in emissions by 2020 from 2006 levels – is not considered attainable by any Canadian experts who have studied the policies the Harper government has proposed."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090219.wcosimp20/BNStory/specialComment/home

[updated Fri Feb 20 10:57:32 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Feb 10:57

5 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Van_thumb WestReform (Suspended)

Message to Nik: We want a Poll done on how many Canadians want the CRTC to be involved in the Internet. This remember has nothing to do with Telecommunications or Television, you do not need a television to be on the Internet. Take your poll by Province.

[updated Fri Feb 20 11:01:39 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Feb 11:01

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Obama, Harper find common ground on environment

February 20, 2009
John Ward
The Canadian Press

OTTAWA

Prime Minister Stephen Harper and U.S. President Barack Obama found common environmental ground yesterday agreeing to set up a "clean-energy dialogue'' to fight climate change.

And Harper delivered a backhand at Obama's predecessor, George W. Bush, by praising the new president as a leader on the issue.

"I'm quite optimistic that we now have a partner on the North American continent that will provide leadership to the world on the climate-change issue, and I think that's an important development,'' Harper said.

He suggested Canada could have done little while the Bush administration was in office. "It's very hard to have a tough regulatory system here when we are competing with an unregulated economy south of the border."

Harper and Obama's announcement of a dialogue is a small step, but it was promptly welcomed by Alberta, home of the oilsands.

The two leaders said they want to increase cross-border co-operation, share technology and ideas.

"We are establishing a U.S.-Canada clean-energy dialogue which commits senior officials from both countries to collaborate on the development of clean-energy science and technologies that will reduce greenhouse gases and combat climate change,'' Harper said.

Obama has made climate change and clean energy a far greater priority than his predecessor. Getting cabinet members and senior officials from Canada and the United States discussing where to go next is a good start, the U.S. president said.

"This dialogue will move us in the right direction,'' said Obama.

"Increasingly, we have to take into account that the issue of climate change, greenhouse gases, is something that's going to have an impact on all of us.''

Although many have called for a North American cap-and-trade system to regulate greenhouse-gas production, the two leaders said this is not the time for that big a step.

Much has yet to be done in the United States, Obama said. "We have to complete our domestic debate and discussion.''

[updated Fri Feb 20 17:08:08 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Feb 17:08

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

The beavertail bilateral

Tim Powers, today at 11:12 AM EST

Stephen Harper proved again yesterday that he is an extremely competent performer on the world stage. He is very good in the international arena and demonstrated, as did Obama, during the press conference that he has a mastery of the complex policy challenges, environmental, economic and foreign, that were thrown at him by the media. For me it was also positive to see the President echo what the Prime Minister has been saying about the importance of getting China and India fully engaged in global environmental initiatives. The Harper malcontents in the environmental movement always seemed to forget the logic of that argument when they went after the PM on Kyoto.

Certainly, I don't want to be smug, as that is something best left to the Liberal Party, but it was pleasing to see all that opposition nonsense about Harper's relationship with Obama being poisoned as a consequence of some misadventures during the American primaries be blown to smithereens. When the Toronto Star editorial board says a Conservative PM did okay then I will call the opposition out for crying wolf on bilateral bitterness. Both Harper and Obama demonstrated they know how to play in the big leagues – good on them for that.

[updated Fri Feb 20 17:23:37 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Feb 17:23

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

'A generational opportunity'
Former foreign affairs minister David Emerson on what Barack Obama's visit means for Canada-U.S. relations

Adam Radwanski, globeandmail.com: Mr. Emerson, thanks very much for sharing some insight on this historic occasion. While the tone of this afternoon's joint press conference was friendly, and there was much talk of mutual goals, the most substantive policy development seems to be a "dialogue" on shared environmental policy. Was it reasonable to expect anything more concrete coming out of the first meeting between Prime Minister Harper and President Obama?

David Emerson: I think the most important outcome is to achieve a level of positive chemistry between the Prime Minister and the President. Where the chemistry is good, you have the basis to drive a new vision of the Canada-U.S. relationship as well as collaborative opportunities to pursue joint interest in the geopolitical world.

[updated Fri Feb 20 17:25:48 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Feb 17:25

20 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

THE OBAMA VISIT
'EASY GUY TO LIKE'

The Canadian Press

February 20, 2009

Ottawa -- Prime Minister Stephen Harper says he and U.S. President Barack Obama spent much of their meeting building up a personal relationship.

Mr. Obama appeared to impress just about everyone during his visit to Ottawa and the Prime Minister was no exception.

In an interview with CBC News last night, Mr. Harper said Mr. Obama is an "easy guy to like and an easy guy to get to know."

Mr. Harper says they talked about major issues such as the crisis in the automotive business and the recession. But they also had personal conversations about their families and were on a first-name basis with each other.

The Globe and Mail

Mr. Harper says that is a great way to find out "what makes the other guy tick."

"It's not just about, 'What are your policies?' But it's also, 'Why do you think the way you do, what are your hopes and aspirations for your own family and, ultimately, for your country?' "

Mr. Harper said that despite the long list of problems facing the U.S., he was struck by how relaxed Mr. Obama appeared.

Mr. Harper said they agreed to talk more about a number of issues, including initiatives on the automotive industry, joint infrastructure programs and energy.

He said the most important element of their talk was on what Mr. Harper called "the big picture stuff." He said they will meet again at upcoming summits and figure out how they can be helpful to each other.

[updated Fri Feb 20 17:32:11 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Feb 17:32

21 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Quiet Liberal (Suspended)

The US media is not so kind about the visit:
"If Canadians were no fans of Mr. Bush, their conservative leader, Prime Minister Stephen Harper, found in him a kindred philosophical spirit . . . "

The Times noted the substance of the Obama-Harper meeting and the new tone it set but then added:

"If Mr. Obama is not entirely simpatico with Mr. Harper, he may have more in common with Canada's opposition leader, Michael Ignatieff of the Liberal Party.

"Mr. Ignatieff is an author (like Mr. Obama) and a former director of a human rights center at Harvard, where he worked alongside Samantha Power, who advised Mr. Obama on foreign policy during his campaign."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090220.wobamamedia20/BNStory/politics/home

Therein lies the real story....Harper is known as a bush acolyte no matter how he tries to spin it.

[updated Fri Feb 20 18:03:55 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Feb 18:03

17 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Quiet Liberal (Suspended)

Harper maybe getting cut off at the knees with the announcement of Alberta's mess now surfacing. This is another Tory ideological mess by the far right. Iggy's moves to placate the west will start to see daylight as this disaster in Alberta deepens.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090220.walberta21/BNStory/National/home
Alberta's economy is supposed to improve by next year, according to Finance Minister Iris Evans. However, there is growing concern that the province's financial woes are much worse than the government is saying publicly.

Michael Mazar, a BMO Nesbitt Burns analyst who follows oil-field-services companies in the province, said the government's unemployment forecast is “way out to lunch.”

By Mr. Mazar's calculation, employment is down more than 15,000 in oil-and-gas drill-workers alone this year – and that doesn't count “the guy who works at the quad dealership in Grande Prairie,” he said. “You don't need him any more because the rig workers aren't buying quads. Who knows what the trickle-down effect is, but it's way more than 15,000.”

An analysis by Arc Financial Corp., which has estimated that provincial royalties will fall $5-billion below last year's take, suggests the provincial deficit estimate may also be too rosy.

[updated Sat Feb 21 03:57:15 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 03:57

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Quiet Liberal (Suspended)

Her's another article that almost perfectly describes my thoughts. The only thing the author is wrong about stems around the sentence that Harper is somewhat good when in fact he is a disaster worse than any hurricane can produce.

http://www.thestar.com/comment/article/590359

Herbert asked whether Obama thought the world was now in the midst of one of those potential historical moments. Obama answered: "Yes, I firmly believe that."

Ignatieff could talk like that. Harper can't. That's why I believe that Ignatieff is on track to become our next prime minister.

Harper is a very good, second-tier prime minister. He's smart, composed and not afraid to make tough decisions.

But he simply hasn't got what it takes to be a first-tier leader. Few commentators would ever sum up their impressions of him as did Herbert about Obama: "He is intelligent, mature, thoughtful, calm in the face of criticism, and, if the nation is lucky, maybe even wise."

Potentially, Ignatieff could attract some of the same kind of praise, although "mature" wouldn't be on the list since his life experiences lack the range and richness of Obama's.

Intelligence, of course, and thoughtfulness (if still a bit too much the academic agonizing), and calmness. Early on, he made a lot of mistakes. That he survived them seems to have given him something of Obama's cool.

Ignatieff has one asset Obama lacked. This is that Obama broke the trail for him while he himself had to overcome the handicap of being intelligent and thoughtful – this, in contemporary politics, being the same as being accused of being an elitist egghead.

Because of Obama, brains have become the new chic.

[updated Sat Feb 21 04:18:14 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 04:18

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

The leader that was not a leader, the honeymoon is ending, fear runs rampant as Harper delivers for Ontario! Another failed liberal on the defensive.

John Ivison: Ignatieff happy to go with the flow
Posted: February 20, 2009, 7:03 PM by Ronald Nurwisah
Canadian politics, John Ivison
Michael Ignatieff visited the Canadian Labour Congress last week, where he had a private meeting with some of the top union representatives in the country.

According to one person familiar with what took place, the Liberal leader was assailed for his decision not to bring down the government and become prime minister.

Mr. Ignatieff defended himself by pledging categorically that he would not vote for another Conservative budget, the source said.

Neither the Liberal camp nor the CLC would confirm the exchange, but if it took place as reported, it raises an interesting question about Mr. Ignatieff’s leadership, beyond the obvious point that he plans to bring down the government within the next 12 months. Just how tough is Michael Ignatieff? Since becoming Liberal leader, he has displayed a worrying tendency to tell people exactly what they want to hear. Take his trip out West last week, where he said the coalition’s demise was due to his fear of stoking Western outrage. He said the Liberals have tended to run against the West to boost support elsewhere and that this trend had to stop. He denounced the Liberals’ National Energy Program and defended the oil sands, although, to be fair, he has even done this in Montreal.

There are other examples where the Liberal leader has avoided confrontation by taking the easy option. In his meeting with President Barack Obama, he seemed to suggest that if the new U.S. strategy in Afghanistan works, he might be open to extending Canadian military involvement. “You can’t get us to re-up in a situation of strategic incoherence,” he said he told Mr. Obama — the implication appearing to be that this could change, if the strategy becomes more coherent.

Or how about his decision to give a “one-time” pass to six Newfoundland and Labrador MPs to break party ranks and vote against the budget, a decision that led to accusations he was fostering regional over national interests? Critics pointed out that even Stéphane Dion acted when a caucus member broke solidarity, expelling MP Joe Comuzzi from caucus.

There is no doubt that Mr. Ignatieff has united his party and given Canadians the sense there is a prospective government in waiting. But leaders know the way and show the way, even when the going gets tough. Recent history suggests that’s right about the time Mr. Ignatieff gets going — shifting his position on issues such as the Iraq war and a carbon tax when it became politically expedient to do so.

Mr. Harper has not exactly been a model of consistency in recent months, but he has proven over the long haul that on issues from the taxing of income trusts to the Quebec-as-a-nation motion, he has made tough decisions, faced up to his critics and argued them down.

Michael Ignatieff may be a “smart set intellectual,” as The New York Times says, but does he have what it takes to make the tough decisions?

National Post
jivison@nationalpost.com

Photo: Sure he looks tough, but Iggy will tell you what you want to hear. (Christine Muschi/Reuters)

[updated Sat Feb 21 09:21:05 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 09:21

5 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

U.S. President Barack Obama and Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper speak at a press conference in Ottawa on Thursday.

Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper said he and U.S. President Barack Obama agreed Thursday to co-operate to battle a global recession, and develop new policies to fight climate change.

Mr. Harper made the comments in Ottawa Thursday at a joint press conference with Mr. Obama, during the new president's first foreign trip since taking office.

The two leaders pledged that both nations will begin a new effort to develop clean-energy technology.

The accord will commit the countries to working together on developing ways for capturing and storing carbon dioxide as well as building a so-called smart power grid, they said.

"We can't afford to tackle these issues in isolation," Mr. Obama said.

In their opening statements, Messrs. Obama and Harper said they discussed measures both governments are taking to deal with a global recession. Mr. Obama said they also discussed diplomacy and the fight against the Taliban in Afghanistan.

Mr. Obama arrived in the Canadian capital this morning, making his first foreign trip as president. Before arriving, Mr. Obama said the U.S. and Canada should work together to reduce carbon-dioxide emissions.

A collaboration between the U.S. and its biggest trading partner on finding the technology to capture and store carbon dioxide would "be good for everybody," Mr. Obama said Feb. 17 in an interview with the Canadian Broadcasting Corp.

The issue is important to Canada as it seeks to expand development of oil from tar sands. The oil is separated from sand and clay with intense heat in a process that releases more greenhouse gases than pumping conventional crude.

The U.S., the world's largest economy, and Canada, the eighth-biggest, both are mired in recessions. Canada's unemployment rate in January rose to a four-year high of 7.2%. In the U.S., the jobless rate was 7.6%, the highest since 1992.

[updated Sat Feb 21 10:34:46 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 10:34

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Quiet Liberal (Suspended)

The GG got an invite to Washington but the lame duck PM did not. that tells us something else about Harper's shortened lifespan as the worst PM ever...even the worst of the second tier ones.

http://www.thestar.com/printArticle/591020

[updated Sat Feb 21 11:55:13 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 11:55

5 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Tories act quickly to keep ball rolling
...
Ministers to follow up on Obama visit

By Mike Blanchfield, Canwest News ServiceFebruary 21, 2009

Mr. Steinberg's account is good news because it shows the Obama administration sees Canada as a "serious" country, said Colin Robertson, a trade-policy expert from Carleton University who spent several years in Washington as a senior envoy.

"These are all heavyweights. And they left with a pretty positive impression."

Mr. Steinberg's blow-by-blow of Thursday's meetings revealed that Mr. Harper and his ministers succeeded in not sounding like a bunch of complainers, even though they faced some serious trade issues, such as a clogged border and the recent controversy over Buy-American provisions in the U.S. stimulus package.

"You just didn't get the kind of smaller-level bilateral kinds of problems; it rarely came up," said Mr. Steinberg.

"There was just, I think, a lot of confidence and a sense that this was a good partnership and that they were very upbeat about the direction that things were going."

Mr. Steinberg made it clear that Canada won't face a request any time soon to keep their troops in Afghanistan beyond the 2011 withdrawal deadline.

"The commitment up to 2011 is a much longer-term commitment than anybody else has given us," he said. "Many of the other allies have only got, you know, existing commitments for six months to a year."

Mr. Robertson said sustaining the momentum will be challenging. In particular, the ball is now in Canada's court to marshal a coherent position on the greenhouse-gas emissions that takes into account disparate positions of various provinces, business and environmental groups.

To that end, while Mr. Obama and Mr. Harper were talking, several other key meetings were unfolding.

Finance Minister Jim Flaherty spoke with Mr. Obama's chief economic adviser, Larry Summers; Mr. Prentice met with Carol Browner, the White House energy and climate co-ordinator; Mr. Cannon consulted with Jim Jones, Mr. Obama's national security adviser.

[updated Sat Feb 21 13:02:18 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 13:02

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

PS faces 'major test' in handling stimulus money

Bureaucrats must follow rules, but get funds out quickly

By Kathryn May, The Ottawa CitizenFebruary 21, 2009

The Conservative promise to inject $40 billion in new spending and tax cuts into the economy over two years to stage a recovery in 2010 is the bureaucracy's biggest public management test in decades.

Federal public servants have never been asked to push so much money out the door so fast, nor have they worked under the thumb of so many rules and spending watchdogs.

But there's little sympathy for bureaucrats these days and that antipathy only adds to the pressure on a public service racing to get billions of dollars flowing to projects that will jolt the economy and create jobs.

"The pressure on the public service is palpable right now," said David Mitchell, president of the Public Policy Forum. "It's a major test of the responsiveness of the government sector and it's not going to be easy because if the economy worsens, we know where the fingers will be pointed." Mr. Mitchell said the public service is accountable for every dollar that's spent and is expected to get money to shovel-ready projects as fast as possible.

"These competing pressures put the public service in such a dilemma." Treasury Board officials say the government recognizes the problem and is taking steps to speed up the time to get programs approved and and money flowing.

Buried in the budget is the creation of a "stimulus accountability framework" to balance the "effective stewardship" of tax dollars and "speed of implementation." The budget bill creates an immediate pool of $4 billion that can be used for "large priority projects." The job is next to impossible if Canada's public servants follow all the rules, controls, protocols and processes that have been piled on them over the years, especially those enshrined in the Conservatives' signature Federal Accountability Act.

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/faces+major+test+handling+stimulus+money/1313726/story.html

[updated Sat Feb 21 13:14:40 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 13:14

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Iggy trying to silence critics he is ignoring women in his party.

Michael Ignatieff appoints Joyce Murray as liaison to B.C. government
By Charlie Smith

Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff has found a way to keep Vancouver Quadra MP Joyce Murray busy for a while.

Today (February 20), Ignatieff named Murray as the caucus intergovernmental liaison to the B.C. government.

Murray was a cabinet minister in the Gordon Campbell government from 2001 to 2005. In a news release, she claimed that the Harper government has “mishandled its relationship with the federation”.

Murray was a strong supporter of former Liberal leader Stephane Dion. Ignatieff didn't appoint her or two other Vancouver Liberal MPs, Ujjal Dosanjh and Hedy Fry, to the Liberal shadow cabinet last month.

After the B.C. media made an issue of this, Ignatieff named Dosanjh as chair of the party’s new intergovernmental liaison secretariat.

Murray is also vice-chair of the Commons health committee and chairs the Liberal reform and renewal caucus.

I pointed out earlier this month that only nine of the 33 members of Ignatieff’s shadow cabinet are women. Perhaps by boosting Murray’s profile, Ignatieff is trying to silence criticism about how women are being treated in his caucus.

There's one thing, however, that he might not have considered. There's a reasonable chance that Carole James and the NDP will win the B.C. election in May. And the New Democrats might not look kindly at the prospect of Ignatieff's liaison being one of Campbell's most loyal former cabinet ministers.
http://www.straight.com/article-202683/michael-ignatieff-appoints-joyce-murray-liaison-bc-government

[updated Sat Feb 21 13:18:05 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 13:18

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

Harper Should Get An Honorary Oscar This Weekend For Most Shameful Performance.

This doesn't happen very often as my friends can attest but our Prime Minister's recent comments on the environment, at the joint Obama-Harper press conference, left me speechless.

I haven't ever heard a bigger load of bull. Harper rejoiced over the fact that he NOW has a willing partner in Washington to address environmental issues. Too bad he forgot to mention that his government, like the Bush Administration, was not itself seriously credible on environmental questions.

Andrew Coyne said he threw Bush under the bus. He sure did. Perhaps our concerned citizen and environmental activist PM can explain to us why we are still waiting for the Harper government to implement its own environmental regulations. I suppose that is also W's fault -- after all, Harper also did make some noise about a previous lack of progress in bilateral regulation.

The press really blew it this time. Remember when Paul Martin said with a straight face that Belinda did not receive a quid pro quo for bolting to the Liberals. Remember the spontaneous laughter that erupted from the national press theatre...this new verbal work of fiction by the PM should have had that one beat by a country mile. The impudence of the man.

[updated Sat Feb 21 13:25:49 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 13:25

6 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Van_thumb WestReform (Suspended)

Hillary Clinton makes her first mistake appeasing China on Human Rights, this is the time to press hard. 20 million Chinese unemployment, only a matter of time for the Thugs in Beijing, No trade with China. No more Chinese students taking up space in Canadian Universities this includes Hong Kong also. Up to you to educate your own China, Wasted money on Militrary, We do not want your tainted money. Is that clear!

Anti China Movement

[updated Sat Feb 21 14:11:20 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 14:11

6 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

"Canadian" Please Stop Crying.

I know you're crushed. It must be quite a bitter pill to swallow but remember we are no longer in the salad days of Stephen Harper.

You'll get over it, eventually. We know, we know, how you said Barack hated Michael and couldn't possibly stand to be in the same room with him for more than a measly ten minutes. No cameras, you said.

So they met with Bob in tow for 30 minutes -- only three minutes short of the PM's time. Must be driving you nuts I'll bet.

Come on, buck up. Cheer up. They'll be better days ahead. Now get out there, put those rose-coloured glasses back on and get back to work doing what only you do best.

Score another touchdown for Stephen. If you see him, give him a little hug. I've got a feeling he could use one, just about now.

[updated Sat Feb 21 14:57:15 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 14:57

10 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

A Bit Of Advice For Lawrence Cannon.

Washington must be all a twitter knowing that the PM and his A Team have significant plans to invade the U.S. in the coming days and weeks.

Harper will be in the U.S. on Monday and Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon arrives on Tuesday to meet Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton.

Lawrence, it might be a good idea not to accept any unexpected gifts from the Americans while you're down there. You know -- large crates or unexpected passengers suddenly and forcefully destined for your Challenger!

By all means, keep the aircraft securely locked on the tarmac. You wouldn't want to have to make your way back to Ottawa with a gift that just keeps on giving...the Prime Minister will want to be in a good mood upon your return. A wise man knows when and how to take his precautions.

[updated Sat Feb 21 15:12:42 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 15:12

20 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Quiet Liberal (Suspended)

the upsurge in support for Iggy has become more apparent with the closing of applications to attend the convention last night.

Our esteemed friend Alice/canadian /informed 1 was going off at the mouth saying they were having troubles getting people to attend. As it turns out they will need election type meetings in many many ridings where many more than 20 people applied. In my riding there are over 40 applicants. final numbers are not available but the hall will be full!!!

Another tory wet dream down the tubes.

[updated Sat Feb 21 16:01:34 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 16:01

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Van_thumb WestReform (Suspended)

Do all the Idiots migrate to Ottawa for jobs in the Government prefect case in point is this National Capital Commission. It is no wonder Canadians across Canada get fed up! No matter what government is in power, the idiots get to keep their jobs when they should be fired like other Canadians so from time to time! We need a Poll of how many Idiots actually live in Ottawa.!

[updated Sat Feb 21 17:07:15 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 17:07

7 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

Strategic Voting.

For a change of pace, I just finished reading Alice Funke's piece on strategic voting. She points out that past electoral voter behaviour has proven itself not to be a good predictor of future voting patterns.

She makes a solid point about hidden agendas and how that can impact crunching the numbers.

I'll quote part of her argument:

"...more of the seats that changed hands in an election had previously been won by margins of more than 5%, than had been won with margins under 5%..."

As someone who has voted strategically in the past based on Joe Clark's theory of the devil you know versus the devil you don't, at all political levels, my questions would be as follows:

The statistics seem to suggest, if I'm interpreting them correctly, that wide range voter volatility is a better predictor of ultimate election outcome. In other words, when a political wave is generated and hits, nothing can stop it. Is this correct?

Another question: if a wave is indeed generated, doesn't that mean that the wave itself is a clear representation of strategic voting at its best, at its most efficient electorally-speaking? To my mind, it seems you can't have one without the other.

Please elaborate. Thank you.

[updated Sat Feb 21 17:23:31 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 17:23

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

I agree

Tim Powers, today at 12:21 PM EST

John Ivison's article in today's National Post about say-everything-stand-for-nothing Michael Igantieff proves he is morphing into your typical Liberal leader.

Generally, that approach has worked for Liberals but will it now -- given the times in which we live?

Being a parrot of platitudes, bumpf and telling people what they want to hear all the time may not be the way back to power for the Big Red Machine.

Critics can rightly point out the Conservative Party has moved around on an issue or two. But as John says in his piece: "Mr. Harper has not exactly been a model of consistency in recent months, but he has proven over the long haul that on issues from the taxing of income trusts to the Quebec-as-a-nation motion, he has made tough decisions, faced up to his critics and argued them down."

For a once-high-profile public intellectual, Mr. Ignatieff has, since becoming Liberal leader, come across no better than a vapid ward boss.

[updated Sat Feb 21 20:38:01 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 20:38

22 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

POLITICS
TheStar.com | Insight | Is Obama a closet conservative?
Is Obama a closet conservative?

Feb 21, 2009 04:30 AM

Thomas Walkom

Canadians going gaga over Barack Obama need to get a grip. He is not going to change the world. He is not going to right all wrongs. Indeed, his whirlwind visit to Ottawa this week underlines the new U.S. president's innate conservatism.

Take the one concrete measure that came out of his Thursday meeting with Prime Minister Stephen Harper – a Canada-U.S. decision to look into carbon capture as a solution to global warming.

This does not signify Harper's willingness to endorse an Obama-sponsored get-tough approach to climate change. Rather, it represents the opposite – Obama's willingness to sign on to Harper's search (much criticized by Canadian environmentalists) for a miraculous new technology that would allow oil refineries and coal plants to keep polluting and then permanently store the resultant carbon emissions underground.

The U.S. president, in a veiled criticism of the Kyoto Accord on climate change, also noted that no solution to global warming can be found unless China and India are drawn in.

This has been Harper's position all along. It was also that of former U.S. president George W. Bush.

None of this is to say that Obama is Bush redux. He isn't. But the differences between the two have been greatly overdrawn.

The war on terror: Obama isn't backing away from Bush's decision to define terrorism as war, a crucial label that gives the president constitutional authority to operate with few Congressional constraints. The key difference is that the new president wants to shift the focus of that war to Afghanistan.

True, he has changed its parameters by ordering the Guantanamo Bay prison closed. He's also banned the use of torture by U.S. officials.

But at the same time, his administration has quietly indicated that it plans to continue the practice of so-called extraordinary rendition: capturing suspected terrorists anywhere in the world and shipping them off to countries such as Egypt to be tortured.

And Obama is continuing to use national security as an excuse to keep those that have been illegally incarcerated from getting redress in U.S. courts.

As for Afghanistan, Obama is working on a new strategy that he'll reveal soon. We'll find out then what he wants Canada to do.

But, like Bush, he is continuing to widen the war by bombing suspected Taliban targets in Pakistan.

The economic crisis: Obama's $787 billion (U.S.) stimulus package of tax cuts and government spending is almost certainly different from anything Bush might have devised.

But a parallel $2 trillion (U.S.) attempt to solve the financial crisis is more Bushian. While Obama is willing to lavish unprecedented amounts of public money on the U.S. financial system, like Bush he seems congenitally unwilling to give taxpayers a role in determining how these funds are used.

Instead, his various schemes – including this week's $275 billion (U.S.) mortgage bailout plan – involve attempts to bribe private financiers, through so-called incentive payments, to act in the public interest.

Obama is even planning to offer billions in subsidies to the very hedge funds that provoked the current crisis, in the hope that this time they'll use the money well.

Oddly enough, even Harper's Conservative government is more willing to endorse direct state intervention in financial markets. It has given $200 billion to crown corporations such as Canada Housing and Mortgage Corporation, Export Development Canada and the Business Development Bank to do just that.

Canada-U.S. relations: The basic bargain made after 9/11 still holds – Ottawa takes account of American security concerns; in return, Washington recognizes Canada's need for access to U.S. markets.

That's what Harper was talking about when, at a press conference Thursday, he veered into an impassioned soliloquy on Canada's commitment to border security.

Obama says he still wants to write labour and environmental safeguards into the main North American Free Trade Agreement. We'll see how far he pushes that. It's worth noting, though, that Harper has dropped the apocalyptic language he once used when this topic came up.

For Harper, however, the real benefit of an Obama presidency goes beyond specifics such as trade. It is that Obama's popularity here makes it easier for his government to align itself with the U.S. on an entire range of issues – from drug regulation to defence.

Indeed, those who used to call the prime minister a Bush sycophant missed the point. As this week's events demonstrate, Harper is willing to fawn over any U.S. president.

Like his predecessors Paul Martin and Brian Mulroney, this prime minister wants Canada cemented more firmly into America's orbit – regardless of who is in the White House – in the hope that this will produce economic rewards....

[updated Sat Feb 21 20:56:54 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 20:56

21 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Liberals are disgusted with the hawk Iggy calling for a longer mission!

Ignatieff Backtracks On Afghanistan
February 20, 2009, 9:12 am
Filed under: Democratizing the Liberal Party | Tags: Afghanistan, Ignatieff, neoconservative, Obama

We know Ignatieff was in favour of Bush’s war in Iraq. But now he has softened the Liberal Party’s stand on Afghanistan and may support an extended military mission. He would not commit the Liberal Party to voting against an extended stay if Obama convinces Harper to bring forward such a motion in the House of Commons. Instead, when asked about it Ignatieff said,

“We’ll cross that bridge when we come to it.”

Everyone knows he’s a neoconservative on issues like this and would love to stay in Afghanistan. Perhaps the budget will not be the only Ignatieff-Harper Coalition. It’s obvious Ignatieff would love a coalition position with Harper on Afghanistan.

Another interesting quote from Ignatieff was,

“I’ve said clearly that our party’s position currently is that the military phase of the mission ends in 2011.” (Emphasis mine.)

How is it clear when you qualify it like that? It shows that Ignatieff obviously would like to change the Party’s current position. We’ll see if the caucus tows the line on something like this. If he were Prime Minister it would be easier for him to get his way because he’d have more carrots and sticks to keep the caucus in line.

[updated Sat Feb 21 21:24:53 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 21:24

20 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Ignatieff adrift

I agree with Conservative Reporter - This was Stephen Harper’s day.

Some may say he basked in the reflected glory of President Obama, but he held his own and then some in the afternoon presser. His remarks about the thickening border and Canada’s concerns about terrorism were some of the finest ever delivered by a Canadian Prime Minister, IMHO.

John Geddes seems to share my pleasure in our Prime Minister’s performance:

…Harper generally sounded confident in the news conference. He spoke at length, and seemed to warm up as he went along. To my ear, his most forceful remarks came late—and pretty much required a reaction from Obama.

The Prime Minister was talking about border security when he shifted rhetorical gears, from addressing the press to more broadly speaking to Americans.

“I just want to make this clear to our American friends,” Harper said in a tone that began to sound rather stern. “The view of this government is unequivocal: threats to the United States are threats to Canada.”

He went on, taking aim, although without saying so, at persistent American notions of Canada as somehow soft on terrorism. “We as Canadians have every incentive to be as cooperative and alarmed about the threats that exist to the North American continent as do the government and the people of the United States.”

Listening to this, and taking in Harper’s urgent tone, Obama evidently felt challenged to say something about it. At this point, he sounded like he was genuinely reacting to Harper, rather than speaking along predetermined lines, or using phrases he had recited many times before.

“Let me just say, to echo what the Prime Minister said, we have no doubt about Canada’s commitment to security in the United States as well as in Canada,” Obama said. “Obviously we’ve got long-lasting relationships, around Norad, for example. The same is true with respect to border security. There’s been extraordinary cooperation and we expect that that will continue.”

The words weren’t dramatic, but they did grow out of the moment. I’m not sure if this will amount to much, but I do know Harper has been preoccupied with border “thickening” for well over a year. He had been frustrated by his inability to get the George W. Bush administration to seriously address the way security measures are slowing trade and travel. Today’s press conference exchange on the matter now ensures that Obama didn’t leave Ottawa without realizing Harper’s frustration on this file…

Michael Ignatieff’s self-obsessed performance was a stark contrast to that of our Prime Minister’s. Iggy’s discussion about Omar Khadr and how a Liberal government would proceed was in appallingly bad taste for such an occasion.

However, what I found most puzzling was his remarks about Afghanistan. In a CBC interview (link above) we learn the following:

Ignatieff said he told the president he felt Canada is “adrift strategically” in Afghanistan. The president “laughed and said ‘we feel the same way in the White House.’”

O.K. That is strange enough. Does President Obama feel that Canada is not doing a good job in Afghanistan? Are we incompetent? Or was the President merely trying to make a joke or put Iggy at ease?

But in the CTV interview Iggy seems to suggest that it was President Obama who brought up the subject and expressed ‘a marked concern with strategic deterioration in the sense that the mission is drifting’, and that Iggy then said that ‘he felt it was drifting too.’

So which was it? And if President Obama was so concerned with the way Canada is handling Afghanistan, why didn’t he raise these concerns with the Prime Minister?

So Iggy either screwed up, or he revealed a confidence that should never have been bragged about on national television.

And this is why the Conservative party doesn’t need to run attack ads.

Iggy’s doing it all pro bono.

* * * *

Update: Sammy mentioned in a previous post that it was also very partisan of Ignatieff to complain to President Obama “about the difficulties we’ve had working with the Harper government.” (Source)

Now that I think about it, it is very curious - and juvenile. What the heck did he think President Obama could possibly do about it anyway?

Tattletale.

[updated Sat Feb 21 21:45:58 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

21 Feb 21:45

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Quiet Liberal (Suspended)

My weekly report from some well placed Liberals tells me they are doing just fine with Iggy at the helm.

He is fund raising up a storm, the polls are good and getting better and the convention is going to be oversold.

Unlike the lies being spread here by Alice in wonderland the facts are solid and the Liberals are in bloom.

[updated Sun Feb 22 00:31:56 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

22 Feb 00:31

4 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

This post is too long but clearly the Host of the Agenda is having difficulty with Warren Kinsella attempts to allow the TVO host to run his own show.

Shaidle, Kinsella, and More
Posted on: 20 February 2009 by Steve Paikin

"So, having now read all of your posts on last Thursday’s program, I thought I’d do what I could in this space to shed some light on how we do what we do.

So if Warren’s ultimate goal was to deprive Kathy of a “platform,” his approach failed spectacularly.
.....

Throughout the course of the day, Warren and I emailed back and forth a few times. Much to my surprise, I found my private emails to him quoted on his blog. I found that to be a violation of etiquette and surprising for someone who, I would imagine, understands the value of private conversation."

.....

http://www.tvo.org/cfmx/tvoorg/theagenda/index.cfm?page_id=3&action=blog&subaction=viewpost&blog_id=43&post_id=9506

[updated Sun Feb 22 08:06:39 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

22 Feb 08:06

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Saturday, February 21, 2009
What Is Up With The Lefties?
Seriously, I'm used to posters on this blog getting emotional and name calling, on both sides of the aisle, that's why comment moderation is on, but what's up with the lefties?

We have Iffy pretending to be the Prime Minister of Canada by having his picture with Obama on a Times Square gumbo tron, hoping for American votes next election I guess.

Iggy's Times Square coup
Posted By ELIZABETH ELIZABETH THOMPSON THOMPSON, SUN MEDIA

All in all, the PR coup cost the Liberals $1,100 for U. S. distribution, $300 for the high-definition picture and $500 to distribute the photo to Canadian media outlets.

"We wanted to be sure that media had an opportunity to see that he did meet with the president," said Liberal spokesman Jill Fairbrother,

Dimitri Soudas, the prime minister's spokesman, said Harper doesn't have to buy advertising to get coverage.

"I guess Mr. Ignatieff is still more preoccupied with getting coverage in the United States rather than in Canada, where he has actually come back after 36 long years of being absent."

http://www.thebarrieexaminer.com/ArticleDisplay.aspx?e=1445184&auth=ELIZABETH%20ELIZABETH%20THOMPSON%20THOMPSON,%20SUN%20MEDIA

Well Elizabeth Elizabeth Thompson Thompson, maybe maybe you you should proof read your own article. Just a thought!

Then we have some sort of Catsella attacking everybody from bloggers to TV show hosts.

I love it: Steve Paikin makes a pathetic mockery of an Ignatieff crony's crude attempt to censor TVO

http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2009/02/21/i-love-it-steve-paikin-makes-a-pathetic-mockery-of-an-ignatieff-crony-s-crude-attempt-to-censor-tvo.aspx

Now, it turns out there's another reason to respect Paikin: He stands up to windbag bullies who attempt to censor his show — even windbag bullies who work for Michael Ignatieff and try to pull strings with higher-up in the Ontario government. You can read Blazing Cat Fur for a very good summary. But I also suggest you read Paikin's own blog entry on the subject (which I have pasted in below), in which he describes the obnoxious tactics a certain Ignatieff strategist applies in a crude, unsuccessful attempt to censor the Feb. 12 installment of The Agenda.

[updated Sun Feb 22 09:27:22 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

22 Feb 09:27

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

A Message For Parnel.

I want to start out by saying how much I respect and yes, admire your longstanding personal commitment to the Liberal Party of Canada. Yours are strongly held views close to your heart. Like myself, you are a born fighter who thrives in the political arena. In short, a natural.

Please allow me to give you a word of advice. When next you reappear which I personally hope will be soon -- please put a little water in your wine - that is all that seems to be expected from you. Is that really too much to ask?

This might seem somewhat rich coming from me (which is probably right) but then again it is important to have your continuing contribution here. We Liberals need you here. I do what I can but I'm neither official nor able to spread myself as thinly as would be required to combat alone the ever increasing Conservative onslaught on this blog.

I like you Parnel. Hell I must be really slipping when I confess some admiration for Canadian. Like us, she is a real fighter. That gets her some points in my book. But not too many!

In the future, please take a few well deserved breaths when posting and get back into the game.

[updated Sun Feb 22 13:12:57 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

22 Feb 13:12

8 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Canada had a good day on Thursday

So much of our economic health depends on good vibes with Americans

By NORMAN WEBSTER, The GazetteFebruary 22, 2009 9:01 AM

Barack Obama's visit to Ottawa might have been short, but its results were as sweet as Canadians could have hoped. Forget the U.S.-Canada "clean energy dialogue" and the rest; what counts in meetings like this is the rapport leaders build up between themselves.

This influences their future decisions - and, just as important, sends signals to cabinet members, deputy ministers, security advisers, assistant deputy ministers, congressional allies, generals, aides, speech-writers and deputy assistant deputy ministers, right down to lowly customs officers. If the president says, "I like this guy (Canada's PM), let's see what we can do to help him out," whole platoons of Washington insiders will find a sudden fascination for Canadian affairs. Even normally surly border guards will practice their smiles before going on duty.
...

http://www.montrealgazette.com/Business/Canada+good+Thursday/1316501/story.html

[updated Sun Feb 22 13:36:24 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

22 Feb 13:36

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Michael C

Hardly two peas in a pod

Obama and Harper – Very different men
by Richard Cléroux


Barack Obama and Stephen Harper Obama and Harper – Very different men
Poor Harper. He didn’t quite cut the same figure as Barack Obama.
Canadians are used to having prime ministers who can stand up to their American counterparts.

Compare Pierre Trudeau’s brains to what Richard Nixon had. “No contest.”

Brian Mulroney may not have made as many movies as Ronald Reagan but he knew how to make a speech without having to read a script.

Jean Chrétien was a better golfer than Bill Clinton, but Clinton had hidden talents.

The week we saw Harper up against Obama and the difference was obvious from the first moment on. Harper wanted to avoid the crowds and head to his private office. Obama insisted on going back out to wave to the crowds that had gathered.

When they walked together, Obama took big easy strides and appeared confident looking up and down at the marble work in the corridor. Harper appeared fidgety, and waddled along beside him like a duck out of water.

The difference is reflected in the popularity polls. The latest poll shows 82% of Canadians approve of Obama’s handling of the economy, while only 26% of Canadians agree with how Harper is handling things.

The image we still have of Harper on the economy goes back to the leaders’ debate in the last election when Harper sat motionless and silent, a smile plastered on his face, while Gilles Duceppe, Jack Layton and Stéphane Dion hammered Harper on the economy.

Image is everything for Harper. Who else has his own hairdresser, Michelle Muntean, paid out of public funds, who follows him around everywhere making sure every hair on his head is in place for that special ‘helmet-head’ look he wants. Obama wears his hair cut short, so short he doesn’t need a comb, never mind a hairdresser.

Harper is cold and predictable. Everything he does is planned ahead of time, right down to the last detail. He’s the kind of guy who seeing off his 12-year old son, would shake hands with him rather than giving him a hug.

Obama is forever giving his young daughters big hugs and taking them into his arms. He relishes adventure. As his limousine was leaving for the airport, Obama insisted on a quick side-trip to the Byward Market in Ottawa to buy cookies and a snow-globe for his daughters. He ordered a Beaver Tail (pancake deep-fried and rolled in sugar and cinnamon with maple syrup on it.)

When asked if he’d ever had Beaver Tail before, Obama replied no, but added they had something in Chicago that filled the arteries just as easily.

Harper can be forgiven for not having Obama’s charisma. Few politicians in either country have. But being petty and mean-spirited is another matter.

Afraid of being outshone by Governor-General Michaëlle Jean and Liberal Leader Ignatieff, Harper tried his best to prevent their meetings with Obama while he was here.

Unable to block the meetings Harper tried to ban cameras and press coverage, Mme Jean put her foot down and issued her own invitation to the news media to attend her meeting.

Harper did score a few points during the Obama visit. Rather than contradicting Obama during their news conference, Harper quickly re-interpreted Obama’s commitments in Canada’s favour.

When Obama pledged stronger measures against greenhouse gases and dirty oil and coal Harper pretended that he has been in favour of the Kyoto Accord all along.

Those of us who still have memory will remember Harper once called Kyoto “a socialist plot” and his repeated attacks on it during recent years.

Now it seems Harper is all in favour of Obama’s Green Shift – it takes skill to switch like that—and Harper is even ready to attend the post-Kyoto summit in Copenhagen in 2011.

Obama just looked at Harper and smiled. Not so stupid this fellow, Obama must have thought.

Two really different guys.

[updated Sun Feb 22 14:09:38 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

22 Feb 14:09

21 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Michael C

Obama invites Michaëlle Jean to Washington not Harper

Tonda MacCharles
Ottawa Bureau

OTTAWA–Governor General Michaëlle Jean discussed the plight of her native Haiti with U.S. President Barack Obama, who invited her to come to Washington – an invitation that was not extended to Prime Minister Stephen Harper.

Obama told Jean he wants to return to Canada with his family. "He told her he would like to see her again," Blouin said.

"And he said to her that he would love to see her in Washington as well."

It was clear Canada's first black governor general and Obama, the first black American president, hit it off. They beamed as they strode down a red carpet together.

At one point, cameras captured Jean tossing back her head in laughter. "At that moment she was telling him that she felt it was like a love affair between him and Canadians," Blouin said later.

"He said to her that he knew that, that he'd been informed that he was very popular in Canada. Then he joked and he added, `Well, it's good to know because if things do not go well for me in the States, I know I can come to Canada.'

"That's why she was laughing so much."

The Harper government spokesperson told reporters Thursday that Obama had not invited Harper to Washington at this time and their next meeting would be the international G20 and NATO meetings in April in Europe.

U.S. media reports on the visit were positive, focusing on Obama's stated affection for America's biggest trading partner during his first foreign trip as president.

Time magazine reported that the president expressed "an unprecedented depth of emotion for Canada, where Obama has a higher approval rating than any domestic politician."

Harper not invited. Obama knows what Harper is like, he's not stupid.

[updated Sun Feb 22 14:20:42 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

22 Feb 14:20

5 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Why signing an agreement with the Bloc by the Liberals will hurt them outside Quebec. Here is an example of 2 recent stories.

'Let's get to work' on building a country: PQ leader
By Kevin Dougherty, Montreal GazetteFebruary 21, 2009
http://www.canada.com/news/work+building+country+leader/1315888/story.html

Sarkozy lauds united Canada
'Close friend'; French leader awards Charest Légion d'honneur
By PETER O'NEIL, Canwest News ServiceFebruary 3, 2009
http://www.montrealgazette.com/Life/Sarkozy+lauds+united+Canada/1246263/story.html

[updated Sun Feb 22 14:23:00 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

22 Feb 14:23

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

http://1anxiousliberal.wordpress.com/

Here is a Liberal Blogger who I have been reading for another viewpoint. He is not a fan of Harper or Iggy. It is an interesting Blog.

Fortress Toronto Crumbling For Liberals
February 22, 2009, 10:00 am
Filed under: Democratizing the Liberal Party

Mark my words, the Toronto Liberal fortress is about to crumble under Ignatieff. Not all of it is his fault, the Tories have been working hard as well. We’re going to lose ethnic votes and votes on the right to Harper. And Ignatieff’s neoconservative policies will lose us votes to the NDP. They are going to hammer us with his positions and it will hurt. I have no doubt we will win the most seats in Toronto, but the fortress will be gone next election.

[updated Sun Feb 22 14:53:36 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

22 Feb 14:53

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Van_thumb WestReform (Suspended)

In the coming weeks we will embark on a new look at our Federal government, we will pick a Civil Servant to critic. The first one is [EDITED BY MODERATOR], Do you know him and what qualifications does he bring to the table, that you and I cannot provide. His department is Citizenship and Immigration. Why can we not get these people to do some work.

Pregnant Tourists should not be allowed into country at the entry point to become citizens and new [EDITED BY MODERATOR] on our many social programs. Who isn't doing their job. This is not exactly a difficult problem. Why are you coming here Pregnant woman go back home to [EDITED BY MODERATOR] or [EDITED BY MODERATOR]! [EDITED BY MODERATOR] have abused many of our laws, but they still complain about not being accepted as Canadians, well this is not difficult to figure out!

[updated Sun Feb 22 15:46:38 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

22 Feb 15:46

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

One Canuck Opinion (suspended multiple aliases)

This is the problem with Ottawa especially the Civil Servants they are so busy protecting themselves they cannot do any work for Canadians. The place and the City are a mess. Why has Nik never picked up on this fact! We want to know Nik or are you protecting yourself also!

[updated Sun Feb 22 18:30:43 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

22 Feb 18:30

4 replies so far. Join this conversation.

One Canuck Opinion (suspended multiple aliases)

Are you getting the feeling that our rights of freedom and speech are being violated on this website, if you do I will make a call to the proper authorities now. Are we in China now, the next Province after Taiwan you would almost think so, most of the comments are based on what has already been in the Canadian Press. Are the Chinese Spies at work in Canada subverting the Internet. Are you a member of the CRTC.

[updated Sun Feb 22 19:02:30 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

22 Feb 19:02

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

"Canadian" And Polls.

I started thinking about something Canadian said to me. He does not believe in making electoral assumptions based on "one" poll. Why does that seem familiar? Oh yes, that's precisely what Canadian said when the Nanos polls started to show the gap tightening up between the Conservatives and the Liberals.

The last poll I saw was Harris/Decima released on February 9th. It put Conservative support at 33% followed by the Liberals at 31% with the NDP backed by 15%, the Greens and Bloc each with 10%.

Perhaps more significantly, it has the Conservatives and Liberal tied at 37% in battleground Ontario with the NDP garnering only 16%.

That confirms my thesis. We continue to rise while the Conservatives hold steady. Canadian may call it "another" one poll wonder. I call it a logical extension of a trend previously demonstrated by Nanos.

[updated Sun Feb 22 19:19:05 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

22 Feb 19:19

14 replies so far. Join this conversation.

One Canuck Opinion (suspended multiple aliases)

For those thatt do not know the "One Canuck Opinion" can be seen at the Vancouver Sun and CBC.ca

[updated Sun Feb 22 19:34:50 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

22 Feb 19:34

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

Boy are the callers ever feisty on Goldhawk Live tonight on CPAC!

[updated Sun Feb 22 20:46:41 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

22 Feb 20:46

11 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Michael C

Either Harper is a liar or a giant hypocrit. Take your pick.

Conservative Leader Stephen Harper, September 9, 2004.

Excellency,

As leaders of the opposition parties, we are well aware that, given the
Liberal minority government, you could be asked by the Prime Minister
to dissolve the 38th Parliament at any time should the House of Commons
fail to support some part of the government’s program.

We respectfully point out that the opposition parties, who together
constitute a majority in the House, have been in close consultation. We
believe that, should a request for dissolution arise this should give
you cause, as constitutional practice has determined, to consult the
opposition leaders and consider all of your options before exercising
your constitutional authority.

Your attention to this matter is appreciated.

Sincerely,

Hon. Stephen Harper, P.C., M.P.
Leader of the Opposition
Leader of the Conservative Party of Canada

Gilles Duceppe, M.P.
Leader of the Bloc Quebecois

Jack Layton, M.P.
Leader of the New Democratic Party

[updated Mon Feb 23 08:54:40 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

23 Feb 08:54

45 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Ronald interesting rethink on your rationale of "thinking outside the box", for using statitiscs of 1-3 recent Polls. I won't put too much criticism into those polls or worry/hope for many reasons already detailed in my previous posts.Turnout for the last 3 general election has been 60.9%, 64.7% and 58.8%.

I was curious about your thesis about relying on other factors besides hard polling data to understand your thoughts behind your views about the liberal prospects.

Some food for thought when clinging to a FEW GOOD polls for your thesis on the next electoral victory in the General Election.

Hard Data: The Ultimate Polls.

2004 Libs 135 seats 37.6%, NDP 19 seats 15.7%, Bloc 54 seats 12.4%, CPC 99 seats, 29.96%

http://punditsguide.ca/elections_e.php?elec_event=16
2006 Libs 103 seats 30.3%, NDP 29 seats, 17.5%, Bloc 51 seats 10.5%, CPC 124 seats 36.3%

2008 Libs 77 seats 26.7%, NDP 37 seats, 18.2% , Bloc 49 10%, CPC 143 37.7%

The Bloc are clearly not going to lose a significant number of seats to any federal party in Quebec even when their base stays home.

The NDP have grown their number of seats at the expense of the Liberal Party since 2004.
Their base has not grown dramatically but they have been effective in targeting seats that are winnable from the liberals.

The CPC have grown their number of seats at the expense of the Liberal Party since 2004. The base has NOT grown dramatically but they have been VERY effective in targeting winnable seats from the liberals.

[updated Mon Feb 23 08:59:28 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

23 Feb 08:59

13 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Michael C

More BS from Harper, remember?

Fixed Election Dates

“A Conservative government will: Introduce legislation modeled on the BC and Ontario laws requiring fixed election dates every four years, except when a government loses the confidence of the House (in which case an election would be held immediately, and the subsequent election would follow four years later).” (”Stand Up For Canada”, Conservative Party of Canada Federal Election Platform 2006, p. 44)

Stand up for Canada and stop the lies.

[updated Mon Feb 23 09:00:36 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

23 Feb 09:00

31 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Michael C

Why Harper lies:

What do close advisors to Stephen Harper and George W. Bush have in common? They reflect the disturbing teachings of Leo Strauss, the German-Jewish émigré who spawned the neoconservative movement.

Strauss believed that allowing citizens to govern themselves will lead, inevitably, to terror and tyranny. A ruling elite of political philosophers must make those decisions because it is the only group smart enough. It must resort to deception -- Strauss's "noble lie" -- to protect citizens from themselves. The elite must hide the truth from the public by writing in code. "Using metaphors and cryptic language," philosophers communicated one message for the elite, and another message for "the unsophisticated general population," philosopher Jeet Heer recently wrote in the Globe and Mail. "For Strauss, the art of concealment and secrecy was among the greatest legacies of antiquity."

The state should take a more activist role in policing social norms and values, Harper told the assembled conservatives. To achieve this goal, social and economic conservatives must reunite as they have in the U.S., where evangelical Christians and business rule in an unholy alliance. Red Tories must be jettisoned from the party, he said, and alliances forged with ethnic and immigrant communities who currently vote Liberal but espouse traditional family values. This was the successful strategy counselled by the neocons under Ronald Reagan to pull conservative Democrats into the Republican tent.

Movement towards the goal must be "incremental," he said, so the public won't be spooked.

Regime change, one step at a time.

Donald Gutstein, a senior lecturer in the School of Communication at Simon Fraser University, writes a regular media column for The Tyee.

[updated Mon Feb 23 09:19:55 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

23 Feb 09:19

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Tuesday, February 17, 2009
Not a Uniter

I'm not sure how many progressive Libs are still holding out hope that Michael Ignatieff will ever reflect their views. But Ignatieff himself is making it clear that left-of-centre Canadians aren't going to be a priority for his party:

As for where he can draw voter support in the Conservative stronghold of Saskatchewan, Ignatieff said he's not a "unite the left guy," but he does want to pull votes from both sides.

"The Liberal party is a party of the centre. Part of my difficulty with a coalition is that I felt it would take my party off the centre," said Ignatieff.

Of course, it's far from clear why forming a coalition government would necessarily affect the Libs' internal ideological dynamics. Which would tend to signal that the latter comment is just another bad excuse for Ignatieff's choice to keep propping up the Cons.

But the more important message is that Ignatieff has now made it a matter of public record that he'd rather lead a Con-lite party than a united left out of fear of what the DFHs might do under his tent. And anybody looking to advance progressive causes in Canada who hasn't taken Ignatieff's earlier hints should see this as the strongest signal yet that it's time to move on from the Libs.

http://accidentaldeliberations.blogspot.com/2009/02/not-uniter.html

[updated Mon Feb 23 09:24:16 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

23 Feb 09:24

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Opinion BC (Suspended)

After reading many of the comments what is really lacking on this site, is tracking the performance of individual Civil Servants and Parliamentary Staff (that live in the 1800's) Pick your Civil Servant of the Day to rant on, we want your opinions to improve the Civil Service. Step one do not hire directly out of any University in Canada. Tell them to get a real job starting at Tim Horton's so they understand real life by talking to Canadians.

[updated Mon Feb 23 13:07:40 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

23 Feb 13:07

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Michael C

Another conservative trashes Harper.

Andrew Coyne MacLeans magazine Feb 9 2009. "The End of Canadian Conservatism: How Harper Sold Out to Save Himself."

"The right is in full retreat."

Sellout liberal budget. New conservative leader is the only way to salvage what is left of the wrecked party.

[updated Mon Feb 23 15:40:53 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

23 Feb 15:40

37 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Opinion BC (Suspended)

I cannot stand the Liberals on this website, they twist everything to put their point across, One guy doesn't understand the first callers to Goldhawk live were females and it was no script they supported Harper, Liberals get your facts straight, the greed for power is getting in the road for you to see the truth.

Regarding the CRTC, Canadian content does not mean French content, they are trying to disguise Canadian for French purposes only. The English want no intereference on the Intenet period. To Commissioners make sure you ask the French Canadians what content they are talking about the French content or the English they may be Canadian but totally different, that is why some Civil Servants have to be fired in Ottawa.

[updated Mon Feb 23 16:51:32 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

23 Feb 16:51

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Michael C

Harper is unpopular as leader and is losing ground. Here in black and white. We conservatives need a new leader before its too late.

By Barbara Yaffe, Vancouver Sun February 14, 2009
Houston, the Harper Conservatives have a problem. And it's one that could impede lift-off in the next federal election.

Ignatieff is well liked across regions, age groups, genders and political parties, "which will be key to him making gains in voter intention."
Harper's popularity, by contrast, "is deeply rooted in his conservative base but is quite weak outside of that base." -- the seeds of discontent could soon start being sown.

What that means is Ignatieff and his Liberals have lots of room to grow, while Harper and his Conservatives don't. And that growth is occurring. Grits have been steadily picking up support since Stephane Dion stepped down in December. During the same period, Conservatives and New Democrats have lost ground.

[updated Mon Feb 23 22:55:08 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

23 Feb 22:55

12 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Moving forward (Parnel's 11th suspension)

Harper seems to be given up for deadin Quebec:

http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/Harper+Quebec+problem/1319039/story.html

"There can be only one competitive federalist party at a time in Quebec, and the Liberals are now well-positioned to be that party. Liberal support in this CROP poll would translate into about 30 Quebec seats. And that would kick in the echo effect in Ontario, where voters like to elect national governments with support in Quebec."

[updated Tue Feb 24 00:17:10 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

24 Feb 00:17

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

Taking A Lesson From Richard M. Nixon.

Many of us posters got extremely fired up during the coalition and prorogation crisis. That happened because each of us in our own way loves Canada. Things were said by most of us that we had every right to think but which nonetheless should perhaps have been left unsaid.

As we debate on this blog we should try to do better in the future and at least limit our personal attacks on one another and yes, even on the politicians.

Think about what Nixon said in his farewell address to his White House staff:

"Always remember, others may hate you. But those who hate you don't win unless you have them. And then you destroy yourself."

Too bad it took Nixon Watergate to learn that lesson himself and finally follow his own advice -- of course, by then it was too late...

[updated Tue Feb 24 05:44:08 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

24 Feb 05:44

6 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

Identifying Tipping Points.

As we all know, politics is not a science but more of an art -- or to be more precise, a black art in recent times. Negative ads are the poison that put us to shame and infect our political discourse leaving it at best, deeply blemished or at worst, permanently sullied.

When am I pontificating all this to you? Because I want to make a serious point. Most of the time, some temporary political advantage can be gained by the introduction of negative ads into a campaign. But that effect is eventually negated by the tipping point: the moment an ad starts to do more harm than good because it has not only gone over the top, it has also gone beyond the bounds of common decency.

The last tipping point I saw was the U.S. Senate race in North Carolina between then incumbent Elizabeth Dole and her challenger, Kay Hagan. As Hagan's campaign started to pick up steam, Dole got desperate and put out an ad claiming that Hagen, a churchgoer, was "godless". In the end, a tight race became a seven point win for Hagen.

Now, let's take this idea and apply it in a Canadian context: going negative was not a resounding success for Stephen Harper in 2006. He had sponsorship, options-canada, an income trust investigation by the RCMP and a tired government in his arsenal but none of that was enough to win him a majority, but it worked -- it got him into power.

In its next application, again a focus on the negative: this time on the alleged lack of leadership skills of Stéphane Dion with a subliminal and extremely subtle focus on his personality and his province of origin. These last two factors were implicitly understood if not explicitly implied or stated directly. Again, mixed results for the negativity machine as the ads failed to deliver a majority government.

To my mind, the latter focus on negative ads marked the Canadian "tipping point" where for most Canadians, the hunger for negative ads was more than satiated. From this point on, for many voters, a focus on the negative will not only turn them off but serve as motivation to head for the polling booths.

That is the danger the Prime Minister is likely to face next time. Liberals can't win if they can't turn out their vote like last time. Secondly, they can't win if they can only turn out their vote. They have to shake loose "soft" supporters of other left to center left to center parties along with the "lapsed" voters.

No question that Harper will continue to make considerable inroads in the cultural communities. No doubt that will tip some seats into the Conservative column. In my view the Conservatives underestimate their loss potential in their projections.

U.S. President Barack Obama has shown us what the power of change and the will to implement it can do. Harper blew his chance to appear as the agent of change. He was too timid in remaking his cabinet. The PM went in the right direction by elevating some talented back benchers but too many duds were simply shuffled from left to right around the cabinet table.

Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff won't make that mistake. Ignatieff knows that while Obama is the epitome of change, he has to be at least, the instrument of change. That is point one. Point two: Ignatieff has to put the focus in the next campaign on generational change around the cabinet table -- his "faces" have to be a reflection of the faces of tomorrow.

Stephen Harper has failed to lead a government of generational change. The challenge for Michael Ignatieff -- and the opportunity -- is to pave the way for him as head of a government-in-waiting strongly committed to and focused on the vital change agenda for Canada.

[updated Tue Feb 24 06:46:10 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

24 Feb 06:46

6 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Consumer confidence on the rise: Harris-Decima poll
Last Updated: Monday, February 23, 2009 | 11:23 AM ET Comments78Recommend33
CBC News

A Harris-Decima poll suggests Canadian consumer confidence is on the rise, finding 27 per cent of those polled predict they'll be better off a year from now, against 13 per cent who expect to be worse off in early 2010.

Of those polled, 41 per cent believed now is a good time for a major purchase compared to 35 per cent in December.

Harris-Decima said confidence hasn't been this high since August.

"Some Canadians appear to be seeing light at the end of the economic tunnel," said Harris-Decima senior vice-president Jeff Walker.

The results seem a little counterintuitive on a day when Statistics Canada reported December retail sales sagged 5.4 per cent — the steepest monthly tumble in more than 15 years. Most of the decline, however, was in car sales. Excluding the automotive sector, retail sales were down 1.8 per cent.

"Restored consumer confidence is an important factor in any potential economic recovery," said Debbie Ammeter, a vice-president at mutual fund operator Investors Group.

"It is interesting to note that Canadians seem to recognize that things could be difficult for most of this year but yet there appears to be more who believe that they will be better off a year from now."

The Harris-Decima poll surveyed 2,000 people and claims a 95 per cent likelihood of accuracy within 2.2 percentage points.

[updated Tue Feb 24 06:46:52 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

24 Feb 06:46

7 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

CPC are protecting the taxpayers by requiring GM/Labour provide a clear "on-going concern". Strict loans no pension bail-out. The Gift of Bob Rae keeps giving. Iggy will have to accept those facts. Dalton has a huge time bomb of $ 4.5 Billion compliments of the NDP side deal with GM/CAW pension shortfall.

How will the oppostion react? Will they demand the taxpayers keep the Gold plated Pension Plan negotiated between GM/CAW?

AUTOMOTIVE
Ottawa won't aid GM pension plan

SHAWN MCCARTHY and KAREN HOWLETT AND GREG KEENAN

February 24, 2009

OTTAWA AND TORONTO -- The federal government says Ontario Premier Dalton McGuinty will have to go it alone if he wants to help General Motors of Canada Ltd. with the multibillion-dollar shortfall in its pension funds.

In its plan submitted last week, GM said unsustainable legacy costs - including its pension funds - are key stumbling blocks as it seeks to restructure to compete with Japanese rivals.

But federal Industry Minister Tony Clement is insisting that GM's pension problems are part of an ongoing provincial responsibility, and that federal help will be specifically targeted to the company's restructuring effort.

"We're interested in restructuring the company; we're not particularly interested in providing support to pay out pensions," said a senior federal official. The pension side of the equation is more Ontario-based. They have more at stake on it."

Under provincial legislation, the Ontario government has responsibility for ensuring the viability of GM's pension plan in Canada. Mr. McGuinty said yesterday the province is considering helping the company restructure the pension funds.

"I think it's something that we have to say we're prepared to consider," he told reporters. "How much of a give there would be on our part, I don't know at this point in time."

Mr. McGuinty did not acknowledge if he is worried about the political backlash from spending taxpayers' money to safeguard gold-plated auto worker pensions, especially at a time when retirement plans for many other employees have been hurt by the economic crisis. But Mr. Clement was quick last Friday to reject any federal help for the company's pension plan.

"We're not bailing out pension plans: Let me be crystal clear on that," Mr. Clement told a news conference. Both the federal and Ontario governments have insisted any financial aid would consist of repayable loans. But Mr. McGuinty acknowledged yesterday he does not know if this would also apply to any assistance for GM's pension funds.

The federal official said any loans made to GM would carry strict conditions. He acknowledged, however, GM must deal with its pension plan as part of its restructuring. GM warned last week that it needs agreements with the governments and the Canadian Auto Workers on reducing hourly labour costs by the end of March.

"We're optimistic of our ability to achieve that, but in the event we cannot achieve competitiveness, we need to re-evaluate our future strategy in Canada," said GM president Fritz Henderson.

The plan GM submitted to Ottawa and Ontario last week contained several references to crippling pension and health care liabilities that will grow this spring when it closes a pickup truck plant in Oshawa, Ont., and again in 2010 when a transmission factory in Windsor, Ont., is shuttered.

The solvency deficiency - or shortfall in the funds if the company were to fail - was $4.5-billion in November, 2007.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20090224.RAUTOS24//TPStory/National

[updated Tue Feb 24 07:59:18 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

24 Feb 07:59

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Again Don Martin alleging the PS will being playing political games and revenge on the Conservatives. This Liberal Biased hack has written this theory 3x.

http://www.calgaryherald.com/columnists/Stimulus+bucks+stall+bureaucracy/1323227/story.html

Stimulus bucks may stall in bureaucracy


By Don Martin, Calgary HeraldFebruary 24, 2009 3:01 AM
"Finance Minister Jim Flaherty showed up to plead for the budget's acceleration--and most MPs obliged by setting a pace that Rajotte hopes will have the budget back into the House of Commons next week, where it will be voted off to the Senate to complete the approval process.

But discouraging words are being heard inside the bureaucracy suggesting a cumbersome approval process put in place by Conservatives trying to thwart another loose-rules sponsorship scandal will choke off spending for many weeks at best, or more likely for a bunch of months.

As my Canwest News colleague Kathryn May noted in a weekend story, just getting the cabinet paperwork in order can footdrag approval for 10 weeks and then it can take another two months to limp before the Treasury Board, not to mention the lineup for a hands-on blessing by the Prime Minister's Office.

Insiders and big city mayors are confident Infrastructure Minister John Baird will find a way accelerate the stimulus package politically, but the bucks can stop inside the labyrinth of public servant offices.

One senior lobbyist with lofty departmental connections predicts the bureaucracy will exact revenge for Conservative salary and hospitality clampdowns by ensuring no major stimulus flows until the government is seriously wounded by the slow trickle of dollars.

That seems excessively machiavellian, but this is a pretty petty town so anything's possible."

[updated Tue Feb 24 08:08:36 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

24 Feb 08:08

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Michael C

Where are Harpers seats going to come from?

"Harper's popularity, by contrast, is deeply rooted in his conservative base but is quite weak outside of that base.

What that means is Ignatieff and his Liberals have lots of room to grow, while Harper and his Conservatives don't. And that growth is occurring." Harris Decima

He has nothing in left in Quebc and almost nothing in the Maritimes. He had roughly half the seats in Ontario against Dion (we know that's not going to recur).

Even if he wins every seat in the west, which he won't, he must now sustain the gains he made in Ontario aginst Dion just to eek out a slim minority due to losses in Quebec. The seats just aren't there. The majority is gone and the minority is quickly evaporating. He's going to lose and drag us down with him. The only honourable thing to do would be to resign. But we all know the only honourable thing about Harper is his title.

[updated Tue Feb 24 08:12:10 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

24 Feb 08:12

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Ronald, Westerner,

We may have different political party affiliations but the last week we have seen our PM talk about this wonderful country and the big reasons why we are united with our best friends.

I was quite happy in watching and listening to OBAMA agree with Harper on a similar environmental/trade agenda.

I would prefer both of them doing more and improving pollution and recycling efforts.

Where do you see these two countries in six months with more bad news in regards to delays from the opposition in each leader's countries?

How do you think it will play out in the public if the opposition parties delay the stimulus bills?

Risk vs Reward strategy?

Thanks for trying to add discourse and leave personal/character attacks to a minimum.

[updated Tue Feb 24 09:43:56 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

24 Feb 09:43

11 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

The Sponsorship Scandal, the gift that keeps giving. What will be fallout and why are the Bloc and opposition parties going to block the attempt of the government to reclaim the $ 35 million in over charges by the liberal friendly ad agency?

Any thoughts? What is the best strategy for Iggy the liberals on this latest story?
Bloc asks Ottawa to protect Globe reporter
GLORIA GALLOWAYFrom Tuesday's Globe and Mail February 23, 2009 at 10:44 PM EST
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090223.wpolygone24/BNStory/politics/?cid=al_gam_nletter_newsUp

[updated Tue Feb 24 11:38:12 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

24 Feb 11:38

17 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Ronald, Westerner regarding feeback on the Harper mission pushing the Canada agenda, how would you rate it so far on the international stage?

Here is a quote from Fox Newscast. I think is it great Canada is getting some "Positive Exposure". What do you think?

"Everything from his meeting with President Obama last week, to NAFTA to the “Buy American” clause in the stimulus to carbon emissions and the Canadian Sands to the banking system. Why has Canada’s banking system withstood the financial crisis while other countries banking systems like the U.S. are in such dire straits? In 2008, the World Economic Forum ranked Canada’s banking system the healthiest in the world. The U.S. was ranked 40th. Canada’s system has much stronger federal regulations and lower mandatory leverage ratios. Canada’s firms never engaged in subprime mortgage lending. For over a decade, Canada has posted budget surpluses; only in the last quarter did they enter into a recession. What is working? What lessons could we learn from them? Take a look. Prime Minister Harper is very impressive."

[updated Tue Feb 24 12:18:04 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

24 Feb 12:18

19 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Opinion BC (Suspended)

I suggest you all go to cbc.ca british columbia and comment on the Braidwood inquiry especially the testimony of this RCMP officer.

Fact 1: He seem to have little knowledge of the 9 principals of Policing

Fact 2 He received no updated training on the new rules of Policing from the RCMP at any Detachment, not even a Staff news letter

Fact 3 A Stapler was a threat, common on now you really expect us to believe this.

Opinion: A retired RCMP officer of some rank and a Instructor says this Police Force has become a collection of whimps and it all started when they hired women and visibable minors at a ht of 5'0"

My suggestion is fire all the trainers and recruitors at head office in Ottawa, Training updates every month no tasers use until you have worked with Senior Officer partner for 5 years. And we are paying 900 million for Security at the 2010 games.

[updated Tue Feb 24 19:04:00 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

24 Feb 19:04

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Opinion BC (Suspended)

To day in one of major newspapers re protect the journalist, regarding the Sponsorship Program, on suggestions to recover the 35 million owed to the government. My suggestion was that the Liberal Party and its members be held accountable for paying back the $35 million to the government, you created the problem and you will not get elected any time soon, are you listening Power Corporation and CanWest ( oh your now broke I see, was this by design) Is it time for the CRA audit on all Liberals members to get things going or what. Tell me your thoughts and suggestions Nik on the Number bloggers, where is Parnel when you need him!

[updated Tue Feb 24 20:22:47 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

24 Feb 20:22

18 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

What The Opposition Needs To Know About Stephen Harper.

As some commentators on this blog have suggested, while most of us are playing strategic checkers games, Stephen Harper is playing something else -- many believe the Prime Minister is playing chess. I will go one step further: the PM is playing advanced chess ( a game in which a grandmaster, or any player is combined with a computer versus another team of the same calibre).

That is precisely what Harper is doing. He is using his own theories and instincts and combining them with electoral metrics provided by computer data bases. Not too shabby, in my book.

Now let's apply this concept to the Prime Minister's political strategy: Harper is a strategic manipulator par excellence. He wants the Andrew Coynes, Gerry Nicholls and Tasha Kheiriddens of this world (I think Tom Flanagan is in on it with Harper) to jump up and down and rant in protest. The more the merrier. These conservative pawns are playing right into his hands, willingly or more than likely, unwittingly.

This is the first PM who via his finance minister, brought down a budget that not only does he not have any confidence in but to which he is himself opposed on an ideological basis. Talk about one for the history books.

Harper is gambling that with plenty of opposition on the right, it will reinforce his so-called moderate image (another well conceived and executed act of theatre on his part) and thus lead voters to conclude that he can't be that bad -- within the limits of the reasonable political mainstream.

Now comes the kicker -- the dénouement calls for the Prime Minister to eventually take his case to the electorate and hopefully, win a majority mandate.

That's when the true Stephen Harper will shine. Out will come the real conservative along with a devastatingly representative budget.

What a game plan. It remains to be seen whether Canadians will be gullible enough to fall for it.

[updated Wed Feb 25 10:54:18 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

25 Feb 10:54

22 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

A few weeks ago, I stated and listed why Iggy would be the 2nd leader who would not become the PM as a liberal.

I won't repeat the list here, but some of the proof regarding his honeymoon ending are now coming home to roost.

A Senior Liberal with the Ontario Government has published a scathing article regarding Iggy. Several papers have published it and now it will start rolling along the bloggers and tv media shortly.

The infamous Warren Kinsella who was brought back by Iggy is continuing to damage the party by his antics. He is being brought up in his attacks against TVO Steve Paiken in the HOC by the NDP,CPC, Bloc.

The NDP/Bloc are increasing their attacks on the Liberals and are painting them with responsiblity for passing the budget.

Harper will wear this, but so will Iggy (who clearly stated his job was to oppose and not propose)

The Liberals are trying to redefine themselves as a centrist party and are stuck as Dion was in propping up the CPC against the opposition.

[updated Wed Feb 25 12:44:50 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

25 Feb 12:44

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

BC Voter (Suspended for multiple aliases)

For are interesting look at what is going on www.captainsherlock.com it has canadian connections, look for movie

[updated Wed Feb 25 14:51:15 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

25 Feb 14:51

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

That Damned Loyalty Thing!

If you wonder why people go to Ottawa, there are a number of reasons: some go to make a difference and serve their country; others make it because they are political opportunists who have done a lot of bowing and scraping and have earned their just reward.

And then there is that other group -- those who believe in a party and often a leader -- those who are prepared to go to hell and back for a government. I get the feeling this group is the smallest minority. Someone committed to the leadership of a prime minister has to be like a willow tree: capable of swaying and bending during bad times without breaking.

So far I have never seen a government that has convinced me that I belong in the third category. Will Canadians provide me with an opportunity to reassess my view of the world in the not too distant future? I hope so.

I want to have a cause close to my heart again. I want to be proud of my party rather than constantly at odds with many of its positions or the direction in which the government intends to take our nation. I want to feel at home in Canada again. Should I give up on that dream or is there perhaps a light at the end of the tunnel? Voters -- I'm just asking.

[updated Wed Feb 25 16:16:09 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

25 Feb 16:16

28 replies so far. Join this conversation.

BC Voter (Suspended for multiple aliases)

The trouble with this site I cannot remember where I make a comment and want to read a response good or bad does not bother me. Why are their so many suspended people on this site. I thought we were a country of Free Speech and Free of Press or has this change since Chretien visited theThugs in Beijing. I hope the Superior Prime Minister Harper never goes there, Officially! Long Live the New Reform Party in BC, it will make Elizabeth May at the Green Party look like she lived in the 1800's to day!

[updated Wed Feb 25 19:06:24 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

25 Feb 19:06

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

Who's Up For My Thinking Out Of The Box Challenge?

Why is there an analogy between the 40 Billion dollar loss by La Caisse de dépôt et de placement du Québec and the Conservative Party's political strategy of incremental gains? What does the former prove about the flaws found in the latter?

[updated Wed Feb 25 21:00:51 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

25 Feb 21:00

22 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Moving forward (Parnel's 11th suspension)

It looks as though the Libs are going to start showcasing Justin Trudeau a she will present a private members bill on volunteerism.

another smart Iggy move as the name still resonates well

[updated Wed Feb 25 22:19:55 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

25 Feb 22:19

8 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Moving forward (Parnel's 11th suspension)

It appears that Iggy is going to confront the ghosts of Adscam head on thus daring the cons to bring it up................I like his style.

http://blog.macleans.ca/2009/02/25/look-who%E2%80%99s-back-in-the-party/

[updated Thu Feb 26 06:05:51 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

26 Feb 06:05

19 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

Not Another Numbskull...

I've always enjoyed reading and listening to political operatives and pundits who are at the top of their game. That's why I don't understand yesterday's episode in the House of Commons.

What was she trying to do? Does this mean that her colleague, the National Embarassment was out of town? Was she hoping to compete with him? Trust me, he's in a class all by himself. No one can possibly match him...

[updated Thu Feb 26 08:53:13 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

26 Feb 08:53

14 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

New Crop poll shows Liberals making big gains in Quebec it says this type of success often gets "mirrored" in Ontario. The fact that today the Conservatives and the NDP are repeatedly speaking of the old Sponsorhip Scandal leads one to believe they think this is true.

[updated Thu Feb 26 15:47:43 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

26 Feb 15:47

23 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

On winning the next election, the makings of a perfect storm.

Westerner, Ronald, MRM, what do you think about the recent headlines and how they are going to shape the upcoming campaign?

1) Crime and Saftey
2) Economic Hardship
3) Environment (Natural Resource)
4) Greater cooperation with the US

What party stands to gain the most and why from these "hot buttons" in the next campaign.

Am I missing any central themes?

[updated Thu Feb 26 18:42:27 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

26 Feb 18:42

12 replies so far. Join this conversation.

BC Voter (Suspended for multiple aliases)

Can anyone tell me, if the Liberals won the Election?

[updated Thu Feb 26 20:45:46 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

26 Feb 20:45

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Moving forward (Parnel's 11th suspension)

it looks as though Harper is really trying to have an open government....NOT

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090226.wPOLinformation0226/BNStory/politics/home
Government secrecy ‘grim,' watchdog says

OTTAWA — The federal Information Commissioner is warning that Canadians' ability to get information from their government has reached a dire state.

The Harper Conservatives now routinely delay requests for government documents – a right of Canadians under the law – well beyond the 30 days that the Access to Information Act requires.

[updated Thu Feb 26 21:29:50 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

26 Feb 21:29

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Moving forward (Parnel's 11th suspension)

Flaherty admits to his own Adscam before it even happens:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090225.wflahert0225/BNStory/politics/home

[updated Thu Feb 26 21:31:22 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

26 Feb 21:31

16 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Manitoban

In a 1997 interview, Stephen Harper made it clear that he had supported the NCC as an MP and at every stage in his political career.

The NCC was founded explicitly to oppose publicly funded, universal Medicare. In 1997, As NCC Vice-President, Harper said that Canada should scrap the Canada Health Act.

When Harper is asked if he will privatize healthcare, he always repeats a stock answer: " I will do nothing against the Canada Health Act." This is because he is going to scrap it before he privatizes it. For once he is actually telling the truth.

[updated Thu Feb 26 22:08:15 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

26 Feb 22:08

34 replies so far. Join this conversation.

MRM

As much as he would like to be Iggy is no Obama. In fact he more Bush that Barrack!

The anti-Ignatieff attack is more than it appears
Posted: February 25, 2009, 1:00 PM by Kelly McParland National Post
Full Comment, Stephen Taylor, Canadian politics

There was a bit of a buzz yesterday about an article published in the left-wing pages of the Guardian, a British newspaper, by Michael Stickings. However, most commentators missed a few important points about its significance. First though, here are some quotes from the piece,

“Why did Ignatieff do what he did? Because he has no interest right now in bringing down the government and thereby being compelled to share power. Because his political career has been about his own glorification, about his desire – for it seems to be the only reason he entered politics in the first place – to be prime minister. He may generously be called a chameleon, a shifty academic difficult to pin down, but perhaps more accurately he ought to be called an egotist who is sure of his own superiority and who seems to lack any real passion for the country he intends to lead.”

As the Toronto Star’s Haroon Siddiqui put it back in December, Ignatieff has been even more of a George Bush cheerleader than Harper:

As is well-known, Ignatieff supported the war in Iraq, a position he only semi-retreated from last year, in year four of the botched occupation. Even then, he argued that he had been wrong for the right reasons (saving the Kurds from Saddam Hussein), while opponents of the war may have been right for the wrong reasons (ideological opposition to Bush). He also supported the use of such harsh interrogation techniques on terrorism suspects as sleep deprivation and hooding, even while saying he opposed torture. He was also an advocate for American exceptionalism in defiance of international law.

“To me, though, he has never seemed to be much of a Canadian, and certainly not enough of one to be our prime minister. It’s not that he has spent so much of his life overseas – mostly in Britain and the US. It’s that he has seemed to aspire actively to be anything but Canadian, and more specifically to be American. Which is fine, in a cosmopolitan sort of way, but he comes back to Canada with an air of condescension about him, as if he has seen the world and conquered it and has now decided, with the coaxing of a party eager for him to lead it back to the promised land, to sully himself in the world of politics supposedly on our behalf but really because he just wants to be prime minister, so great would it look on his resumé, a capstone to a long and successful career.”

So who is Michael Stickings? Some have pointed out that he’s a Liberal-minded fellow who writes a blog. But let’s dig a bit deeper. Michael Stickings isn’t just some grassroots Liberal-minded blogger, he’s a senior policy adviser in Dalton McGuinty’s public service! Stickings is listed as a senior member of the Ontario government’s “Strategy and Results Branch” of which reports to the Deputy Minister of Intergovernmental Affairs. Stickings, now a senior public service staffer in McGuinty’s government, supported Bob Rae for the latest round of the Liberal leadership,

“I supported former Ontario Premier Bob Rae for the leadership, but Rae pulled out of the race late last year”

What we’re seeing here is an explicit shot across the bow and not one by just some Liberal-minded blogger against the federal Liberal leader, this is much more. A senior policy adviser to Dalton McGuinty’s Ontario public service and admitted Bob Rae booster wrote this about the Liberal who will run to be Prime Minister in the next election, To me, though, he has never seemed to be much of a Canadian, and certainly not enough of one to be our prime minister. It’s not that he has spent so much of his life overseas – mostly in Britain and the US. It’s that he has seemed to aspire actively to be anything but Canadian, and more specifically to be American. This isn’t just some wannabe Liberal hack. This shows that there are some serious questions about Ignatieff among well-placed Liberal supporters.

[updated Thu Feb 26 23:14:33 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

26 Feb 23:14

11 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper's dirty tricks won't work this time. If he goes negative there will be a backlash. Allan Greg says that his polling shows this very strongly across Canada. Even though it worked before, he says it won't work now. (Greg cannot be dismissed as inacccurate or a liberal by any measure, he's a Tory and everyone knows it)

Harper is done, because that's his one trick pony show. Nasty nasty, nothing else.

Ignatieff is playing nice, because he sees the polls too. (Andrew Coyne, a conservative, says Ignatieff is doing very well) That is why he continues to rise in the polls, and the conservatives are goiong nuts, because they can't do anything about their dropping poll numbers.

Harper almost lost it yesterday with his taunts. Keep it up Steve, your helping the liberals.

[updated Fri Feb 27 09:12:12 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

27 Feb 09:12

35 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

Minority Prime Ministers.

We have had minority prime ministers in Canada who have accomplished a greal deal. The first that comes to mind is Lester B. Pearson, winner of the Nobel Peace prize.

But I want to focus on a much more narrow interpretation of a minority prime minister: in the strictest political sense, in the ability to control parliament and move one's political agenda ahead with the greatest prospect for legislative success, to be a minority PM is a tacit admission of leadership failure.

A true political winner goes out there and moves mountains. That prime minister brings the country willingly and enthusiastically along for the ride. That PM has a vision for Canada and takes us there -- no questions asked.

I'm still waiting. But at least, now I have hope for a better tomorrow.

[updated Fri Feb 27 09:59:06 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

27 Feb 09:59

11 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

"Harper and MacKay are a farce" Says Russia. US says it was not a threat. Yay, Harper, embarrass us again internationally with your infantile games. The world is laughing at his fake performance.

[updated Fri Feb 27 21:09:00 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

27 Feb 21:09

21 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Momentum can be misunderstood, do you think Jane Taber and her liberal friends are confusing the "rock star" OBAMA with the recent improvements of a post Dion leader?

I am on the record for Iggy in being in support of the majority of the CPC policies, his difficulty with keeping his party two camps disciplined/united for a considerable length of time. I did not imagine the first vote would be failure in his leadership whip's ability to keep his caucus united.

So much for the Iggy ommission about Canadians needing another election like "hole in the head" - If the Liberals are (can be painted) seen as repsonsible for causing this next one, will they pay at the polls or be rewarded in blaming Harper for not spending fast enough or it working?

I get a overwhelming sense Canadians want money spent to help those Canadians affected, the polls are looking for the parties to deal with the crisis in a cooperative manner.

Now we have the opposition clearly divided wtih the Liberals stuck supporting the CPC budget and agreeing to "fast track" some measures how will this play in the next general election or the left leaning liberals who are tired or defending the Harper gov't?

Ronald, MRM, Western, Posters created more than a WEEK ago,

If we are to believe the current campaign has been on since the November Economic Update how would your rate the efforts by the parties so far?

Can you explain what common pitfalls are not being avoided and what are the 1-2 best opportunites for your party to criticize their opponents?

Some liberal biased (Jane Taber) reporters are now alleging that Iggy may want to pull the plug after the convention using momentum (citing the economy as the public reason). Iggy has promised large labour he would not support another budget vote.

The CPC appear to be losing patience with the delaying tactics of the opposition parties in regards to the budget. They are now threatening a confidence matter on a $ 3 Billion Infrastructure amount to demostrate their point in the HOC.

Given that all the other 3 party leaders have tremendous 'campaign' experience what are the chances Iggy's ability to no answer questions in an intelligble manner for the non harvard graduate perpspective or will we require a translator to explain his comments? How will play during those comments "sound bites" resonate in the news?

[updated Sat Feb 28 08:53:23 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

28 Feb 08:53

5 replies so far. Join this conversation.

moving ahead (parnel's 12th suspension)

It will be interesting to see follow up national polls after the recent crop poll in Quebec showing Iggy pulling away from the field.

The Liberals are working towards a majority and Iggy has put a real sense of urgency into the party's machinery. He is now officially acclaimed leader as the deadline was midnight last night for any other candidates to file their applications and none did.

[updated Sat Feb 28 10:08:25 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

28 Feb 10:08

8 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

Watching Peter Lougheed on Mansbridge One On One on Newsworld. It is really worth a watch. Lougheed has still got it. Catch it on internet, if you can.

[updated Sat Feb 28 14:42:45 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

28 Feb 14:42

9 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

Hey Guys, How About A Heads Up!

First the bouquet -- then the brick: I for one have been mightily impressed at the command that Peter MacKay has of his portfolio, until now. The man knows his department and his briefs. But seriously, how could he ask the Russians repeatedly to give us "advance notice" prior to Bear bomber incursions into international airspace that this country "monitors"? Come on, get real. Talk about counter-intuitive.

This cat and mouse game has been going on for decades. Quite obviously, the object of the exercise is to test the adversary's defenses. You want to see how long it takes NORAD to scramble and whether their response times are improving.

I can't believe MacKay made public his repeated requests. I hope no one in the Kremlin died laughing.

[updated Sat Feb 28 16:30:55 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

28 Feb 16:30

17 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Wow, it must be really bad for the conservatives. No one here can counter the negative facts and Harper is embarassing himself internationally. He must be throwing a lot of office furniture these days.

[updated Sat Feb 28 22:22:03 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

28 Feb 22:22

11 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

I Apologize.

I want to post an apology here to say that I deeply regret my recent statements about notice requests which Defence Minister Peter MacKay made to Russian officials in connection with Russian bomber overflights through international airspace which Canada monitors.

Quite obviously I was totally incorrect on that specific point. Again, I want to apologize to Mr. MacKay without reservations. I will try to be more accurate in the future.

[updated Sun Mar 01 11:51:25 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

01 Mar 11:51

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

BC Voter (Suspended for multiple aliases)

Yes, part of it Ronald it starts off, really attacking the Federal Reserve in the USA for creating money out of thin air and giving it to the banks. For those that do not this the Modern Money Mechanics written by the USA, Zeitgeist:Addenum

www.zeitgeistmovie.com about two hours long! Very interesting if want to understand about money and that Politicians can never solve our problems,

[updated Sun Mar 01 14:50:01 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

01 Mar 14:50

9 replies so far. Join this conversation.

moving ahead (parnel's 12th suspension)

Looks as though Iggy is making points in Harper's back yard:

Credit where it's due
Calgary HeraldMarch 1, 2009Comments (2)
Michael Ignatieff has miles to go for support in Alberta to go his way but, by defending the oilsands, the federal Liberal leader has taken his first steps.

Ignatieff has positioned himself as a staunch supporter of the industry so many Canadians love to hate.

"This is a huge industry. It employs Canadians from coast to coast," he said in reference to a National Geographic article about Alberta's oilsands.

The 20-page spread is the most recent in a series of bad publicity that paints the industry as an environmental catastrophe.

It's refreshing to hear a federal opposition leader use his position responsibly.

Instead of scoring easy political points, Ignatieff has risen above cheap criticism and consistently reminded the rest of Canada how it benefits from Alberta's resource revenues.

Royalties and taxes pump millions of dollars into local economies, they build schools and hospitals, and they feed families, keeping houses running smoothly in Newfound-land and elsewhere.

Ignatieff is delivering the right message across Canada, even in Montreal, where he spoke with business students in January.

It is unwise to bite the hand that feeds, or in this case, the industry that feeds hundreds of thousands of people across Canada.

This is a refreshing change from previous Liberal -- including provincial Liberal -- policy that suggested the feds should heavily tax the oilsands and focus on alternative sources of fuel.

Finally, a Liberal leader who gets it.

[updated Sun Mar 01 20:25:47 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

01 Mar 20:25

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

CBSA And Truckers.

Here we go again: the Canadian Press is reporting that nuclear, military and other sensitive materials are being exported to the U.S. without mandatory inspections by Canada Border Services Agency.

Don't you just love those truckers...whether they are returning to Canada with imports or leaving for the U.S., they deliberately go out of their way to cross the border during non-office hours. Sometimes this affects Customs, but most of the time customs brokers (those that do not have border offices) - a broker handles imports or exports for private companies either based in Canada, the U.S. or elsewhere. They are the intermediary between CBSA or CBP (U.S. Customs and Border Protection) and the importer or exporter. Sometimes brokers deal with both governments on the same shipment.

Personally, I'm glad to see CBSA moving in the direction of mandatory electronic (computer generated) E-15A forms for goods destined for export to any country, including the United States. I would suggest a 72 hour window to permit inspections by CBSA prior to arrival at U.S. Customs ports. (A border point is a Customs port in the internal jargon.)

On the import side, all shipments must be cleared by computer and are transmitted to Customs prior to arrival at the border. Inland clearances are also possible in warehouses. Again, both are electronic except for a few narrow exceptions. Other government departments are also moving to an electronic platform with CFIA (Canadian Food Inspection Agency) planning to be all electronic soon.

Here are some measures that could increase security:

-force all small parcel cargo companies to go electronic as far as imports are concerned: brokers download their customers' shipments and then clear them with Customs on computer. (UPS is on line since 2 years; DHL since a few months; FedEx starts at the end of March; FedEx Ground is working on it etc.)

- institute a mandatory electronic customs manifest for all carriers in Canada. Many truckers already have that but it is not yet entirely mandatory for all types of freight imports into Canada.

- institute a mandatory Customs bond for all importers (like in the U.S.) thereby ensuring that the Government of Canada gets its duties and taxes even under situations where the importer has made a proposal to avoid bankruptcy or has gone bankrupt. Right now, the Bankruptcy and Insolvency Act shafts all brokers who paid GST or less increasingly, Duty and other taxes on behalf of clients who then get into financial trouble. (Brokers are the only businesses in Canada who remit GST but lose it if they have not been paid by the importer.) They can put some clients on Direct GST payment but they can't do that for all their clients for obvious business reasons. (That is why UPS is before the Supreme Court of Canada on a related matter.) But I digress.

- And again to sound like a broken record, get those students out of primary inspection stations at the border. Give them clerical work to do inside Customs offices, allow them to answer phones, whatever, but keep them clear from the first line of border defense. (I'm sure the Customs union will love it but who cares.)

[updated Sun Mar 01 20:29:48 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

01 Mar 20:29

6 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

A Frustrated Prime Minister.

So nice to see John Baird on Question Period. I missed him. Hell, I would like to see him out front for this government as much as possible.

Baird says the PM is frustrated over opposition party obstruction of the Budget Implementation Act. He also says that the Prime Minister was not serious about going to an election.

For once I believe Baird: the CPC blew two golden opportunities to sink the opposition in an election - the first in May 2007 and of course, last December. The PM has revealed himself to be gun shy three times. Everyone knows he's bluffing, with that track record.

Am I willing to risk it? Damned right I am.

[updated Sun Mar 01 20:46:07 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

01 Mar 20:46

7 replies so far. Join this conversation.

moving ahead (parnel's 12th suspension)

Here's a damning article on Harper's secrecy..some public figure he is:
From the TO Star:

"Three years ago, Stephen Harper sold himself to Canadians as a champion of federal transparency as he campaigned for the prime minister's job. He promised to "lift up the veils of secrecy" in Ottawa and to foster a "culture of accountability." After all, people have a right to know what their government is up to. But that was then.

In a scathing report this week, federal Information Commissioner Robert Marleau reminded Canadians of how far short Harper has fallen from honouring his veil-lifting pledge. Marleau slammed the Conservatives' "stranglehold" on federal communications. He condemned Ottawa's "risk-averse, disclosure-averse" atmosphere. And he hammered the Tories for a "tendency to withhold information."

Canada faces "a major information-management crisis," he warned. Access to information staff are overworked, resources are thin and processes are inefficient.

And the problem begins at the top, Marleau noted."

[updated Sun Mar 01 20:52:03 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

01 Mar 20:52

4 replies so far. Join this conversation.

BC Voter (Suspended for multiple aliases)

The next Prime Minister must come from British Columbia born and bread that is the bottomline period. End of Story.

[updated Sun Mar 01 21:31:15 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

01 Mar 21:31

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

I'm In Heaven!

Can't believe the Conservatives are that dense...incroyable mais vrai, as one might say in French. The war room boys and girls have been given the go-ahead to prepare attack ads against Michael Ignatieff.

Talk about stupid. They couldn't read a changing political environment if it slapped them in the face. So much for the prime ministerial facade of cooperation in Parliament. Harper has signed off on this one without realizing that the public will not stand for it -- this time.

People will rapidly recognize it for what it is -- more of the same excuses from a government that cannot come up with a single reason for re-electing it -- all they can do is do what they have always done best - try and kill the opposition messenger.

They don't want voters to be FOR Stephen Harper and the CPC. They want us to be AGAINST Michael Ignatieff and the LPC.

Watch the public anger build in the coming days and weeks. Also watch for a Conservative back down when the heat starts to get too strong for them. Back down or no, they are digging their political grave. Too bad none of them are sophisticated enough to realize it.

[updated Sun Mar 01 21:42:12 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

01 Mar 21:42

32 replies so far. Join this conversation.

BC Voter (Suspended for multiple aliases)

Why is it the Liberals cannot accept the fact they are no longer in Power, You do not have the god given right to have this Power Liberals. You simply cannot manage government you just do what these incompetant Civil Servants tell you what to do and same for the Banks.

[updated Sun Mar 01 22:29:47 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

01 Mar 22:29

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper has accused those who wanted to pull out of Afganistan, because it was unwinable, as "Having a passion for the taliban and not supporting our troops." He now says Afganistan is unwinable and we should pull out by 2011.

Does this mean he was wrong to make that statement or does he now consider himself to have "a passion for the Taliban and not support the troops? Curious to know which one it is.

[updated Sun Mar 01 22:30:18 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

01 Mar 22:30

18 replies so far. Join this conversation.

BC Voter (Suspended for multiple aliases)

We have now found who the real trouble maker on this website is, it is Larry the Liberal and why some many people have been suspended, Larry the Liberal keeps complaining to Nik, just what Liberals are good at whinning all the time, Time have this Party abolished for the good of all of Canada the 416 Regional Party at best!

[updated Sun Mar 01 23:37:34 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

01 Mar 23:37

12 replies so far. Join this conversation.

BC Voter (Suspended for multiple aliases)

Confirmation: Not Voting Liberal In Next Election When Ever That Is!

[updated Mon Mar 02 01:34:39 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

02 Mar 01:34

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

I just listened to Jim Prentice again this morning on CBC news. What a refreshing change from the nasty negatives Harper, Baird, Polievre etc.

He has class and is very mature in his presentation and is very knowledgable. No BS, and no forked tongue. A very welcome relief. While I did not agree with all of his points (I don't agree with any politician 100%), not once did he make a negative remark, nor did he misstate his case for political gain. Wow, so different from the rabble.

He's the type of politician that could convince me to vote for him as PM no matter what party or riding he is from. Dream on? Maybe. Perhaps one day.

[updated Mon Mar 02 09:08:59 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

02 Mar 09:08

12 replies so far. Join this conversation.

westerner (suspended)

Very interesting article today (March 2) in the Globe and Mail titled "Ignatieff comes a-courtin' " Must reading for all Liberals!

[updated Mon Mar 02 10:12:17 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

02 Mar 10:12

8 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

Filling The Conservative "Vacuum".

I'm confused. Isn't Stephen Harper the "Canadian" Barack Obama? At least that's how Conservatives tell the story. Up until now they have been so self-satisfied with themselves proclaiming that they are Barrack North while Ignatieff is "Obama-lite", in their words.

Too bad the Wall Street Journal won't get with the program. This revealing quote says it all:

"...There is a vacuum in Conservative leadership in North America and on the world stage, and Mr. Harper is stepping into it." He sure is. Funny how one party can be all things to all people -- Conservative when addressing CPC party members but allegedly moderate and mainstream when trying to sell itself to the Canadian people.

That's what I like about Senator Irving Gerstein -- the guy always tells it like it is, not like Harper hopes we will think it is.

[updated Mon Mar 02 18:47:04 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

02 Mar 18:47

7 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

Slowly Slipping Away.

Can't you feel it? Government MPs wound up tighter than a drum - shuffling off to their appointments with a pained look of agitation on their faces. Some are short tempered, others fighting bouts of insomnia.

A sense of dread is in the air - three years and counting with the thread seemingly slipping through their fingers. Back pedaling and question evasion are now the order of the day. Frantic attempts at regrouping to at least hold the line.

Too little, too late. The dawn of a new day will soon be upon us. Pray and hope. That is about all they have left.

[updated Mon Mar 02 22:59:57 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

02 Mar 22:59

15 replies so far. Join this conversation.

syl (suspended)

Here's another piece that details the big lie Harper is trying to sell the Americans on oil sands GHG issues. Carbon capture is a zero sum game that will cost us billions in wasted efforts and even his usually sober minister Prentice appears to be caught in that downdraft. The fact Harper despises the environmental portfolio because it doesn't fit his populist and decentralization model is even more telling here.

http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/594953

Canada, however, is playing that card. It's gambling that technology will make sure the house wins.

But here's the rub: Prime Minister Stephen Harper is delusional if he believes that capturing carbon dioxide from coal plants and oil-sands operations and storing it underground is going to have a material impact on reducing greenhouse-gases over the next decade, let alone the next two decades.

Not because the technology doesn't work or isn't safe, which is still up for debate, but because it's too expensive and risky to deploy on the scale that's required.

The thing is, Harper isn't really delusional. He's just greenwashing, which according to Wikipedia occurs when "significantly more money or time has been spent advertising being green."

Harper will know, if the economist in him has done his homework, that there are no real incentives for oil and gas companies to pay for the deployment of carbon capture and storage (CCS) systems. Sure, putting a price on carbon might nudge them to dabble, but large-scale deployment won't happen if the price on carbon isn't high enough.

And there's a strong chance it won't be, at least not before 2020. New York-based New Energy Finance, a consultancy that specializes in carbon pricing, says reduced economic activity over the past year has already led to a significant decrease in U.S. emissions as fossil fuel and electricity use falls.

[updated Tue Mar 03 05:58:33 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

03 Mar 05:58

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

syl (suspended)

Her's another piece to show why Harper is the wrong guy at the wrong time and the wrong place. Canada like the US has become decidedly more Liberal and left leaning. With Harper being totally offside his political style can do nothing good for Canada. I belive we are in a period of seminal change and conservatism as we know it won't survive the onslaught. the Reform party platform that Harper tries to deliver is now a very minor player in the big picture of western democracies and in particular the NA continent.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090302.wcomartin03/BNStory/specialComment

"Writing in the Post, one of the editors lamented on the weekend that "Conservatism, as we know it, is dead." Many starboard voices south of the border offer similar sentiments. In their dire thoughts, they forget about the cycles, how the teeter-totter of time is likely to relieve them of their perceived perdition.

Down cycles aren't necessarily doom cycles, but what is worrisome for Conservatives is the assault on their catechism that this great recession has occasioned. Tory declines under Kim Campbell, John Diefenbaker and others were driven by leadership woes and party disunity. Under Stephen Harper, it is not that, but rather the apparent undermining of party precepts. The last time, in the 1930s, that conservative economics were so repudiated, there followed nearly 22 consecutive years of Liberal rule in Canada and 20 uninterrupted years of Democratic power in Washington."

[updated Tue Mar 03 06:19:11 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

03 Mar 06:19

6 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

More damage control for Iggy and the Liberals. How will Iggy explain this to his NFLD liberal wing? A Liberal Senator is sticking it to Canadians who work and earn an income from the commercial seal hunt.

"A Canadian senator wants to put an end to the commercial seal hunt. Mac Harb, who represents the Ottawa area, will introduce a bill in the Senate today which would end the hunt."-Tom Henderson 03/03/09

[updated Tue Mar 03 08:28:16 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

03 Mar 08:28

49 replies so far. Join this conversation.

larryl

Harper is threatening another election. 8 months ago the P.M. broke his own fixed date election law because the opposition would not let him pass his agenda without seeing it first. Now he wants a $3 billion slush fund to spend on CPC ridings with no accountability ahead of time. Do we want to allow more bailouts that will accomplish nothing until the global economy is repaired . We are an exporting nation and throwing money out the window will not help our exports. We must call Harper on this blackmail of the Canadian public. Let's go back to the polls and get rid of him for the good of the country.

[updated Tue Mar 03 17:48:13 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

03 Mar 17:48

24 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Westman

Accountablity, Harper style:

One of Harper's Ministers is now being subpoenaed to see what his role was in the bribery of an Ottawa Mayoral candidate. Not to mention, we have yet to hear a ruling as to whether the Conservative Party stole the 2006 election by illegally funding target ridings in the "In-and-out" scandal.

Feb 28, 2009 04:30 AM
Comments on this story (39)
James Travers Toronto Star

"Stephen Harper says he's ready to fight an election over a Conservative slush fund."

[updated Tue Mar 03 20:15:58 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

03 Mar 20:15

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

centralizer (suspended)

It would appear that Harper is playing defense to Iggy's offense and appears to be in a desperate attempt to make the playoffs but can't get out of his own zone.

The language today from iggy was brilliant and has probably left Harper befuddled as he was actually told to be accountabile to the people, with the leader of the opposition and effectively the majority of MP's in the house.

I think Iggy is now playing with Harper like a toy.

[updated Tue Mar 03 21:52:37 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

03 Mar 21:52

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Albertavoter

Stephen Harper is making the case that while his government has been dealing with the economic crisis, the opposition parties have been scheming to seize power.

Quite the reverse is the case: while the Harper government should have been mapping out a plan to cope with the onset of recession, its members have been busy sticking pins in the opposition parties as well as in that perennial object of right-wing fury, the civil service. Now they are spending their energy on attack ads.

In truth, the members of the Harper government are economic incompetents. They can't keep their eye on the economic ball. What a disaster.

[updated Tue Mar 03 22:49:39 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

03 Mar 22:49

4 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Next campaign why the Liberals are running scared.

No money, between $ 2-6 million in debt.
Their unelected leader is untested and fails to connect outside the chattering class in "elititsts" circles.

Liberals can't attack George Bush anymore, Iggy was his cheerleader!

Liberals have ZERO credibility on the environment or the economy. Iggy the father of the Carbon Tax has shafted the Green Shift trying to win "rural votes". The party has failed to win any support in rural Canada. His uncle's farm in the only safe liberal kitchen table. They are hoping to have Harper wear the global recession. They are now delaying relief and reading newspaper clippings asking Harper to apologize for the unemployment and GDP figures.

Iggy is now a cheerleader for the Oilsands! I am sure Canadians are buying into that sales pitch. I heard he will be writing a book on how his uncle uses the "dirty oil" to drive that tractor. Iggy reminds me of the Donkey in Shrek, Pick me!
Liberals acknowledge they WONT win a single seat out west but the political subsisdy is very important to help pay for their debts. That $ 1.95 is important.

Desperation is running rampants as many liberals are realizing the next campaign will thin the herd further. The liberal apologists on this board are "citing" the GREAT polls regarding Quebec as proof positive how they will win the next election.

Oh Happy Days! -Broadbent singing on parliament Hill during the coalition power grab rings in my mind.

Since the Liberals won't keep their unelected Senators from bashing the commercial NFLD seal hunt, Bill C 10, immigration it is time to remind them OCT 2008 was not a blip. It is a trend on the demise of the party that has failed to provide any sensibilities or rebuild.

[updated Wed Mar 04 07:41:31 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

04 Mar 07:41

6 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

The Harper government's mismanagement and BS grows by the day.

Flaherty said: "The Liberal opposition members said they were going to support it [the budget]. The budget implementation bill is still in the House today on March 3. Not one penny of stimulus has gone out to the Canadians who need the help."

The finance minister, of all people, knows full well that spending fiscal stimulus before April 1 is illegal.

His prorogue of parliment didn't hold up stimulus at all didi it? He is not telling the truht here and trying to cover up his mismanagement.

When Flaherty says Ontario is the last place to invest, when he lurches from claims of balanced budgets in November, which nobody believed, to $84 billion in deficits two months later, how can he possibly instill Canadians with a much needed sense of confidence at this moment of economic crisis?

Disaster of a government

[updated Wed Mar 04 09:04:44 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

04 Mar 09:04

35 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Time4Change

When Flaherty says Ontario is the last place to invest, when he lurches from claims of balanced budgets in November, which nobody believed, to $84 billion in deficits two months later, how can he possibly instill Canadians with a much needed sense of confidence at this moment of economic crisis?

When the Conservatives are defeated, Harper will have himself and his foolish hardball tactics to blame.

[updated Wed Mar 04 09:27:05 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

04 Mar 09:27

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Renewal

A report forecasting a $13-billion deficit next year – even before the Harper government’s plans to include billions in economic stimulus measures in the budget – reinforces the fiscal mismanagement of the Conservatives

Stephen Harper consistently told Canadians they would have a surplus as late as the November 27th economic update,. And yet our starting point going into this recession is a $13-billion deficit. This government was headed into the red but was not upfront with Canadians.

I look forward to an election, so I can turf these dishonest guys out once and for all.

[updated Wed Mar 04 10:45:08 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

04 Mar 10:45

5 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Elizabeth

Harper broke the law.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper and Justice Minister Rob Nicholson proclaimed that Bill C-16 spelled the end of election manipulation for the governing party's partisan benefit. In Harper's own words: "Fixed election dates prevent governments from calling snap elections for short-term political advantage. They level the playing field for all parties and the rules are clear for everybody."

Clearly, the Prime Minister's convictions have changed. Apparently, election manipulation is now OK again in Harper's books.

Don't do as I do, do as I say!

Wow, that's Strong Leadership.

[updated Wed Mar 04 13:22:44 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

04 Mar 13:22

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Raphael

Remember Rae geting taunted by Harper for trying to spend his way out of the early 90's recession? Wow, 15 years later and Harper is now copying the Ontario NDP government policy.

Harper is eating his vitriol all over the place these days.

[updated Wed Mar 04 13:54:30 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

04 Mar 13:54

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

GloriaB

I place the blame for the initial $18 billion deficit squarely onto Mr Harper's shoulders. Two straight years of bad tax and spending policies have destroyed the monetary cushion we Canadians had that we could've used on to weather out the economic storm.

If Harper's trying to divorce himself from the coming deficit, I ain't gonna allow it. Harper, the $18 billion deficit is your fault. It ain't because of the recession. It's your policies that had landed us all in this position. Harper, the deficit is your fault. Let me repeat, Harper's deficit. Harper's fault.

[updated Wed Mar 04 14:52:15 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

04 Mar 14:52

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Liberals are imploding and will back down unfortunately. Another lesson in humility for the new leader, Dion must be laughing. The Gaffes keep coming!

Liberal Senator musing how the liberals will lose control again of the regional MP's and create a BLOC regional voting parrty.

Great job on Iggy with his "symbolic vote" and one time pass.

Another liberal who will fail to become a PM.

[updated Wed Mar 04 18:56:15 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

04 Mar 18:56

5 replies so far. Join this conversation.

ArthurBC

The End of Canadian Conservatism: How Harper sold out to save himself

Andrew Coyne, MacLean's Magazine

Say what you like about the Tories: they don’t do things by halves. When they spend, they spend. When they go into debt, they do it $100 billion at a time. And when they decide to finish off what remains of conservatism in Canada—as a movement, as a philosophy—they go out with a bang.

Two points are worth noting about this latest explosion in what was already a supernova of spending. One is the sheer aimlessness of it. Supposedly the government’s dilemma was how to balance short-term “stimulus” with the need to improve the economy’s productive capacity in the long run—a contradiction to begin with, since the kind of spending that can be shovelled out the door in time to claim credit for the recovery is unlikely to be subject to especially searching scrutiny, such as would ensure these funds were put to their highest and best use. But the laundry list of spending in this budget shows scant evidence of any thinking at all.

I'm not voting for this sell-out.

[updated Wed Mar 04 19:53:10 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

04 Mar 19:53

4 replies so far. Join this conversation.

JoanG

Today, Harper government proven wrong by Federal Court. The court says the Harper government must stop ignoring death row pleas from Canadians in the US.

[updated Wed Mar 04 20:00:52 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

04 Mar 20:00

8 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

"Those that fail to learn from history, are doomed to repeat it." - Winston Churchill

Party Scorecard from 40th General Election (14-Oct-08)

The Liberals lost 26 seats.

Liberals suffered the worst defeat in 100 years, capturing only 26% of the popular vote . A total of 3,633,185 voted for them and the loss of (-846,230) voters meant a serious blow in voter subsidy.

Some on this board are blaming the previous leader and his policy called Green Shift for this defeat. Some are even suggesting negative attack ads were responsible.

If we go back after the stunning victory with Chretien beating the split right in Ontario capturing 99/100, the liberal fortune has trended in one direction.

This is not a single POLL or a few polls. The facts and analysis are very clear since that victory liberal fortunes and support has been in a steady decline.

Flash forward to today.

CPC are preparing again to launch negative ads and the Liberals are not financially prepared to refute them.

In the ads used against Dion, the CPC were successful in using previous Liberals (Iggy) reminding Canadians he did not get the job done. (Some of us realize that was not an attack but fair comment).

Who will the CPC use in suggesting Iggy like Dion will not be a successful leader? Bob Rae, Dion. We have many Liberals on the record who have openly criticized Iggy in 2006. We have Bob Rae who publicly spoke against the Liberals not having a democratic leadership race in 2009.

[updated Wed Mar 04 21:13:09 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

04 Mar 21:13

7 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

Stephen Harper Tries To Turn The Tables On Newfoundland And Labrador.

I really admire Kory. He is a good little soldier. He knows how to efficiently distribute photocopies. Yes, yes, it's true -- the best defense is indeed a good offense. By all means, take another stab at killing the messenger rather than addressing the problem.

I guess respecting one's word is somehow passé in Ottawa. Now lets cut through the BS and get straight to the facts:

Newfoundland and Labrador is being shortchanged by 1.7 billion by the Harper government. It has absolutely nothing to do with the fact that this Prime Minister lives and breathes to stick it to Premier Danny Williams. (That's what you get when personalities -- not to mention egos are far too similar...)

Liberal Senator George Baker says a Bloc NL and L is around the corner. Boy, am I ever shocked. Stick a white-hot poker up my backdoor and I might be a tad pissed off over it as well. Funny, can't understand how the youth aren't clamoring to join the party that defends Canada in Ottawa!

Nice work Harper. That's just what we need: another separatist party thanks to your good self and your gentle touch on national unity.

But the Conservatives respond -- quick, change the channel -- kick Baker out of caucus. Distract the public from Conservative bungling -- what's coming next? Is George Baker about to be added to the list of traitors???

Wow. Good idea! I'd like to have company.

[updated Wed Mar 04 21:49:02 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

04 Mar 21:49

22 replies so far. Join this conversation.

centralizer (suspended)

Iggy imposes further discipline on caucus:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090304.wliberals5/BNStory/politics/home
.............................................................................................................................

"Mr. Ignatieff has overhauled the party's central office since becoming leader, bringing in new fundraising specialists. Party members are also becoming increasingly bullish about the Liberals' fundraising prospects under Mr. Ignatieff. Last Friday, the party raked in $80,000 from a leader's dinner in Edmonton"
...............................................................................

He also brought in over $50K at the QC DO last week and it appears from comments his people are making that he has enough money to counter any dirty Harper ads.
The party will report well over $800K per month at the next period.

[updated Wed Mar 04 23:05:33 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

04 Mar 23:05

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

'Canadian' (multiple alias - suspended)

That's it! I've had it with Harper. He's willing to bust up this country so he can keep his job. He is a one man horror show. Bring on the election and lets get rid of him, before he wrecks the country.

[updated Wed Mar 04 23:14:27 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

04 Mar 23:14

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Canadian.(multiple alias - suspended)

How many people on here are paid party hacks for the Cons? It seems like quite a few based on the comments.. I love people who just trust Harper to blindly spend billions of dollars while attacking Iggy over how it'll be spent.

It's a scary time! Recession! Great Depression 2! don't ask questions! don't hold the gov't accountable! Just smile and nod and billions flow out the door.

You people are unbelievable.. Canada does not want PM Harper, he has a very short leash and if he trys to pull on it too much then it's election time. Let's get this embarassment out of office once and for all.

[updated Wed Mar 04 23:37:34 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

04 Mar 23:37

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

.Canadian (multiple alias - suspended)

CPC disarray and paranoia is running wild. Harper is tense and so is his caucus. Everything they attempt backfires on them and they continue to slip in the polls.

[updated Thu Mar 05 01:16:57 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

05 Mar 01:16

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Jane Taber writes another wonderful puff piece highlight how wonderful things are going in the LPT and providing cover for Iggy keeping his "loyal" MP's busy.

One source said the number of Liberal-held ridings with 400 or more members can be measured in the dozens. WOW that is really BAD NEWS!!! only dozens of ridings have any grassroots LEFT. Makes sense why the LPT are grasping at straws to remain relevant.

They raised $ 80k in edmonton! Great news. Bad news for MP's now!

New Rules
If Liberal MP's fail to reach their sales target of 400 regular donors Iggy threatens not to sign their riding papers and will allow a riding nomination/wars to begin.

In his defence Iggy WAS correct in trying to deal with the "ROT" in the remaining 77 liberal seats. Many Libs MP's have failed to keep their donor list current and we both know how much DEBT is crushing and hampering the party in its ability to hire, research, and run ads on how wonderful the party is lately

The LPT is in financial difficulty and can not replace the Dion people let go, they could only buy a Billboard for a few grand after OBAMA came for a visit.

When the attack ads come from the opposition in greater force and THEY will come, the liberal will again be unable to explain or challenge those ads with TV spots.

This move by Iggy should boost his support with those MP's who have too much time on their hands leaking reports, and drawing knives.

400 donors@ $ 10p/mth x 12 mths will net =$369,600.00 for the LPT. Great News towards paying down the estimated $ 2-4 million in debt.

Do the first 20 people to sign up for the LPT's donation drive get a t-shirt or something. Maybe the LPT should do a "PBS style" fundraising scheme.

$10/month = t-shirt
$20/month = ball cap
$50/month = a PM Chretien endorsed Peppermill
$75/month = signed copy of the Red Book
$100/month = a signed copy of The Lesser Evil

[updated Thu Mar 05 07:34:18 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

05 Mar 07:34

12 replies so far. Join this conversation.

.Westerner (multiple alias - suspended)

Harper is destroying our country with his attacks on anyone who disagrees with him. He must go now before he splits us up. At any cost.

[updated Thu Mar 05 07:37:43 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

05 Mar 07:37

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Westerner. (multiple alias - suspended)

The smell of desperation:
Stephen Harper arrived at his seat, sat down and nodded across the aisle. Michael Ignatieff nodded back.
A short while later, one of Mr. Harper’s dutiful backbenchers stood to impugn the Liberal leader’s good name.
“Mr. Speaker, the Liberal leader is out of touch with real Canadians. More specifically, he is out of touch with rural Canadians,” exclaimed Chris Warkentin, apparently unaware of Mr. Ignatieff’s childhood years spent rolling around in the manure of his uncle’s dairy farm in Richmond, Quebec. “The Liberal leader does not support rural Canadians. I would ask the Liberal leader when he will quit his assault on rural Canadians.” What assualt? More made up manure frome the CPC.
Ignatieff laughed, then stood to begin his questioning of the Prime Minister. He's not taking the nasty bait, he is a better person than Harper.
Harper is grasping at straws to keep his base. Pathetic.

[updated Thu Mar 05 08:21:11 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

05 Mar 08:21

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

centralizer (suspended)

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/596832

More on the lack of teeth in Harper's so called accountability act which is apparently not working at all as well well know.

[updated Thu Mar 05 09:07:28 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

05 Mar 09:07

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

larryl

To the moderator. Why do you allow Canadian to accuse every new poster of being Parnel. I find it inappropriate and have flagged her posts that accuse people without proof as that. Do your job and suspend those who deserve to be . She is paranoid and sees Parnel around every corner but keeps replying to every post that she realy believes is Parnel If she thinks it is Parnel she should just not reply.

[updated Thu Mar 05 17:57:45 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

05 Mar 17:57

16 replies so far. Join this conversation.

RonaldODowd

The Budget: Double-edged Sword For Liberals and Conservatives.

Take this post with a very large grain of salt. Like most of you, I'm looking forward to the next Nanos poll. My comments will be based on the last one along with Harris/Decima, both of which were published last month.

As many of you know, I like to play around with what I call the Shifting Ground Theory - the migration of political intentions from one party to another based on changing political circumstances on the ground and voter reaction to often unexpected but resoundingly important political events.

I want to try and develop a few trend lines, which may or may not turn out to be valid. Again, we are working with numbers which are relatively fresh but may be misleading given the passage of time and the quickly changing pace of political events in Ottawa.

Let's go to Harris/Decima first: what really rings the bell for me is the following: the public wants this budget passed by Parliament. The House of Commons has done its job and now the bill is in the Senate. 62% of Canadians back this budget. That is highly significant and provides an advantage to the Harper government. IMHO, what it suggests is that the public wants the Senate to do its job -- to exercise legitimate oversight but people won't sit still for any political gamesmanship. If the Senate becomes clearly obstructionist, it will be playing into the Prime Minister's hands.

Conversely, there is also an opportunity for the Liberals: look at those numbers regarding the report cards - 66% in favour with only 28% of Conservatives opposed. The public is clearly cutting Ignatieff some major slack -- but he must not abuse the privilege or it could quite conceivably backfire. A question of degree becomes the Liberal game. No overplaying of the Liberal hand lest misfortune be thrust upon that party by the voters. In short, Michael Ignatieff were he an American state would be the "Show-Me" state.

The Nanos poll which followed shows we have a horse race on our hands. That in itself is no small accomplishment for the Liberals. The Liberals are on the upswing in Atlantic Canada and Ontario, Quebec remains volatile for the federalist parties while the West is solid for the Conservatives. The undecided are up nationally, in the Atlantic provinces and Quebec but down in Ontario. Taken in a general context, this poll suggests to me that either party can still build momentum prior to the election.

However, tie any or all of the polls to the budget issue and the Liberals have the edge -- unless they overplay their hand and blow it. That remains a distinct possibility. If they do, Stephen Harper will be back in the game solidly positioned to go into a campaign.

Finesse must be the name of the Liberal game while the Conservative strategy has to count on Liberal arrogance as a means of changing the political dynamic that has settled in since the Prorogation crisis.

Can't wait to see the next batch of numbers roll out. One man's mistake with be another's opportunity and vice-versa. In my view, the two man race is still on to the finish line.

[updated Thu Mar 05 22:00:41 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

05 Mar 22:00

8 replies so far. Join this conversation.

centralizer (suspended)

For those of you Tory whiners who think Ontario is going conservative think again.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090305.welect6/BNStory/politics/home

John Tory just lost a safe conservative seat in a provincial by-election.
To those of you who will try and sluff this off as provincial politics just remember there is a prevailing mood developing against all things Tory thanks to Harper who is becoming immensely unpopular. No amount of attack ads will save him in this province.

[updated Fri Mar 06 05:33:11 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

06 Mar 05:33

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Ronald you are wrong for many reasons in blaming the CPC for the recent separatist party rhetoric initiated by a long time Liberal.

Liberals are simply imploding, Iggy is trying to hold together and rebuild the Liberals into a national party. After October 2008 the Liberals have continued to lose rural and Western Canadians.( Over 800,000+ less votes for the former National federalist party) The Liberals have been reduced to 3 large urban city geograhpic locations. The Liberals can not claim to speak on national interests when Canadians have repudiated the party. Taking a look at the map the demise of this national party is looking more realistic. (I am choosing to skew/ignore the recent polls in Quebec just as you are clinging on to a few recent polls)

National Unity and why the Liberals an alleged National Party has it wrong.

The Liberals have not made any gains against the Bloc, in fact the CPC with 10 seat have stalled the forces who want to break up this country.

The Liberals illegally stole millions or misdirected funds to bribe voters and citizens of Canada regarding votes in the Quebec referendums. Auditor General confirmed a complete breakdown under the liberals took place creating waste in excess of the $ 3 Billion emergency requested by the current government vs the Liberals games painting it as a suggesting as a "slush fund".

Iggy allowed a regional bloc of NFLD MP's to vote against his party support of a confidence Bill. It does not matter what party proposes the Bill. All confidence matters supported by your party are considered unacceptable for independent free will.

In the recent dust up, a Liberal Senator during Chretien days has mused about the NFLD MP following in the footsteps of the Bloc and create a regional voting bloc because Confederation is failing.

In a sign of weakness and lack of party unity, Liberal apologists are coming out of the woodwork trying to defend this statement.

What has happened to the National Party? Did the failure in October of generating only 26% break their spirit? Are they so demoralized they can't champion or hold onto a national identity?

Where is the appointed leader? Is he busy writing another book?

(Parnel,larrly both of you who simply don't understand the proper use of this form find another thread to target)

[updated Fri Mar 06 07:25:25 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

06 Mar 07:25

4 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Ronald, Westerner

Further proof the Liberals are continuing to implode. Why are the Liberals defending the actions of the Tamil Tigers? What party classified the same party as a terrorist organization?

It was not the Liberals why?

Canada's role in Tamil terror
Martin Collacott National Post Wednesday, January, 2005

"Canada's failure to label the Tigers as terrorists contrasts with the actions of Britain and the United States. It also contravenes the recommendations of CSIS, which is the Canadian agency best suited to determining the nature of militant groups. The reason for the government's failure is clear. Through intimidation tactics, the LTTE exercises a considerable measure of control over members of the Tamil community. LTTE-friendly community leaders are willing to ensure that Liberal candidates win votes in Tamil-heavy urban constituencies, provided the federal government turns a blind eye to fund-raising.

The federal government's claim that it is refraining from designating the Tigers as a terrorist group in order to not disrupt the peace process is disingenuous, to say the least. It had plenty of opportunity to take such action before the negotiations were launched in 2002 - but had no more stomach for it then than it does now. If Ottawa is really serious about contributing to a lasting peace in Sri Lanka, it should declare the Tigers a terrorist group and put a stop to their fundraising activities in Canada.

Martin Collacott was the Canadian high commissioner to Sri Lanka when the ethnic conflict began in 1983. He was subsequently ambassador to Syria, Lebanon and Cambodia. He lives in Vancouver."

Liberals set off row with Sri Lanka Diplomat upset by allegations of 'genocide'
Liberal MP Robert Oliphant

Gurbax Singh Malhi, MP for Bramalea-Gore-Malton, telling demonstrators waving Tamil Tigers flags that, "I'd like to let you know I'm helping you guys. I'm behind you because you are fighting for a right cause."

[updated Fri Mar 06 07:44:35 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

06 Mar 07:44

4 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Is an implosion of the Liberal party imminent?
http://www.themanitoban.com/comment/implosion-liberal-party-imminent

Even Liberals apologists agree the end is coming. The last 3 elections were incremental losses for the liberals.

The loss of a national scope being reduced to 3 cities has not been a result of any one major policy. The losses in rural votes and Western votes has been gradual.

The loss of grassroots support and the failure of the remaining 77 MP will result in the Liberals becoming a party with less seats than the Bloc in the next election.

The Bloc will be the Official Opposition after the next "Poll". The shifting ground thesis is clear and the games and partisanshp by the liberals will give another 20-30 seat loss for the liberals.

[updated Fri Mar 06 08:21:08 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

06 Mar 08:21

27 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Parnelsmom (Abuse of forum - suspended)

On behalf of my family and all the accounts Parnel is creating I want to apologize. I have tried to explain to him but he is not a intelligent person.

He does not have any friends in real life. He spend his time creating accounts and getting banned by the moderator.

He is a very lonely person. I am sorry Parnel mommy could not help you more.

[updated Fri Mar 06 08:36:09 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

06 Mar 08:36

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

centralizer (suspended)

The Liberals are making responsible efforts to make sure the stimulus moneys go out to the right places and the Tories keep on making the same stupid threats about non confidence votes. What a classless bunch Harper and his minions are.

http://www.thestar.com/news/canada/article/597948

[updated Fri Mar 06 18:21:45 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

06 Mar 18:21

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

centralizer (suspended)

Iggy has now had over 25 meet and greet events all putting over $50K each in the party's war chest. And he's just warming up with also to many many chambers of commerce where he sells out every event.

I think I can't wait for the attack ads from the sorry Tories.

[updated Fri Mar 06 22:47:15 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

06 Mar 22:47

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

centralizer (suspended)

I will be voting today for delegate selection to the April/May liberal convention. There is a certain excitement in the air as Iggy is really getting Liberals pumped to get rid of the Harper conservatives. Riding associations are actually competing to get him for fund raisers in their area or riding. If he does 150 of those this year at $50K a pop the attack ad industry will do very well although it appears that Harper is backing off on those now that he knows rebuttals will be coming hard and fast.

We all know that if Harper has to play on a level playing field he is lost and I say good riddance.

[updated Sat Mar 07 08:50:45 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

07 Mar 08:50

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

centralizer (suspended)

Tory $3BB slush fund being called for waht it is:

"Conservatives are tilting in the wrong direction. Their stimulus plan skews to the past, rarely lifting its eyes to the horizons of education, research or funding for green or venture industries.

Piling on secrecy, the Prime Minister ludicrously argues that speedy spending and public accountability are so incompatible that he needs a slushy $3 billion fund of the discredited type that funneled millions into what became the Quebec sponsorship scandal."

http://www.thestar.com/News/Canada/article/598169

[updated Sat Mar 07 09:11:20 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

07 Mar 09:11

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

centralizer (suspended)

I wonder what the clueless Tories are thinking as the Liberals re tool both financially and leadership wise. Harper must look in the mirror every morning and see a very bleak picture. His nastiness will be countered;his dirty ads will be countered and he has no economic policy of his own except his populist agenda which cannot work in this environment if ever again.

I see the following happening:
1. Iggy will continue to ramp up the pressure on the Cons.
2. He will continue his party fund raising and speeches to hundreds of Chambers of Commerce.
3. The population will become more and more disenchanted with the economy over the next several months.
4. Harper will resign just before being defeated in a confidence vote.
5. A late spring election will thus be avoided until a new Tory leader is elected if the party move to do so over the summer;if not the libs will defeat them quickly and put them out of their misery.
6. Liberals will win a majority.

[updated Sat Mar 07 10:59:39 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

07 Mar 10:59

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

The Reformer (suspended multiple aliases)

Do you think Chicken Coops should be allowed in backyards of Metro Vancouver and who came up with this Idea in the first place!

[updated Sat Mar 07 14:30:18 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

07 Mar 14:30

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Ronald, MRM, Westerner:

(If you have an account starting on Jan 01, 2009. I am not interested in your feedback)

Our Right Honourable Prime Minister S. Harper is right on pushing the opposition in pushing the $ 3 Billion as an emergency fund to take advantage of our short construction season.

This pre-budget amount addresses the desire of the opposition to speed up the stimulus. Harper is correct the $ 3 Billion is another example of how the opposition are clearly not interested in the monies reaching their partners in a timely manner.

The hope of the opposition is to blame Harper for the Global Recession and delay programs and money that can be used by the Government to demonstrate its committment to reduce the red tape and provide timely relief.

Ronald you said it was a double edged sword regarding how the public perception of the events regarding this BILL.

The Liberals have already started backing down in the HOC and are beginning to understand you can't run a government with games being played by the opposition.

Do you agree?

[updated Sat Mar 07 18:58:37 -0500 2009]

Reply to Comment

07 Mar 18:58

24 replies so far. Join this conversation.

BettyM Calgary

I agree with the posts here that show Stephen Harper as conservative sell-out.

Canada’s Conservative movement as a whole has been damaged severely by Prime Minister Stephen Harper himself — a past longtime fiscal Conservative and champion of the free market. Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s total turnaround from cautious fiscal conservatism to profligate government spender and deficit creator has surely betrayed fiscally conservative voters who elected Conservative MPs based on their public pledges at that time that “our economy is sound” and “we will never run a deficit”. One can only reasonably conclude that to hang on to power in Ottawa, Harper and also next his MPs have betrayed every fiscal Conservative principle they had once claimed that their party holds dear, sacred. Harper’s main opposition these days seems to be the c Conservatives members themselves.

Stephen Harper has turned liberal for his own political expediency, survival. We need a conservative leader that puts conservatives first and not himself.

[updated Sun Mar 08 15:24:25 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

08 Mar 15:24

14 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Why has the interim appointed Liberal leader failed to show leadership on so many important issues?

Six MP from NFLD are allowed to vote against a confidence motion against their party as a symbolic one time vote. Than are told no more free passes.

A Liberal Senator suggests stop immigration during this economic crisis, blaming them for stealing employment opportunities.

Liberal Senator in Ottawa targets Commercial Seal hunts and follows the EU in attacking NFLD/Northern Quebec people who are engaged in that industry?

A veteran Liberal Senator who suggests setting up a separtist NFLD Bloc party is likely and confederation is not working for NFLD.

Another Liberal Senator demanding the Government break up the Bill or they will delay its passage.

Liberal MP sending out emails to attend a Tamil Tiger Rally photos are available. The Liberals are supporting terrorist organization and than denying his participation.

The photos are available clearly showing the MP standing next to the Flags of the Terrorist Organization.

In all these matters on national importance the interim leader has failed in speaking for a united Canada.

Could this be a result of spending most of his adult life abroad he does not understand Canadians?

Or is this more evidence demostrating the implosion of the 77 Liberals infighting?

The Liberals are in substantial debt, estimates are between $ 2-4 Million.

The Liberals have admitted they don't have many regular donors who qualify at "victory fund" level.

How much worse are things going to get, will the Bloc become the official opposition when the Liberals lose another 30 seats?

[updated Sun Mar 08 17:15:29 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

08 Mar 17:15

39 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Westerner, Ronald, MRM

Let's contrast the last few weeks since the Jan 27, 2009 budget

Source -CP D.C. awash in Conservative ministers for both policy and PR

"Some of the images resulting from the Canadian cabinet invasion have been pure PR gold:

"-Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon posing alongside Secretary of State Hillary Clinton in a regal reception room at the State Department;"

"-Defence Minister Peter MacKay standing on the steps of the storied Pentagon with his American counterpart, Robert Gates;"

"-Environment Minister Jim Prentice smiling for the cameras alongside John Kerry in the Massachusetts senator's cozy Capitol Hill office."

"The cabinet ministers' photo-ops and media availabilities have usually come before or after brief meetings, some no longer than a half-hour, that the more frugal cynic might argue could have been taken care of with a simple long-distance phone call."

The push for incremental cooperative policies in many areas are being explored. With the popularity of OBAMA, the opportunity for Canada to move closer to improve on intergrating our North American relationship is hopefully going to provide some wind in our sails in the coming months and years.

Let's hope the oppositio are not successful in derailing the EAP and the plans by the CPC to help Canadians.

What policies do you think US & Canada will be adopting first?

Carbon Capture New technology?

[updated Sun Mar 08 17:59:32 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

08 Mar 17:59

28 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

A Liberal Senator is suggesting NFLD follow the Bloc in sending a separtist party to Ottawa. Many Liberals appear to be against those comments from this long serving Liberal Senator George Baker.

Iggy and doublespeak at it's finest. He chastises Harper for the loss of money to NFLD but does NOTHING. He suggests equalization programs needs to be reviewed.

Under the Liberals in they cut Billions in transfer payments to the provinces in Healthcare and Education. They have not admitted to the fiscal imbalance or apologized for the pain they caused in downloading.

Without his support Harper can not pass a SINGLE BILL in the HOC. So again the Liberals hidden agenda is to keep the CPC in power hoping for them to wear the blame for this global recession.

"Tobin says the best way to get around that problem is by electing Liberal Leader Michael Ignatieff the next Prime Minister."

Huh? Iggy is complicit with Harper. Jack and Gilles have scolded Iggy for being a Harper cheerleader. The Liberals are clearly not prepared to hold Harper accountable.

Why are the Liberals afraid to seek a mandate at the polls from the people?

Internal Polls don't lie, those 77 seats are not safe, those seats out WEST are gone. 905 Liberal strongholds are going to fall. All we need is another 2% drop in liberal support in those targeted ridings where they won with less than 5% margin.

[updated Sun Mar 08 21:10:51 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

08 Mar 21:10

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

US protectionism is rearing its ugly head again and will likely cause other countries to follow suit.

BofA withdraws job offers to foreign MBAs- Financial Time March 09, 2009 Della Bradshaw wrote and article detailing and exposing the TARP bailout clauses for the reasons why BOA is rescinding their offers to graduates.

It is a shame they will lose some of the brightest global graduates.

Maybe this can be an opportunity for Canada's Financial Institutions to examine the "Brain Drain" and the availability of these foreign MBA graduates.

[updated Sun Mar 08 21:32:00 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

08 Mar 21:32

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper uses “separatists” to shore up western support to the detriment of the rest of the country

“It’s part of an attempt to strengthen his support in the West and in English Canada by creating a kind of hysteria,” SFU history professor Jack Little said. “That somehow democracy is going to be subverted by separatists who are going to destroy the country.”

Little described Harper’s use of different language when addressing different audiences as “pretty two-faced” and predicted that the strategy will backfire in the long run.

In addition, Harper has recently punished NFLD and created a climate that has encouraged sepatatist talk there too. He causing irreperable harm to Canada for his own personal gain.

[updated Sun Mar 08 21:59:55 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

08 Mar 21:59

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

More grim polling news for Harper.

Poll numbers indicate that more Canadians trust Ignatieff’s judgment than the PM’s

A poll commissioned for Barack Obama’s visit this week contained a curiosity for domestic political watchers. When we asked which federal leader—Michael Ignatieff or Stephen Harper—would maintain a good relationship with the new U.S. President, Ignatieff came out on top.

No surprise there: the Liberal leader made a name for himself as a foreign-policy intellectual and his values square nicely with those of Obama, a Democrat. But when we tried the obverse question—which leader would stand up to Obama when Canada’s interests are threatened—Ignatieff still came out on top. Fully 36 per cent of those surveyed by Angus Reid Strategies figured the Grit boss was up to the task, compared to 28 per cent who had faith in the prime minister (14 per cent said neither; 22 per cent weren’t sure).

For Tories trying to gauge the full impact of the pre-Christmas parliamentary crisis, this is stomach-churning news. A couple of months ago, Canadians’ distaste for another election clearly outweighed their disgust with the Tories for triggering the showdown.

[updated Sun Mar 08 22:01:06 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

08 Mar 22:01

8 replies so far. Join this conversation.

ed123

Guys, off-topic, but since this is a political place..really really cool role-player type game..how about we put the talk to the test ;)
http://www.canadianpoliticsrpg.com/

[updated Sun Mar 08 22:41:38 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

08 Mar 22:41

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

The Liberals are quickly backing down after trying to demonize the government with the same brush of gross mismanagement that was levied against the Liberals during ADSCAM by referring to the Emergency money Bill as a "slush fund".

The attempts by the oppposition to scream for faster relief while voting against it and raising roadblocks is proving to reflect in the poor internal polling.

"Liberal House Leader Ralph Goodale says his party is not seeking a confrontation with the Tory government over a $3-billion fund aimed at quickly stimulating the sputtering economy."-Canadian Press (Internal Polling tells the story why they are backing down.)

All money Bills are a matter of confidence, period. The attemp of the Liberals to require per project approval will not work. No governent can operate on that micro level.

The Liberals have been engaged in doublespeaking since the house reconvened. They offer zero in EAP and criticize by passing it.

Where is Iggy and the Liberals on the economy?

Bring back Income Trusts to help Oil/Gas Companies raise money!
Raise GST if necessary to pay down federal deficit.
Spend $ 70 Billion on infrastructure Projects. Promised to spend nearly $ 50 Billion during the campaign and run a balanced budget.
Carbon Tax is expunged.
Form a coalition with the NDP/BLOC to steal power.
Attacks the CPC for early release of Economic Figures but praises the Ontario Liberal Government for doing the exact same thing.
"He thinks the best way to attract more jobs and R&D investment in Canada is to be "more competitive"? Sounds like those pesky tax and corporate tax cuts the CPC already have implemented.

[updated Mon Mar 09 08:42:29 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

09 Mar 08:42

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

syld (suspended for inappropriate remarks)

It appears with every passing day that Harper has outlived his presence at 24 Sussex Dr.

I now would like to hear peoples thoughts on when he could resign or if he will attempt to fight Iggy in an eelction.

Will he go before the summer recess or risk being defeated in a non confidence vote?

Will he resign and stay on until a convention to replace him is called?

[updated Mon Mar 09 10:20:27 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

09 Mar 10:20

4 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper's economic mismanagement

Report showing $13-billion deficit demonstrates Harper's economic mismanagement

A new report forecasting a $13-billion deficit next year - even before the Harper government's plans to include billions in economic stimulus measures in next week's budget - reinforces the fiscal mismanagement of the Conservatives

"Stephen Harper consistently told Canadians they would have a surplus as late as the November 27th economic update," he said. "And yet here we are - our starting point going into this recession is a $13-billion deficit. This government was headed into the red but was not upfront with Canadians.

[updated Mon Mar 09 10:22:26 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

09 Mar 10:22

15 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper in trouble with his own party and should resign. In the media.

• Sun Media: “HARPER’S FATE IN DOUBT…As the survival of the Conservative government hangs in the balance, Prime Minister Stephen Harper's leadership could also be on the line. Some Tories are quietly grumbling about the grave political miscalculation that is pushing the government to the brink.”

• John Ivison, National Post: “Stephen Harper is another politician who looks like he's been hit by a train these days. The Prime Minister was barely audible. A tired-looking Mr. Harper…stood there, stripped of hubris, drained of energy, sending the message to Conservatives that resistance is futile. It looked as if losing the confidence of the House had affected his own faith in himself…what will be Mr. Harper's fate? The response of my unscientific poll of Conservatives taken on Parliament Hill yesterday was an almost unanimous thumbs down.”

• Rob Granastein, Sun: “WHY IT’S TIME FOR HARPER TO GO…This is Stephen Harper's fault. Harper must be replaced as leader of the Conservative party. And even if he survives, his days should be numbered. Really, what the #$%^& was he thinking?"

• Randy Denley, Ottawa Citizen: “Most of the blame for this mess goes to Stephen Harper. He should resign. He is the architect of the crisis the country now faces. And all of it was so unnecessary. Harper just couldn't resist the chance to slip in a low blow against his opponents and it has backfired spectacularly. If he hasn't the decency to resign as a matter of honour, his party should insist that he go.”

• Winnipeg Free Press: “TORIES OUTRAGED AT HARPER’S POTENTIALLY FATAL FUMBLE…astonished Conservatives are quietly fuming about the tactical blunder they fear could toss them into opposition. And the blame seems to be landing on the prime minister's doorstep. Stunned Conservative MPs are barely concealing their outrage. Many are venting their anger in private because of Stephen Harper's iron grip on the party and the uncertain prospects of a coalition of opposition parties.”

• Don Martin, National Post: “…Stephen Harper may well be out as PM, the price for boneheadedly browbeating his opponents in dangerous times…Stephen Harper always projected confident, unflappable leadership. That changed yesterday when his sagging shoulders and lack-lustre performance gave him the look of a lost cause trying to come to mental grips with his six-week squandering of the largest minority mandate in Canadian history.”

• Dan Lett, Winnipeg Free Press: “Harper returned to Ottawa and single-handedly toppled himself….Harper stumbled awkwardly into this predicament and since then has shown no capacity to extricate himself from a dilemma that appears to have evolved from political stunt to political checkmate. There are risks here for the opposition leaders, but they are not alone. Canadians are entitled to wonder how Harper would do leading the country through an economic crisis when he couldn't survive a political crisis.”

[updated Mon Mar 09 13:35:01 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

09 Mar 13:35

11 replies so far. Join this conversation.

psiclone

So I see the usual gang of harper haters seem to be posting the demise of harper again - YAWN .... do you guys realize how silly some of the posts sound? Look let's face some hard, cold and cruel facts for a change. Harper has consistently shown time and time again that he is by far and away the stronger and more capable leader than any of the opposition leaders even including Iggy ... now I know you the harper haters don't like that but do you ever wonder why? Why is it you have such strong emotions regarding this subject and more often than not your posts basically turn into rants or the most ridiculous of statements that have little bearing in reality. I will tell you the answer but you are not going to like it! The great leaders in our history all had that ability ... that is right folks I am now designating harper as great and he will most definitely be going down in the history books as great no doubt about it. Especially after next election which incidentally will be next fall or spring and certainly not any later and will be resulting in a Conservative majority. So back to the Great : name one other PM that has won continuous terms in a minority situation while (1) conducting a shooting war in a foreign country (2) facing a threat of a coalition of all the other parties (3) won an election when a global crisis dropped 30% of it's total value not seen in over 60 years happened in the middle of (4) neutered the oppostion parties (5) did not suck up to the media (6) well I could go on and on but you get the point .. or at least I hope you do - so now it's your turn = rant away folks!

[updated Mon Mar 09 16:20:11 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

09 Mar 16:20

10 replies so far. Join this conversation.

warrenkwlawson (suspended multiple aliases)

Chicken Coops and the Braidwood Enquiry are the hottest topics on CBC British Columbia is this just a deversion from the real problems. Chinese militrary has become more aggressive in recent weeks. Do we need greater survalence of whom we allow into Canada as Immigrants from [REST OF POST EDITED BY MODERATOR]

[updated Mon Mar 09 17:44:59 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

09 Mar 17:44

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Westerner how can Canadians ever regain confidence in the Liberals when they fail to honour their debts and act like "deadbeats". Why are the Liberals failing to pay their leadership debts and leaving the taxpayer on the hook?

Paying tribute nice but paying cash better for debt-burdened Dion-Canadian Press.

"As of Dec. 31, Dion still owed $200,000 from his successful 2006 leadership campaign.

And, according to the latest financial statements filed with Elections Canada, he wasn't the only one still struggling to pay off his debts.

Seven contenders from the 2006 contest owed more than $1.4 million combined, the financial statements show."

Can you imagine how these deadbeats would handle our economy? Another nail in the coffin for this party struggling to hold on to 3 cities.

"Erstwhile rivals Bob Rae and Carolyn Bennett were the only contenders who were able to retire their debts within the initial 18-month repayment period, which ended last June. The rest, including Ignatieff and Dion, were granted extensions of a year to 18 months by Elections Canada."

"Privately, some Liberal insiders predict much of the remaining leadership debts will never be repaid. Under the law, Elections Canada can eventually allow leadership loans to be written off if there's no realistic chance of repayment. "

We should print the names of the deabeat liberals like spouses who fail to pay their spousal/children support payments.

Here is the list of "deadbeat" Liberals.

"Toronto MP Gerard Kennedy still owed $307,216 in loans and unpaid claims as of Dec. 31."

"Toronto-area MPs Ken Dryden, Maurizio Bevilacqua and Joe Volpe owed $365,272, $275,730 and $140,090 respectively."

"Nova Scotia MP Scott Brison owed $45,000 and Vancouver MP Hedy Fry owed $95,500."

"Elections Canada has not yet posted the latest financial statement for Toronto MP Martha Hall Findlay. "

[updated Mon Mar 09 20:57:09 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

09 Mar 20:57

6 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Peggy, regarding a recent Poll. This is why Iggy and his trainwreck of what is left of this national party are running away and backing down from their roadblocks and games in Ottawa regarding the budget and the $ 3 Billion emergency Bill.

Over 60% are Net Positive towards the Federal Budget in Canada.
In Ontario and the West where the CPC will gain their majority it was as high as 69%.

Does the budget give Canadians confidence in Harper’s ability to
manage the economy?

If you remove Quebec Harper scores 60% in Ontario 59% West. Ontario supports the EAP.

Does the budget give Canadians confidence in Harper’s ability to
manage the economy?
92% Conservative Voters agree
39% Liberal Voters agree

70% + Agree The Opposition parties should support the federal budget.
61% Ont 58% West The federal government has a good plan for leading Canada through tough economic times.

65% Liberal Voters “The Opposition parties should support the federal budget”

The Liberals are in damage control mode with the regular impolisions. They are in serious financial trouble and can't pay their own debts. The party might declare bankruptcy in the near future.
A Report To The Globe and Mail and CTV Canadians’ Evaluation of the January 27th Federal Budget
January 30th, 2009
http://www.thestrategiccounsel.com/our_news/polls/2009-01-30%20GMCTV%20--%20Final.pdf

[updated Mon Mar 09 21:14:20 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

09 Mar 21:14

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Tory support plummets in Quebec, Strategic Council poll finds

DANIEL LEBLANC
From Tuesday's Globe and Mail
March 9, 2009 at 9:02 PM EDT
OTTAWA — Conservative support has plunged in Quebec, according to a new poll that suggests the party would lose some of its 10 seats in the province if an election were held today and would again be unable to form a majority government.

Steve Harpo Blunder blew another chance at a majority, master strategist. Not with the all time low 10% in Quebec he won't.

[updated Tue Mar 10 01:25:12 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 01:25

6 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Westerner, Peggy the recent spin by a liberal biased writer on the Strategic Counsel Poll focusing on Quebec with a 6% margin of error highlights the desperation of bad news for the nearly bankrupt party.

The ROC over the last few years have been polling clearly towards the CPC. Looking the same numbers when an election or risk of an election is near the support for the LIBS goes down.

Oct 2008 Liberals earn 26%
Power Grab Liberals earn 23%
CPC Pre-Budget Liberals earn 30%
CPC Post Budget Liberals earn 35%
Post OBAMA vist Liberals earn 31%

Contrast with the CPC clearly the Libs felt that "surge" of support just after the horrible news regarding the job losses and GDP falling. The Liberals are trying to gain traction by hoping Canadians will blame Harper for the Global Crisis and the Global economy.

The Lessons from the dismal POLLING results are clear, the Liberals have not recovered from their downward spiral. Canadians don't know who their appointed leader is but regardless who leads this urban party, they are not trusted or competent to form the government.

The CPC are 2% below they OCT 2008 VICTORY with a significant push by the liberal media and the opposition playing the DOOM & GLOOM game every day.

PSICLONE made a comment earlier about a prediction about the "greatness" of Harper in History. Time will tell. He is correct with all the turmoil and problems facing Canadians, we have not abandoned the CPC in fact outside Quebec we have increased our support and belief to give them an opportunity over the bankrupt party responsible for ADSCAM.

Finally with a 6% Margin in Quebec numbers,r apologists predicting today what happens in an election not announced without more "positive" polling data are clearly grasping at straws. We should not blame them for grasping at straws. It's all they have.

[updated Tue Mar 10 08:46:06 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 08:46

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Wow, that Globe article really upset someone on this forum, the irrational ranting about it is just insane. I didn't think that newspaper quote would cause such personal anxst. Its not like no one could predict it.

The facts are the cons have a small bounce 3-4%, depending on which recent poll you compare it to (=/- 3.1% error), likely due in part to Obama, and the cons are down significantly in Quebec.

For the most part it is staus quo. This is no big change for anyone. Only a fool would look at those numbers and see victory for anyone. If the cons are jumping for joy, they must have thought the numbers were going to be really bad, because these are not great for any of the parties.

Strategic Council poll shows majority distrust of Harper and blame him for political crisis. While they like the budget they know he was forced into it and would not have produced it otherwise.

When Canadians were asked if Stephen Harper hasn't changed at all and this Budget is all about politics and buying time for his government. 63% agreed

Regardless of this budget, I still blame Stephen Harper for causing an unnecessary political crisis two months ago when he should have been focusing on the economy. 69
The Harper government would not have introduced a budget like this if it had not been for the pressure from the opposition parties. 72

This is why Harper has to go, so the cons can move on. They are stales at 35% because of Harper. No one likes him except his supporters. He can't grow.

[updated Tue Mar 10 10:39:07 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 10:39

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Why are the Liberals deadbeats? Why are the Liberals suggesting another BLOC party in NFD? Why are Liberals bashing the commerical seal hunt? Why are Liberals making racist and bigoted comments? (Immigration Freeze & Catscam) Why are Liberals supporting and being photographed with known terrorist organizations?

The IMPLOSION of the remaining 77 seats is partly due to the G.W. cheerleader who is trying to silence his left wing MP's through rewriting the Liberal Platform without any grassroots support.

Iggy will be selected and NOT elected in Vancouver. Iggy is backtracking and erasing any democratic parts of the Liberal Party in an attempt to shift the party to the right.

Iggy the champion of the Oil & Gas Income Trust Policy should play well in Ontario and Quebec.
Iggy the champion of extending the mission if OBAMA asks should play well .

Iggy the champion of increasing GST if necessary should play well.

Iggy the champion and father of the Carbon Tax. Running from his position.

Iggy the champion of stealing power with Dion as PM. Running again from those facts.

Iggy the champion of PBS fundraising from the elites, wealthy circles in Canada should play well. I wish Iggy well in those $ 500 per plate dinners. Maybe Iggy can team up with the Artists who feel they are entitled with more more money.

What about a Liberal Art Funding telethon in Quebec highlight the deadbeats debts owed to the taxpayer?

Why do they owe Canadian taxpayers $ 1.4 Million from 2006 leadership contest still?

Why do the Liberals have so few regular donors that qualify for the "Victory Fund" level?

Why did the Liberals suffer the worst defeat in public support at the October 2008 General Election?

Many liberal biased media and apologists want to blame "negative ads" or a meanie called Harper.

It is almost comical watching the liberals grasping at straws citing parts of poll and using quotes from the liberal biased media to suggest the party in not falling apart.

The Public Information from Elections Canada and Liberals are clearly the facts. Everything else from Don Martin and his ilk are sad liberal bedtime stories to make going to sleep more comfortable.

After all the facts are crystal clear, the Liberals are going to face an election, they are $ 2-4 Million in debt. ( Leadership rivals are deadbeats!)

They are not prepared and have backed down again when Harper warned them from playing games.

The CPC polled 37.6% in October 2008.
CPC polled 46% during 3 stooges Power coup led by Dion/Iggy

Today they are 2 PTS down from October 2008 with the constant Liberal biased bad news and huge jobs losses stories.

Most Canadians have moved on and some Liberals apologists have not realized the shifting ground has already happened. Facing another gradual incremental loss in the next election will result in another leadership change.

It is hysterical when Liberal apologists suggest the supporters of the CPC are upset or angry.

The Polls and Public information are clear and grasping at straws and citing Quebec numbers with a 6% margin of error to be representative of how the General Election is not only false but hilarious.

I will look forward to more Disney Bedtime stories from liberal biased writers about the "rockstar" Iggy, the Liberal fortunes, the liberal grassroots, the liberal economic policies.

Please keep citing small parts within POLLS. Keep chanting Yes we Can! I know how difficult it must be to secure a peaceful sleep with Harper at the HELM.

[updated Tue Mar 10 11:20:56 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 11:20

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

The Harper rhetoric about stalling the Budget is false. No money can flow until April 1st whether they pass it today or March 31st. That issue of slowing money flow is a bogus sham.

There is no rush to pass it this week, unless you want to pass it before anyone can read it or change it. That's it. Harper wants to rush through his slush fund so he doesn't have to be accountable. Why is a website like Obama's not possible. Well it is if you are hiding something.

[updated Tue Mar 10 12:13:12 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 12:13

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Why are Liberals rehashing the same attacks and OBC from 2006? Why are Liberals suggesting the Auditor General and the Public Service staff would turn a blind eye with the tax payers dollars regarding the $ 3 Billion emergency Bill? Why are the Liberals during this Global Economic Crisis playing games in Ottawa again?

Why are they sucking and blowing at the same time? Slamming the gov't for the Detroit 3 failed Business Model, demanding they have some magical plan before those companies have failed to present a on-going business plan? Blaming the CPC for the GDP and job losses every time we get new numbers released.

It is sad in January 27, 2009, the Liberals agreed to pass EAP. Now again as usual they are being critical of supporting the EAP. Sour grapes.

72% of Canadians agreed the Federal Government EAP needed to pass. Now we have Liberal Senator still playing games in Ottawa.

Liberals along with the opposition are demanding to use taxpayers money to bring back a convicted murderer of 2 homicides of American Aboriginals?

Liberals along with the opposition are demanding to use taxpayers money to fund the CBC so they don't have to face the tough economic times the private sector is facing.

It is a shame these parties simply can't act on behalf of Canadians: instead they simply act in self-interest to protect their political welfare subsidy. Shame on those political parties.

[updated Tue Mar 10 12:42:03 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 12:42

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Some of Stephen Harpers Broken Promises

1) Promise Made: Mr. Harper campaigned for an elected senate and pledged that “all appointments would be made on merit-based requirements”. Promise Broken: In his first act as Prime Minister, Harper appointed his campaign co-chair Michael Fortier as a Senator and Minister of Public Works –the largest governmental procurement department and home of the sponsorship scandal. Because Mr. Fortier is not elected, he cannot be held accountable for his actions in the House of Commons.

2) Promise Made: In Opposition, the Conservatives fought hard against floor-crossing. Days before the election, 40 Conservative MPs supported a private members’ bill banning floor crossing without a by-election. Promise Broken: Within hours of receiving the election results, Mr. Harper dismissed the valuable contributions of many of his fellow Conservative candidates and instead sought out the Liberal Minister, David Emerson, for a key position in his cabinet.

3) Promise Made: Prior to the election campaign, Mr. Harper unveiled his party’s Accountability Act, which aims to “crack down on the revolving door between ministers’ offices, the senior public service and the lobbying industry”.
Promise Broken: The Accountability Act apparently didn’t stop Gordon O’Connor from walking right through this revolving door into the crucial portfolio of Minister of Defense. Minister O’Connor, formerly a lobbyist for the defense industry, is now responsible for overseeing some of the largest defense contracts in Canadian history. Gordon O’Conner has since been dumped from this position.

4) Promise Made: Mr. Harper’s election platform committed to strengthening the role of the Ethics Commissioner and preventing the Prime Minister from overruling the Commissioner’s decisions in the application of ethics rules.
Promise Broken: Despite “numerous attempts” to interview Mr. Harper over a four-month period, our new Prime Minister refused to make time for the Ethics Commissioner to discuss his role in the Gurmant Grewal taping affair.

5) Although Conservatives promised a free vote in the House of Commons on the appointment of new Supreme Court justices during the election campaign, they will now appoint an ad-hoc parliamentary committee to question the new appointee.

6) During the election campaign, the Prime Minister promised the Canadian people that he would “lead by example”. In his Federal Accountability Act, Harper went so far as to promise that he “will prevent the Prime Minister from overruling the Ethics Commissioner on whether the Prime Minister or an official is in violation of the conflict of interest code”.
“Now, Mr. Harper has admitted he has even gone so far as to try and have Dr. Shapiro replaced, showing utter contempt for the Parliamentary process by trying to unilaterally remove a duly appointed officer of Parliament – an officer seeking to carry out his duties under the law “, Mr. Easter continued.

7) During the election campaign, the Conservatives promised to make all capital gains exempt from taxation, as long as the funds were reinvested within a six month period. The proposal was widely criticized by economists because of difficulties in implementation as well its prohibitive cost.
Two budgets later and still no exemption

8) Stephen Harper also promised to revamp the income support system, to make it more responsive to farmers’ needs, saying “A new Conservative government will scrap CAIS.” Minister Strahl is now saying he will “transform” it. The crisis on farms continues with no meaningful action.

[updated Tue Mar 10 13:01:09 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 13:01

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Liberals provided ZERO towards the Economic Action Plan. Iggy was busy finishing his book. When Iggy reappeared in public, they broke from their coalition partners on January 27,2009 to cheer for Harper and fell in line with 72% of Canadians who agree with Federal Government BUDGET.

Iggy is on public record of opposing and not offering anything towards the economic plan he supported.

It appears Canadians along with Harper are simply frustrated with the games being played in Ottawa by these fringe parties.

Are the liberals obsolete? Have they become so tired they are now resorting to attacking the public service staff in Canada? They keep suggesting the administration who are responsible for tracking the money being spent will disappear. They keep suggesting it is a blank cheque. It is a shame to suggest our Public Service will turn a blind eye or repeat the ADSCAM under the Liberal last government.

After the Liberals were busted for ADSCAM, the CPC with the assistance of the NDP passed the Accontability ACT.

It was funny watching the Liberals fight against the Bill. Now they are bringing back Liberals who were associated with that scandal.

When will this party act responsibly and help Canadians? Maybe it's time for liberals to seek a leader through a democratic process again. It's not too late to remind the "rockstar" he does not have grassroots support.

[updated Tue Mar 10 13:14:47 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 13:14

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Stephen Harper, conservative sellout

Tasha Kheiriddin, National Post

What a start to 2009. There sits Prime Minister Stephen Harper, with his $85-billion in new debt. Across the aisle of the House of Commons preens Opposition leader Michael Ignatieff, who might as well have written last week's budget himself. Though one has to give the Liberals credit for eliminating the deficit under Jean Chretien, they cheered on the red ink this time around.

From a conservative perspective, the current Canadian budget offers the worst of all worlds: negligible tax reductions, tremendous spending hikes and massive deficits. It's a recipe for economic misery, as far removed from the conservative world-view as possible.
If Mr. Harper wanted to remain in power, he could have presented a budget more respectful of conservative tradition, and then let the dealing begin. Had he not been able to reach a consensus, then at least he could have blamed the opposition for the impasse, and stood firm on his principles. Now he has no one to blame but himself when Mr. Ignatieff gleefully holds up a mid-term report card with a big F and calls for another election.

Canada does not need a second Liberal party. A functioning democracy works when parties compete, not when they capitulate. - Tasha Kheiriddin lectures in conservative politics at McGill University's department of North American Studies. She is the co-author of Rescuing Canada's Right: Blueprint for a Conservative Revolution.

[updated Tue Mar 10 13:46:30 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 13:46

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Warren Kinsella a top liberal war room general is at it again. Trying to defend the Liberal MP who clearly saw the Tamil Tiger flags that were in front, on the left, on the right, behind, in front.

When will the Liberal leader stand up for Canadians and reign in his MP's? When will the Liberals stop making excuses for terrorists and convicted murderers?

[updated Tue Mar 10 14:02:52 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 14:02

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

"Should Ottawa resume efforts to spare a Canadian from execution in Montana?"- CTV Poll reflect the out of touch liberals.

Why the Liberals are not speaking on behalf of Canadians and why they Polled 26% in October 2008.

Yes 1126 votes 27%
No 3088 votes 73%

Another nail in the coffin. We have a global crisis, and Liberals are busy chatting up Tamil Tigers and convicted murderers. Clearly a shame.

[updated Tue Mar 10 14:13:18 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 14:13

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

more cons agree Harper is a sell out.

Tuesday, January 27, 2009 From Daveberta, Alberta conservative blogger.
Canada's 2009 liberal budget.

Imagine that, Stephen Harper, Canada's 10th Liberal Prime Minister?

After taking a glance at the 2009 Federal Budget released this afternoon, I've come to the conclusion that if didn't know much about Canadian politics, I wouldn't have a hard time believing that Prime Minister Stephen Harper was the leader of the Liberal Party of Canada.

And though it was presented by Conservative Finance Minister Jim Flaherty, the increased spending, tax-cuts, and bailout funding for declining industries made it easy to imagine that this budget could have been presented by past Liberal Finance Ministers John Manley or Ralph Goodale.

[updated Tue Mar 10 14:23:01 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 14:23

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

More broken promises by Harper (Warning: Its a really long list)

More Harper Broken Promises:
9) The Prime Minister has repeatedly reiterated his commitment to end “the revolving door between ministers’ offices, the senior public service, and the lobbying industry”. During the last election campaign, he pledged to Canadians that “under a new Conservative government, politics will no longer be a stepping stone to a lucrative career lobbying government.”
But now that Mr. Harper is in power, the actions of many of his party’s members seem to contradict the very wording and spirit of this promise.
According to The Globe and Mail and information posted on the Public Registry of Lobbyists, a host of Conservative strategists, former staffers and political operatives—including former employees from Mr. Harper’s Opposition office, assistants to newly minted Cabinet Ministers, and even old Reform and Mulroney-era aides—have queued up in recent weeks to sway government policy.
“Prime Minister Harper has appointed three former lobbyists to Cabinet: Gordon O’Connor, Lawrence Cannon, and Jean-Pierre Blackburn,” Mr. LeBlanc added, also noting that several PMO staffers including Sandra Buckler, the Prime Minister’s new communications director, along with the chiefs of staff to Minister of Natural Resources Gary Lunn and Minister of the Environment Rona Ambrose, Government House Leader Rob Nicholson, Minister of National Revenue Carol Skelton were also recently registered as federal lobbyists.
Not only do these actions appear to contravene the Lobbyist Registration Act as well as the 2006 Conflict of Interest and Post-Employment Code for Public Office Holders, but they also violated the proposed Federal Accountability Act –the very cornerstone of the Conservatives’ election platform.
10) The “Selective” Accountability Act breaks a key Conservative campaign promise to implement all of the recommendations made by the information commissioner.
What happened to Prime Minister’s pledge on access to information, which was the core of his promise to clean up government? Under the conservatives access to information has almost ground to a halt!
Also missing from the legislation was any mention of preventing lobbyists from joining the government, where conflict of interest is an even greater concern.
“This is not surprising given that former Minister of Defence Gordon O’Connor wa a former lobbyist for major defence contractors
11) Mr. Harper campaigned on an elected Senate and then appointed his election campaign co-chair as a Senator;
He vowed to stop the revolving door between lobbyists and government, and then appointed a senior lobbyist as Minister of National Defence; and he promised Canadians his government would only make “merit-based” appointments, and is now handpicking House of Commons committee chairs.
12) As Leader of the Opposition in May 2004, Mr. Harper pledged to Canadians that a Conservative government would eliminate the GST on gas entirely if prices escalated above 85 cents per litre. Mr. Harper called the GST a tax on tax, referring to the federal excise tax which is also charged on fuel.
I think that the truth of the matter is that higher gas prices are…going to be something that we’re going to have to get used to,” the Prime Minister told reporters yesterday. (April 06)
13) During the election campaign, Mr. Harper promised that Quebec’s role at the international organization would be one of a “participating government,” knowing full well UNESCO’s rules state that only sovereign states may participate. As a result, today’s agreement only gives Quebec an official representative within the Canadian delegation.
Prime Minister Stephen Harper’s government today reneged on their campaign promise to Quebec which would have guaranteed the province a place at the United Nations Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization.
14) “Last fall, during a rush of promises to garner votes for an impending election, Stephen Harper unequivocally promised to ‘stand up for veterans’ by immediately extending VIP services to the widows of all Second World War and Korean War veterans.
Instead in the House of Commons, Veterans Affairs Minister Greg Thompson confirmed that this government has no intention of honouring this commitment. In fact, yesterday before the Standing Committee on Veterans Affairs, Mr. Thompson had the gall to tell Canadians that it was never promised in the first place, when it is very clearly laid out in the party’s Blue Book for all to see.
15) The conservatives promised to do away with gun control, we now have the curious situation where the police use the registry hundreds of times a day but the records are not being kept up to date
16) Implementing an Accountability Act that will actually increase government secrecy and make it less accountable, after running an election campaign on openness and accountability in government.

[updated Tue Mar 10 14:24:49 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 14:24

5 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Tom Clark on Power Play tnight spoke openly about Jean Charest looking to replace Harper due to the failure to get a majority. There is no open rebellion, but the vulchers are circling.

Cabinet ministers showcasing the French regularly, Jean Charest sniffing around Ottawa,

The smell is unmistakable. Dead meat!

[updated Tue Mar 10 21:18:34 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 21:18

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Ipsos/Global Poll, March 10, 2009

Ignatieff Liberals Continue to Edge Closer to Harper Conservatives
Grits (42%) Open a 5-Point Lead in Ontario over Tories (37%)

Cut and pasted from their website.

Toronto, ON – As politicians in Ottawa focus on how best to spend budgeted stimulus funds to help steer Canada out of an economic recession by creating jobs, a new Ipsos Reid poll of over 2,000 Canadians conducted on behalf of Canwest News Service and Global Television has revealed that Michael Ignatieff and his Liberal Party continue to make gains on Prime Minister Harper’s Conservative Government.

[updated Tue Mar 10 22:44:53 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 22:44

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

syld (suspended for inappropriate remarks)

Kinsella has had enough of the Tory dirty tricks room and is putting his money where his mouth is:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090310.wkinsella0310/BNStory/politics/home

Its about time someone took on the lies and innuendos of this unethical government

[updated Tue Mar 10 23:32:21 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

10 Mar 23:32

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Why Liberal apologists simply can't accept they have lost power and the support of Canadians. OBAMA and Harper were successful in generating and building grassroots, using technology, an effective organization/team and targeting opponents ridings and specific demographics.

The pundits and Liberals admit they are losing their strongholds and the LOSS last election of 23 seats is LEADING indicator another nail in the coffin.

Visible Minorities and Women have LEFT the Liberal Fold.
Rural Vote Gone
West Vote Gone.

The last bastion of liberal power has been 3 large urban centres that have LOST their DOUBLE-DIGIT gaps. Several key riding 45 are withing striking distance and are being targeted.

Liberals publicly admit their goal the next election is to recover the lost liberals, they freely admit they wont win any seats out west.

With the BEST case scenario on 5 seats in Quebec they will still be lose over 20 outside Quebec. If the Bloc can pick up 4 more seats than they will become the official opposition.

The humilation of a failed party that is in serious financial hardship requesting an emergency bailout is inevitable.

A random coincidence interesting only to me

Robert Silver, 10/03/09 at 2:36 PM EDT

Between Dec. 3, 2006 (the date of the first post Dion-leadership-win poll being released) and Sept. 6, 2008 (the last poll released prior to the last writ being dropped), there were 134 national public opinion polls released publicly. The average pre-election period result over those 134 polls? With all those ups and downs, negative ads, hapless Liberal leadership?

CPC - 34.66 per cent
Liberals - 30.57 per cent
NDP - 15.39 per cent
Bloc - 8.99 per cent
Green - 9.35 per cent

The national results from today's Strategic Counsel poll?

CPC - 35 per cent
Liberals - 31 per cent
NDP - 16 per cent
Bloc - 9 per cent
Green - 10 per cent

Obviously the disastrous writ period results and the coalition-related implosion don't just disappear, but when I saw the numbers this morning I couldn't help but chuckle.

As an aside, I hope someone over at Green Party headquarters is losing their job today over the total collapse of the party in Quebec since the last Strategic Counsel poll.

http://paulitics.wordpress.com/polls/

[updated Wed Mar 11 08:18:11 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

11 Mar 08:18

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Why Harper apologists can't accept his career is ending. Why they still support their lame duck leader who has to pass liberal policy to survive.

A new Ipsos Reid poll of over 2,000 Canadians conducted on behalf of Canwest News Service and Global Television has revealed that Michael Ignatieff and his Liberal Party continue to make gains on Prime Minister Harper’s Conservative Government.

Grits (42%) Open a 5-Point Lead in Ontario over Tories (37%)

The Conservatives started losing ground in Quebec in the last election over cuts to cultural programs, and the decline accelerated after a series of attacks by Prime Minister Stephen Harper in December against separatists forces.

Blame for the blunder that caused tory slide noted.

[updated Wed Mar 11 09:38:15 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

11 Mar 09:38

5 replies so far. Join this conversation.

psiclone

really then how do you explain the recent drop http://www.thestrategiccounsel.com/our_news/polls/2009-03-09%20-%20Vote%20Intention.pdf

Harper haters are so blinded by their hyperpartisan perspective that they lose all sight of reality and this is precisely why indeed we CPC will get the 12 seats we need next fall - case closed. - one more thing Canada does not have lame ducks are you american or something? Because if you were that would certainly explain some of the whacked out posts LMAO

[updated Wed Mar 11 16:22:49 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

11 Mar 16:22

larryl

Psi. Why is it CPC'ers can't understand that Harper haters like me don't think the way we do because of partisanship?It is because Harper wants to split this country in at least two parts. The West versus the East or worse Oilberta on it's own. He still believes in privatizing anything and everything that has a remote possibility of making a profit. He is the most dangerous politician including any Quebec sovereingtist this country has ever seen when it comes to the break up of our country. Have you read any of his speeches when he was with the N.C.C. or a Reformer. His ideology has not changed and he has become even dangerous since he now has power.It doesn't even matter if he gets a majority since he has divided this country to the point of no return. The depression will be blamed on the East or at least Alberta will refuse to support the the rest of the country with their oil revenues. The Blue Eyed Sheiks of Alberta will be happy as to join the U.S.

[updated Wed Mar 11 17:00:07 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

11 Mar 17:00

Jack

Harper losing in seat rich Ontario and Quebec in the most recent poll. Ipsos http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=4306

[updated Wed Mar 11 17:13:51 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

11 Mar 17:13

syld (suspended for inappropriate remarks)

Ah yes the angry white Tories say everything is black and white while they live in denial that Canada is left leaning society and not in love with the rhetoric put out by Harper and his minions. Iggy at the helm for less than two months, has closed a serious gap in the polls and still has the convention bump he will get at the end of April.

Harper haters are not blinded by anything except his poor judgment and very poor economic management. Populist ideology doesn't sell well at the best of times unless sweetened by outrageous tax cuts that are non productive.

The "whacked out post" comments would suggest you have nothing concrete to add.

[updated Wed Mar 11 17:57:21 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

11 Mar 17:57

westerner (suspended)

Good afternood PARNEL!

[updated Wed Mar 11 18:18:10 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

11 Mar 18:18

Jack

"Ignatieff Liberals catching up in polls"

By Andrew Mayeda, March 10, 2009 Calgary Herald

"It's not exactly "Iggy-mania," but the federal Liberals under new leader Michael Ignatieff are slowly closing the gap on the governing Conservatives, according to a new Ipsos Reid poll."

"Prime Minister Stephen Harper's Conservatives have stalled at 37 per cent support among decided voters, according to the poll, conducted exclusively for Canwest News Service and Global National from Feb. 24 to March 5. The Liberals have edged up to 33 per cent, an increase of two percentage points from a month ago."

[updated Wed Mar 11 21:47:23 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

11 Mar 21:47

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Three negative article about Harper's speech today in G&M. One by a conservative, NDP and Liberal. We know the opposition didn't like it, but even the con says he blew it. There are more to come.

Assessing the PM's sales pitch Did Stephen Harper deliver the right message during Tuesday's economic address in Brampton? Political insiders weigh in
Greg Lyle (former chief of staff for Gary Filmon and adviser to Mike Harris) March 11, 2009 at 11:05 AM EDT

Stephen Harper missed a golden opportunity in his speech.
Canada is facing a crisis. Few people saw this downturn coming and none of those people had a key position in the Canadian financial system or in the current government. No one knows how or when this downturn will end. Not even the Prime Minister.
This downturn may not be as great a crisis as the World Wars or the Depression, at least not yet, but it is a rare moment in public life. Measured against that moment, this speech was a disappointment.

There are three key messages in the speech. One made sense. Two were mistakes. And one key message that should have been there was missing.
The most worrisome element of this speech is that, according to some media stories, the PM himself wrote it.

Canadians were looking for a Prime Minister who was prepared to govern for all Canadians. They wanted to hear a leader who feels their pain and will pull us together to defeat a common foe.

But Mr. Harper left the sweater at home on Tuesday. Instead, he pulled out the suit and the approach that got him into so much trouble in the latter stages of the election campaign, when he said the stock market decline was a buying opportunity and that Canada was in great shape.

That message didn't work then and it won't work now.

Between 2004 and 2006 Stephen Harper showed his ability to learn from his mistakes. If he really wrote Tuesday's speech, we have clear evidence that he has not had the chance to reflect yet on the 2008 election and to learn from those mistakes as well.

[updated Wed Mar 11 21:58:37 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

11 Mar 21:58

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

The Liberals are desperate trying to appear not delaying the CPC EAP. Why? Iggy is on the record for cheering for Harper to save Canada. He is now officially on the record pleading with the Liberals in the senate to not delay the EAP.

For a party that offered Zero towards helping Canadians suffering during this crisis it is good to see this morally bankrupt party recognizing their role to prop up the government is becoming their new marching orders.

The CPC praise Iggy for his cheering and want him to send the memo and pom poms to the senate.

Thanks again Iggy for supporting the CPC .

Duguay says Canada will be hit with a string of alarming economic news in the next few months, adding it was urgent that the budget fiscal stimulus package, particularly lending provisions, be put to work in the economy as quickly as possible.

"We are going through a recession and because of fear, consumers are spending less, companies are spending less and that is antithetical to stabilizing the situation," Duguay said.

"It is very important to cut it off at the pass (slowdown), so people can see recovery is coming."

Speaking from Washington, Finance Minister Jim Flaherty welcomed passage of the budget implementation bill in the Commons on Wednesday night, and said there were indications it will get speedy approval in the Senate.

Flaherty has also called for fast-track approval to spend the $3 billion "emergency fund" quickly.

"This is important. As you know the construction season is about to start...and we want to make full use of the six-month construction season," Flaherty said.

But opposition parties have balked at giving the government carte blanche in order for Flaherty to get money out of the door quickly.

Liberal finance critic John McCallum said what his party is seeking "will not delay money by a nano-second."

[updated Wed Mar 11 22:22:53 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

11 Mar 22:22

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

The stupidity of this statement in Harper's speech is amazing! Who was his proof reader?

"Canada will not emerge from the global economic recession until America's economy is on stable ground, but it will emerge faster and stronger than any other country."

How the heck can we beat the States out of the recession if we have to wait for them?
This man is running our country? Time to go.

[updated Wed Mar 11 22:26:56 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

11 Mar 22:26

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper sucks up to Russia due to the intercept farce that made him and Mackay look foolish.
Canada extends conciliatory hand to Russia
By Mike Blanchfield, Canwest News ServiceMarch 11, 2009 Calgary Herald
OTTAWA — Canada wants to work with Russia to advance their "common interests" in the Arctic, Foreign Affairs Minister Lawrence Cannon said Wednesday.
Cannon extended a hand to Russia in what was billed as a major speech on the foreign policy implications of the Conservative government's ambitious strategy for the resource-rich Canadian Arctic, which Cannon said could hold one-fifth of the world's petroleum reserves.
Cannon's overture to Russia appeared designed to defuse a simmering period of unease between Moscow and Ottawa.

[updated Wed Mar 11 22:27:21 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

11 Mar 22:27

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

How embarrassing can it get.

"Even as Harper tried to pitch the upside of the downturn, Human Resources Minister Diane Finley was admitting the federal government's job-search website was crashing because of "unprecedented" demand."

Mar 11, 2009 04:30 AM Toronto Star

Harper is always bragging about our banking system vs the US. What he leaves out is that most of the regulations that caused that to be so, were implemented by Paul Martin and the Liberals. Shame on him for taking credit for something he would never have done.

[updated Wed Mar 11 22:37:18 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

11 Mar 22:37

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

syld (suspended for inappropriate remarks)

Further proof of the Tories desperation:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090312.wignatieff12/BNStory/politics/home

They cannot stop the personal attacks or dirty tricks on their opponents...dirtiest most unethical bunch of MP's in a long long long time.

[updated Thu Mar 12 10:33:07 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

12 Mar 10:33

4 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Talk about impending implosions. Three of Harper's cabinet ministers looking to bail out before Harper government destroys itself.

Mackay wants out of Dodge, before the Tory crash.

Don Martin: NATO nod would be perfect rescue mission for MacKay
Posted: March 10, 2009
"The Nova Scotia MP needs a great escape from government soon to have any hope of achieving his lofty ambition to lead one. To seize the keys to 24 Sussex Dr., Mr. MacKay must distance himself from his recession-battered party, now sagging in the polls, and get out from under the heavy controlling hand of Mr. Harper to establish an independent identity."

More Harper ministers looking for a way out. Abandon ship!

KAREN HOWLETT
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
March 12, 2009 at 4:17 AM EDT
TORONTO — Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan is looking at making the jump from federal to provincial politics by tossing his name into the race for leader of the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party, sources say.
Sources said Industry Minister Tony Clement is also testing the waters for a return to provincial politics. But in a brief telephone interview last night, Mr. Clement denied that, joking that he still has T-shirts left over from an unsuccessful bid to lead the provincial Tories in 2002.

[updated Thu Mar 12 10:39:05 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

12 Mar 10:39

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

No confidence in Harper's foresight
National Post Published: Thursday, March 12, 2009
Re: PM Promises Recovery Will Be Swift, March 11.

"Stephen Harper boasted that Canada was the last major economy to enter recession and will be the first to come out of it. He neglected to draw the conclusion that following others into economic difficulties meant his government had ample warning of the storm ahead, even if it didn't listen."

"In September and October of last year, forecasters for the Toronto Dominion Bank, Bank of Montreal and Scotiabank, among others, concluded that Canada's descent into recession was likely, if not certain. But our farsighted Prime Minister said on Sept. 15 that "if we were going to have some kind of big crash or recession, we probably would have had it by now."

"If he knew better but wished to downplay bad economic news during a re-election campaign, he consciously misled the public. If he couldn't see perils that were apparent to so many others, then he's one economist in need of a refresher course. Either way, we have little cause for confidence in his predictions of an early return to good times."

[updated Thu Mar 12 15:30:53 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

12 Mar 15:30

30 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

According to this article, Harper is afraid of Ignatieff

LAWRENCE MARTIN
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
March 12, 2009 at 12:00 AM EDT

"Many thought Michael Ignatieff's political career would be imperilled by his having spent about a quarter of a century outside of the country. The contrary seems to be happening. His international stature might well be his prevailing strength. The people want something bigger from their leaders than parochial war dances. Mr. Ignatieff is seen, at least potentially, as possessing qualities different from the average political hack".

"The Harper camp is seemingly more intent on the idea of an early election: They don't want to give the Liberal Leader time. They fear him. It is why they're going back into gutter mode and preparing attacks ads to dirty up his reputation. For a while, it looked as if the Harper team would refrain from this. Not now."

"One of their planned avenues of attack was to go at Mr. Ignatieff as a Michael-come-lately alien who knows more about Oxford than about Ontario. But given the climate now, it would be surprising if they did so. In his relatively brief time in politics, Mr. Ignatieff has shown himself to be well up to speed on the issues and the country. His coming book, True Patriot Love, is likely to fortify that impression."

[updated Thu Mar 12 23:44:29 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

12 Mar 23:44

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

JoeSmith (Suspended for multiple aliases)

Based on the comments I have seen, we seem to have a East - West battle going which is great, to air things out and make they know in the East that Canadians live in the West and not just Ontario. But that is Liberal thinking for you!

[updated Fri Mar 13 00:14:29 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 00:14

6 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

The Liberal leader is again on the record for lying to Canadians. Shame on the party insiders for not respecting their grassroots vote in 2006. The implosion continues stay tuned...

Michael Ignatieff, in an article on The Epoch Times website, on why he did not try to form a coalition government:

"I could be sitting here as your prime minister, but I turned it down because I didn’t think it was right for someone who believes in the national unity of my country to make a deal with people who want to split the country up."

"This is just an extraordinary statement. One, it validates everything the Conservatives have said about the coalition: that it did, indeed, put the Liberals in bed with the separatists. And two, as a Conservative spokesman took about a millisecond to point out, if he was so opposed to doing a deal with “people who want to split the country up,” why did he sign that letter to the Governor General, expressing his support for the coalition and urging her to put it in charge of the country? If it was right then, why is not right now? And if it is not right, why is it not? After all, weren’t we told over and over at the time that the Bloc were not “enemies of Canada“, but the duly elected representatives of the people of Quebec?

Ignatieff’s instincts on the coalition were, and are, sound. He may even sincerely believe what he is saying. But he didn’t act on those beliefs when it counted. And the Conservatives are going to make him wear it. Especially after this."

[updated Fri Mar 13 08:27:07 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 08:27

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Why are Liberals so ashamed of their past?
"Ruby Dhalla on a poster for the 2003 movie Kyon Kis Liye (Why? And for Whom?). The Liberal MP claims that her face was superimposed onto someone else's body in the promotional material."-Ottawa Sun

I guess when they used her for dates to help fundraising Liberals had no problem exploiting her best assets.

Our next Liberal hopeful for PM in waiting after Iggy suffers becomes the second Liberal leader to never become PM.

[updated Fri Mar 13 08:31:50 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 08:31

4 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

The Liberal biased media are in FULL Damage control as the implosing at LPT continues.

Iggy pleads with his senate to rush the Bill after PM threatens an election over the games and delays.

Iggy shows the Liberal Senators the inside polling numbers and Canadians have given Iggy after 134 POLL an average/same polling numbers as Dion+recession.

The BAD NEWS continues.

The Honeymoon is over and now the facts keep hitting the airwaves compliments of the Iggy steamship with Warren Kinsella feeding the coal.

The Liberals are EXPOSED after repeating warnings discovered that EI was "retroactive" and their games in the HOC and Senate were delaying relief to Canadians.

SHAME on those Liberals for delaying EI to those Canadians.

Jan 27, 2009 budget passed and the Liberals are now defending their games in Ottawa to the media.

[updated Fri Mar 13 08:41:29 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 08:41

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper suggests that conservative fiscal policy does not work in a recession. Massive spending needed. Tory's angry.
David Akin, Canwest News Service Published: Thursday, March 12, 2009

Mr. Manning set up the group to bring together Canadian small-c conservatives, some of whom have criticized the Harper government for an economic stimulus plan that, to their eyes, is too liberal.
Conservatives lit up the blogosphere this week with complaints that Mr. Harper, in speeches last week, quoted liberal economist John Maynard Keynes.
Indeed, Mr. Harper himself used to be a harsh critic of Keynes's central idea, which was that governments should go into deficit in bad times and run surpluses in good times to keep an economy on an even keel.
But beginning last fall, Mr. Harper changed his mind in response to the rapidity and depth of the global recession and, as a result, brought in a budget with one of the biggest deficits in decades.
But beginning last fall, Mr. Harper changed his mind in response to the rapidity and depth of the global recession and, as a result, brought in a budget with one of the biggest deficits in decades.

[updated Fri Mar 13 09:01:12 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 09:01

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Many conservatives are fed up with Harper:

Winnipeg Free Press:

“TORIES OUTRAGED AT HARPER’S POTENTIALLY FATAL FUMBLE…astonished Conservatives are quietly fuming about the tactical blunder they fear could toss them into opposition. And the blame seems to be landing on the prime minister's doorstep. Stunned Conservative MPs are barely concealing their outrage. Many are venting their anger in private because of Stephen Harper's iron grip on the party and the uncertain prospects of a coalition of opposition parties.”

[updated Fri Mar 13 09:08:07 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 09:08

1 reply so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

More conservatives fed up with Harper:

John Ivison, National Post: “Stephen Harper is another politician who looks like he's been hit by a train these days. The Prime Minister was barely audible. A tired-looking Mr. Harper…stood there, stripped of hubris, drained of energy, sending the message to Conservatives that resistance is futile. It looked as if losing the confidence of the House had affected his own faith in himself…what will be Mr. Harper's fate? The response of my unscientific poll of Conservatives taken on Parliament Hill yesterday was an almost unanimous thumbs down.”

[updated Fri Mar 13 09:09:57 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 09:09

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Exposed Again and Running Scared. The Liberals are busted for delaying the Budget when the Conservatives and media are asking those tough questions.

Why does the Liberals biased media in bed with the Liberal steamship in full damage control look so silly?

Liberals rush budget through to avoid EI holdup
"The Liberals moved quickly yesterday to pass the Harper government's budget and avoid being labelled the party holding up economic stimulus after learning that their delaying tactics were denying employment insurance benefits to workers who recently lost their jobs".

"The Liberals had planned to study the budget in the Senate until the end of the month until they discovered that some employment insurance claimants would lose five weeks of benefits if the bill was not passed immediately."

[updated Fri Mar 13 09:10:46 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 09:10

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

The Liberal Leadership Convention.

Place an 'X' next to the candidate of your choice...

( ) Michael Ignatieff

( ) Michael Ignatieff

( ) Michael Ignatieff

( ) Michael Ignatieff

On your way out the door please donate $$$ to the LPC coffers.
Thanks for coming out.

[updated Fri Mar 13 09:16:05 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 09:16

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper's liberal policy a mess. More bad press.

Terence Corcoran, National Post Published: Friday, March 13, 2009

"The Harper Conservatives must be heading for trouble again. That's one explanation for the appearance of Tory Senator Hugh Segal in The Globe and Mail this week with a sweeping historical defence of the great political waffle known as Canadian conservatism.
The trouble with the Conservatives today is that it's even harder to find principles than it was back in the Brian Mulroney years. What we have now in Ottawa is another form of Segalism, a new PC party, the Pragmatic Conservatives.

Incrementalism has now crept down to such a low rate of speed that it looks like a reverse crawl. Even Mr. Flanagan, in the wake of the last budget, has left the tent, reporting that there wasn't much left of conservative values to stand on.

In any case, incrementalism isn't a principle. It's a strategy for staying in office and holding on to power. Or it's a plan for getting into power without having to apply any principles. But what, then, is the point -- beyond achieving and holding on to power? I'm sure the Conservative politicians in Ottawa today love their roles in Ottawa, and the party is flush with cash. But what good is that to conservatives?

In practice, however, Harper Conservatism has delivered on almost none of the principles. Government spending per capita is higher than ever, subsidies to farms and corporations continue, new laws and regulations are being added across the economy and the process of governance is being demolished with a budget bill that includes major non-budget measures, including competition law reform, that will never get proper review.

The payoff for all these compromises is weak poll results and continued oppostion claims that the Toiries are right-wing nuts.

It's a tough sell because conservatives never really bothered to promote these ideas when the going was good. And now it's too late. The future of the Conservative party is now tied to Segalism, and that, in my view, is not likely to be a winning strategy."

[updated Fri Mar 13 09:25:21 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 09:25

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Why are the Liberals terrified and pleading with the CPC and the public if they believe attack ads won't work?

The truth is as ALWAYS they do work when done well. OBAMA and many Liberals continue to use them

The Democrats are using Rush Limbaugh as the "new head" of th Republicans to keep them divided and demoralized.

Harper will continue to allow the Liberals to destroy themselves through infighting and flip flopping.

This convention will provide a great deal of ammunition.

"Why does the Liberal Leader love to flip-flop? When will the Liberals find real leadership?"
Peterborough Tory MP Dean Del Mastro

"Crowfoot MP Kevin Sorenson accused the Liberal Leader of supporting a "job-killing, recession-worsening carbon tax" much like that of his predecessor, Stéphane Dion, whose carbon-tax policy was, in part, blamed for the Liberals' defeat in the last election."

JANE TABER the Liberal biased writer is trying to get the CPC to stop attacking her "rockstar". The Toronto Star and their Liberal hacks are PLEADING and suggesting attack ads won't work this time.
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
March 12, 2009 at 4:10 AM EDT

[updated Fri Mar 13 09:25:30 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 09:25

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

By running a deficit, Harper concedes that conservative fiscal policy does not work in a recession.

David Akin, Canwest News Service Published: Thursday, March 12, 2009

"Mr. Manning set up the group to bring together Canadian small-c conservatives, some of whom have criticized the Harper government for an economic stimulus plan that, to their eyes, is too liberal.

Conservatives lit up the blogosphere this week with complaints that Mr. Harper, in speeches last week, quoted liberal economist John Maynard Keynes.
Indeed, Mr. Harper himself used to be a harsh critic of Keynes's central idea, which was that governments should go into deficit in bad times and run surpluses in good times to keep an economy on an even keel.

But beginning last fall, Mr. Harper changed his mind in response to the rapidity and depth of the global recession and, as a result, brought in a budget with one of the biggest deficits in decades."

[updated Fri Mar 13 09:27:59 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 09:27

3 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Abandon Ship! Harper cabinet ministers looking for a way out.:

KAREN HOWLETT
From Thursday's Globe and Mail
March 12, 2009 at 4:17 AM EDT

TORONTO — Public Safety Minister Peter Van Loan is looking at making the jump from federal to provincial politics by tossing his name into the race for leader of the Ontario Progressive Conservative Party, sources say.

Tory insiders said officials close to Mr. Van Loan have been contacting party members, trying to determine how much support there would be for him.

Sources said Industry Minister Tony Clement is also testing the waters for a return to provincial politics. But in a brief telephone interview last night, Mr. Clement denied that, joking that he still has T-shirts left over from an unsuccessful bid to lead the provincial Tories in 2002.

[updated Fri Mar 13 09:37:19 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 09:37

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

The demoralized Liberals are just having another bad day.

Forced to join a coalition to save their political skin to save political welare. Iggy is now in denial he signed the letter sent to the Governor General.

Forced to erase every sign of the "Green Shift" from the Liberal website after the worst showing in 100 years. Now they are following Harper on that file.

Forced to abandon some of their favourite "terrorist" policies they are now following Harper on being pro-Israel.

Lately whatever position Harper takes Iggy jumps on trying to not break his new coalition to keep his best new buddy in power.

The Liberals breakdown and agree with the majority of Canadians that the EAP is the best thing for Canadians.

The Liberals are on the record for offering NOTHING towards this EAP. Great job and demostration of why they are on their way losing official opposition status in the next election.

Bob Rae was smart in not fighting for the "Crown" of this broken party. He can pick up the pieces if his paty surives in Toronto.

[updated Fri Mar 13 09:43:55 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 09:43

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

It is always funny reading liberal apologists claim conservatives are going somewhere! Every Poll shows the opposite.

Every Poll outside Quebec show liberal support the CPC budget and policies. What a sad statement by apoligists who deny the shifting ground.

The Liberals went left and now they are trying to find the centre. The SAD fact is the Liberals don't stand for anything unless the POLLS tell them.

Those are the facts. The public has again witnessed another Liberal party leader threatening, backing down and flip flopping within one week.

We warned you Iggy would follow in Dion's footsteps.

How can Canadians have confidence in a party that wont offer Canadians hope? The Liberal are standing up in the HOC reading bad news written by our liberal biased media. Maybe they are preparing for jobs at the Toronto Star because after the next election at least 20 more will become available.

Maybe they can shoot a movie starring Dhalla. She has already starred in a low budget Bollywood movie shot in Hamilton, she is ashamed about.

At least by stopping the delays in the Senate, they can apply for the improved EI program after they lose their seats.

[updated Fri Mar 13 09:53:33 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 09:53

7 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Conservative writer trashes Harper again.

Written by Andrew Coyne on Tuesday, February 10, 2009

Harper’s Tories lost the plot a long, long time ago

They’ve given up everything they ever stood for, and what have they got in return? Nada.

Why is everyone so surprised? The budget the Conservatives produced last week may have been startling in some respects—the biggest spending budget ever, fuelled by the largest one-year increase in spending ever outside of wartime—but it was hardly out of character. It was the logical terminus to a decade of climbdowns, reversals, and broken promises, dating back to the first efforts to merge the old Reform and Progressive Conservative parties. What began in fear and deception has ended in confusion and incoherence. Predictably enough.

Once, long ago, there was an answer: a new party. But you can only do that once: no one’s got the energy to climb that hill again. The harsh fact is that there is no longer anything resembling a conservative party in this country, nor any prospect of forming one. And conservatives have only themselves to blame.

[updated Fri Mar 13 09:57:56 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 09:57

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

New York Times says Harper is making the recession worse, is uncharismatic and flip-flopped on budget.

New York Times
Friday, March 13, 2009

Mr. Harper was blindsided, however, by the recent turmoil in financial markets. If anything, Mr. Harper made an undesirable situation even worse for his party by projecting an attitude of nonchalance.

Mr. Harper is not charismatic and often appears irritated, particularly when he is challenged.

Mr Harper presented a budget promising tens of billions of dollars in new spending, much of it in areas like housing that the party had never previously championed.

[updated Fri Mar 13 10:31:32 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 10:31

6 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

More Harper government embarrassment.

Flaherty says not one economist predicted the recession. Then the list of economists that did rolls on. Very embarrassing and prove the constant attempts to mislead Canadians.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vkk_OR6Dqt8&eurl=http://impolitical.blogspot.com/2009/03/gritgirl-gets-her-due.html

[updated Fri Mar 13 15:25:22 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 15:25

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

The recent rumours is Iggy was parachuted to help extinguish the Liberal Party. It would explain his Righ of Centre positions that are in conflict with the Liberals. The Party insiders are faced with huge debts and stopping the leadership race to prevent Bob Rae or Dominic Leblanc rebuilding the party and grassroots makes sense.

Green Shift is expunged. Anything Harper requests Iggy is adopting as his own.

Iggy is now the poster child for Oil Sands Income Trust Money in Alberta. Iggy wants the West and Rural Canadians to trust the liberals again.

The NDP/Bloc are going to have a field day with the Liberals after throwing out every Environmental Policy and position. Shame the Liberals have proven they can't be trusted to protect the environment.

Dion must be laughing at watching Iggy flip flopping. Bob Rae was right to bide his time and let Iggy wear the CPC budget as well.

[updated Fri Mar 13 15:41:49 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 15:41

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

syld (suspended for inappropriate remarks)

The ugly truth is now upon the Tories which explains why Harper is getting so ugly and vulgar again. He simply can't stand losing so we should expect the fur to really fly from here on in. the Liberals will now start to make mincemeat out of his bad tempered acts.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090313.wPOLpoll0313/BNStory/politics/home

Liberals 33%
Conservatives32%

I love the Liberal tide that is now coming in.

[updated Fri Mar 13 18:42:24 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 18:42

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Recent rumours are Harper is considering stepping down, because he knows he cannot win. That would explain why so many cabinet ministers are looking for a new job. He must be ashamed of his performance and realizes he has blown it.

[updated Fri Mar 13 18:51:59 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 18:51

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Rumour has it Harper throws office furniture when he does't get his way. I think we need someone a little more mature than that in the PMO.

[updated Fri Mar 13 19:07:48 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 19:07

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Politics with Don Newman:

Todays poll shows Liberals in lead nationally and Tories losing ground in Ontario, Quebec and with women.

Harper is blowing it. They are going down.

[updated Fri Mar 13 20:56:59 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

13 Mar 20:56

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper clueless on economy.

GREG MCARTHUR AND JACQUIE MCNISH
From Saturday's Globe and Mail
March 14, 2009 at 12:00 AM EDT

An investigation by Globe reporters has uncovered a burgeoning subprime mortgage problem that many, including Prime Minister Stephen Harper, have insisted does not exist in Canada

However, The Globe's investigation shows that while Canada's real estate sector hasn't suffered as much as its counterpart in the United States, the Prime Minister and others have grossly underestimated the impact of that small portion of subprime lenders. Until recently, Companies who touted their low standards with slogans such as “We Say Yes When The Banks Say No!” and “No Income Verification” proliferated here.

[updated Sat Mar 14 11:37:56 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 11:37

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper doesn't want the public to know he is a right wing conservative. He's trying to hide it.

JENNIFER DITCHBURN
The Canadian Press
March 13, 2009 at 6:07 PM EDT

The Prime Minister spoke at a conference sponsored by the Manning Centre for Building Democracy, a conservative think-tank run by former Reform Party leader Preston Manning.

The Prime Minister's office did not signal beforehand that he was giving the speech, and refused to make his remarks available afterward.

[updated Sat Mar 14 11:39:48 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 11:39

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

"Out-of-sync PM can't seem to feel your pain."

James Travers Mar 14, 2009 04:30 AM
OTTAWA

Stephen Harper understands recession; he just can't seem to feel the pain.
This week's pivotal political events measure the distance between intellect and empathy. Twice the Prime Minister hiked from Parliament Hill to deliver we-will-overcome speeches. But between his state of the economy address in Brampton Tuesday and yesterday's welcome skills announcement in London, the light at the end of the tunnel became that rusty cliché of an onrushing locomotive when Statistics Canada reported dreadful job losses.

What's worse is that crystal ball gazers only see it getting worse. If that isn't bad enough, the full weight of hard times is falling on those honest, hard-working, tax-paying, Tim Hortons Canadians that Conservatives claim as their core constituency.

Conservatives tried and failed to bridge that divide in the last election by dressing the Prime Minister in sweaters. It wasn't believable then and current attempts to soften his image with friendly public appearances and a flattering website, are hardly fairing better.

[updated Sat Mar 14 11:42:59 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 11:42

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper pretends to be Liberal to get votes only. He doesn't even believe in what he is doing.

Politics
Government: In search of the real Harper
Has the PM really pulled the ultimate about-face?

By John Gray From Canadian Business magazine, March 2, 2009

For most Canadians, there were few surprises in the latest budget tabled by Stephen Harper’s minority government. In the weeks leading up to its delivery in Parliament on Jan. 27, federal cabinet ministers fanned out across the country to assure voters that a multibillion-dollar spending spree would stimulate Canada’s sputtering economy. But for those who know and work with the Conservative prime minister, the budget was not just surprising — it was downright shocking.

The government’s latest fiscal measures will put Canada in the red by about $85 billion and deliver forecasted deficits (the first since 1996) over at least the next two years. That’s not exactly the kind of economic plan many conservatives were expecting when they touted Harper’s credentials as a “trained economist” during the fall federal election campaign. “The Stephen Harper who created this budget is not the Stephen Harper I know,” says Gerry Nicholls, a conservative commentator who once worked closely with the prime minster at the National Citizens Coalition (NCC), a right-wing think-tank now headquartered in Oakville, Ont. “I don’t recognize this man.”

The government’s sudden embrace of Keynesian economics — the theory that you can spend your way out of a recession — is pretty much the mirror image of everything Harper has fought for over the past two decades. He complained bitterly about big government, high taxes and profligate spending during his time at the Reform Party (1987–1997), NCC (1997–2001), as leader of the Opposition (2002–2006), and even as prime minister, since he was first elected on Feb. 6, 2006. During the latest election campaign, Harper routinely criticized the tax-and-spend policies of his opponents, and as recently as October, he declared matter-of-factly: “I know economists will say we could run a small deficit, but the problem is that once you cross that line, as we see in the United States, nothing stops deficits from getting larger and larger and spiralling out of control.”

Few of Harper’s friends or supporters believe he honestly thinks the massive stimulus spending outlined in his latest budget will rescue Canada’s slowing economy. The measures, they say, are merely an attempt to stave off a non-confidence vote, like the one that loomed after Finance Minister Jim Flaherty threatened to remove the multimillion-dollar subsidy opposition parties have come to depend on in his economic statement in November. “Stephen Harper didn’t suddenly wake up and become a Keynesian,” says Frank Atkins, an economics professor at the University of Calgary who once taught the prime minister. “This is nothing more than a political budget.”

For a growing chorus of disappointed conservatives, the current budget represents not just the loss of billions of dollars Canadian taxpayers will ultimately be on the hook for, but the loss of Harper’s credibility. The prime minster can no longer effectively portray himself as a politician who will not sell out his principles for political expediency, says Nicholls. “The people who voted for Stephen Harper thought they were getting someone like Ronald Reagan. Instead, they got someone like Bob Rae.”

[updated Sat Mar 14 12:49:32 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 12:49

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Listening to the desperation of the Liberals apologists who are in a great deal of pain.

We get it! Watching your party destroy itself publicly must be very difficult to swallow.

After the PC were soundly defeated by the public many of them have never allowed the CPC to carry the new banner.

It will be interesting what party wil rise from the ashes of the Neo-liberals of Toronto.

With the Rural, West gone and unable to trust this undemocratic party the last few strongholds are falling.

Women and visible minorities are no longer support the liberals like most Canadians explaining how they polled only 26% in October 2008.

Now they have attempted to erase their past mistakes by expunging their signing the ACCORD with the BLOC.NDP.

EXPUNGING any record of the Green Shift Carbon TAX

Now they are cheering the PM and his budget by passing it after 72% warned them to pass the CPC BUDGET.

The EAP without any help from the Liberals and games are now exposed by the media resulted in more damaging internal polling numbers forced them to stop delaying and pass the Bill C-10.

Watching Harper scold Iggy for playing those games with Canadians and the unemployed will be a great TV attack ad.

Iggy blaming the CPC for the failure of the Liberals to read the budget they passed and understand the demands by the CPC it was going to hurt Canadians will not wash in the next election.

The Liberals have failed and simply don't care, they prefer to stand up in the HOC without any positive ideas, they like reading the bad news and blaming Harper for the Global credit crisis and the problems we are dealing with.

Shame on those liberals who don't care about Canada and Canadians enough to provide contructive ideas.

[updated Sat Mar 14 14:14:09 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 14:14

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Progressive Conservative Senator Lowell Murray warned that the Liberals were succumbing to "political blackmail."

"I very much fear that we are on a slippery slope leading to parliamentary irrelevance," he said. "If I had a message to send to Michael Ignatieff, the message would be: Stephen Harper has your number."

Simply says it all.

Canadians don't care about Iggy or his party having their feelings hurt. 72% agreed to try this CPC budget.

Iggy is like Rush Limbaugh hoping it fails. It is simply about ego and they want power.

Shame on Rush and Iggy for their partisan attacks on OBAMA and Harper who are attempting to soften the pain for their citizens.

Most important Senate vote of year: Yeas 50, Nays 4, Abstentions 5, Missing in Action 46
43% SENATORS DIDN'T SHOW UP FOR BUDGET VOTE

[updated Sat Mar 14 14:32:05 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 14:32

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

Why OBAMA/HARPER are leaving left vs right idealogy at the door?

They both agree with other world leaders in this crisis the solution is more important than scoring points in the public media.

The leaders are leading and injecting Bilions to reduce the deflation and crash being predicted by some.

The opponents of leaders are simply reading bad news, blaming the leaders without offering any constructive ideas. Shame on those parties who stick to idealogical policies and show they are not flexible or understand how to read budgets, shame on those republicans and liberals who are not helping their fellow citizens.

[updated Sat Mar 14 14:38:26 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 14:38

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper's former speech writer says he slagged fallen soldiers sacrifice.

Harper driving Conservatives the wrong way
By MICHAEL TAUBE, -- Taube is a public affairs analyst and commentator, and a former speechwriter for PM Stephen Harper

Saturday, March 14, 2009
In March 2006, I left the Toronto Sun to become a speechwriter for Prime Minister Stephen Harper. In those early days, after an exciting election result and a shock to the political system, the re-emergence of Canadian conservatism -- and Canada's future -- looked pretty positive.
How wrong I was.
The federal Conservatives have increasingly become a centrist, non-ideological government. While there have been some incremental steps toward conservatism -- including tax credits, GST reduction, and cracking down on crime -- they've been few and far between.
Instead, the Harper Tories have spent more time propping up bloated social programs they previously opposed, and tearing down political positions they formerly supported.
Yes, both the global economic crisis and last December's political stand-off played a role in this budget's evolution.
But a true Conservative government -- in either a majority or minority position -- would still be fiscally prudent even in the face of political and economic turmoil. This so-called economic recovery plan won't get our economy rolling again.
And just this week, the PM admitted defeat in Afghanistan. He told CNN's Fareed Zakaria, "We are not going to ever defeat the insurgency."
In one fell swoop, Harper wiped out the Canadian military's accomplishments during this mission, including building roads, providing fresh, clean water and improving women's rights.
Even worse, he brushed aside the memory of the brave 111 Canadian soldiers who died in war-torn Afghanistan fighting for freedom and democracy.

[updated Sat Mar 14 14:45:46 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 14:45

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Two face Harper links Obama and Liberals as enemies to his base, but a freind of Canada to the public. First he trashed Bush, now he trashed Obama. No wonder Obama didn't invite him to Washington and he had to do it on his own. How embarrassing.

Richard J. Brennan
OTTAWA BUREAU

OTTAWA – In a speech meant for sympathetic ears only, Prime Minister Stephen Harper blamed Canada's economic woes on "unconservative" U.S. consumers, chided President Barack Obama's economic policies and complained the courts and government are full of liberals.

Speaking to a crowd of conservatives, Harper warned that liberals are lurking everywhere, and that the Liberal party can't be trusted to run Canada again. ( It seems he knows Canadian very well)

[updated Sat Mar 14 14:46:43 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 14:46

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

New government website all about Harper image, not your jobs or assitance to the unemploted.

Site tracking stimulus spending a bad idea
Chantal Hébert

OTTAWA—To survey Prime Minister Stephen Harper's collection of understated ties, the website the federal government opened this week to apprise Canadians of its progress in fighting the economic crisis is a good place to start.

Its home page features no less than five pictures of Harper and he is sporting a different tie on four of them.

In less politically mature countries, it could be construed as an effort to substitute a cult of the personality for solid policy dialogue. Here, it is just the latest silly production of a muddled Conservative brain trust.

Every link leads to more pictures of the Prime Minister.

While the website offers no tools to evaluate the breadth of the government's progress, it does provide a revealing glimpse into the current mindset of the Conservative brain trust and the growing internal concern over the loss of Harper's leadership edge over his Liberal competition.

Since the new year, Michael Ignatieff's ratings have been going up steadily and Tory strategists have been obsessing over the necessity to find a way to turn back the tide.

So far, they have come up empty. With its unsubtle insistence on showcasing the government as a one-man show and its emphasis on pictures over words, this website will not advance the issue.

[updated Sat Mar 14 14:47:51 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 14:47

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper a Zero on environment, again

BILL CURRY
From Saturday's Globe and Mail
March 13, 2009 at 11:56 PM EDT

OTTAWA — The Conservative government plans dramatic cuts to the number of projects that require federal environmental assessments, triggering accusations that Ottawa is abandoning its environmental duties under the banner of economic stimulus.

[updated Sat Mar 14 14:48:25 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 14:48

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Notce Harper supporters have no quotes. They can't find any media that supports there pitiful attempts to shore up his losses. He is going down because of his dirty tactics and not levelling with the public. People are sick of him.

The Harper trash machine is now religated to using Standing Orders in the House in a feeble attempt to do a character assassination of the Leader of the Opposition, instead of serving their constituants which is what it is meant for. They can't attack their policy. because it is theirs. Their desperation is palpable.

[updated Sat Mar 14 14:59:18 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 14:59

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Hope-nope5_thumb Canadian (Suspended)

The level and amount of desperation followed by the NEED to post in excess of 5 posts daily are reflected in the demoralized liberals.

October 2008 26% POP worst in 100 years.
Signed Accord to steal power with the Bloc.
Running from their Campaign Promises of the Green Shift Carbon Tax of $ 70 Billion in a balanced budget.
$ 2-6 million in debt and now Iggy is forced to run a PBS level fundraiser or 76 liberals will not have their Riding nomination protected.

The Liberals DO NOT have 400 regular donors per riding!! No grassroots.

Liberals are still playing games in Ottawa. Shame on them.

The WEST and Rural vote is gone, now women and visible minorties are leaving the morally bankrupt party.

[updated Sat Mar 14 16:51:46 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 16:51

14 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Desperation is shown in the lack of press quotes to back up the Harper BS. All this negative media and bad poll numbers are clearly making one of Harper's employees nervous on this blog.

The Conservative party's inevitable downfall
Michael Kocheff Mar 04, 2009

Michael Kocheff tells us why Harper's Conservatives are on the verge of falling apart.

Despite the strong shows on television, the Conservatives are in trouble. Personally, I’m not predisposed to either major party. I must say, however, that something is wrong with this loose amalgam of individuals who refer to themselves as the Conservative Party of Canada. They’ve managed to win my support in the past two elections. Each time, however, I’ve grown more reluctant. Something is off; Canadians can sense it and I think the party base is starting to sense it too.

Harper is trying his best, after weeks of rather Liberal policy-making, to shore up the hard-line Conservative base.He knows that the giant $20 billion stimulus package was a sell-out to Conservative values. So he is clinging to what Conservative policies remain.The constant vacillation is starting to look foolish. Canadians are letting him know their feelings, too. Harper’s leadership numbers have been on a steady decline.

The Conservatives have tried emphasizing the fact that they do have strong cabinet. Neither the media nor the public believed them. For good reason, too; this party has been advertised as a one-man show. Now they’re telling us it just isn’t that way. Don’t buy the logic. This party is the party of Stephen Harper. He is the metaphorical dam holding back the floodwaters.

Perspective is completely lacking in the Conservative Party. Over the past few months Canadians have found themselves unable to comprehend or connect with Ottawa. Of course the Conservatives will try to tempt the new Liberal leader Michael Ignatieff. They’ll bash his personality and hope he returns the favour, never mind policy discussion. A foolish mistake, given that Conservative policies are not inherently bad policies. Michael Ignatieff is no fool, though. He has in his possession what Harper pines for; a fresh start. He wasn’t front and centre during the most recent conflict, and his cabinet, unlike Harper’s, appears to be strong. His leadership numbers, also unlike Harper’s, are on the rise.

The Conservatives have yet to face a strong opposition; Paul Martin and Stéphane Dion, for different reasons, both came across as weak.

[updated Sat Mar 14 17:19:15 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 17:19

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Sell out Harper, the truth hurts.
Stephen Harper: Conservative in name only?
By Harvey Yang
Issue date: 3/12/09

Yes, I know what you're thinking: I must be on crack. That is the only logical explanation for me to go out and question the conservativeness of our Prime Minister. This is the man who voted against establishing the National Firearms Registry as an MP, who opposes gay marriage, and once referred to Canada as "a Northern European welfare state in the worst sense of the term." His idea of tax reform is tax cuts (sound familiar?) and his government has largely ignored Canada's commitment to the Kyoto Accord.

Yet something happened last Sunday that made me wonder what Mr. Harper's true colours are - and it came from the strangest of places. On March 1st 2009, our Prime Minister was a guest on Fareed Zakaria GPS - a political talkshow only CNN-aholics like me know or care about. In the beginning, I almost passed out laughing when Fareed lauded our Prime Minister for helping Canada be the only country in the developed world to have neither a bank failure nor a bank bailout. (Anyone would know that the bulk of the credit goes to former PM Paul Martin and his work as Finance Minister under Jean Chretien, but that is a discussion for another day.)

But it was when Mr. Harper opened his mouth that things really got interesting. When asked about Canada's "secret" to largely avert a recession, Mr. Harper responded by bashing deregulation in the financial sector, saying it would, "lead to pyramid selling and all kinds of equivalent problems."

What? Harper believes in something called "rules"? Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this coming from the same guy who as an Alliance MP criticized then-Finance Minister Paul Martin for not adopting the deregulatory practices of the US? Is this coming from the same guy who said Alberta should deregulate their publicly-funded healthcare system? And now he's preaching about the necessity of regulation?

Then Fareed asked for our Prime Minister's opinion on how to solve the world financial crisis. Harper's response: "Fiscal stimulus measures right now are essential…you have no choice but to have the government move in, absorb those funds and put them to work." I don't know about you, but this sounds eerily like the words of (liberal) President Barack Obama, and FDR before him. Funny, because Mr. Harper criticized the Liberals for their "wasteful government spending" and opposed the federal government's redistributions from wealthy regions to less affluent ones - maybe the reduced profitability of the tar sands has something to do with it.

[updated Sat Mar 14 17:22:45 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 17:22

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

CPC internal fighting. Conservatives selling what they don't believe in.

By Andrew Mayeda, Canwest News ServiceMarch 13, 2009

In Canada, some conservatives have accused the Stephen Harper government of abandoning its principles in introducing a budget that will plunge the country into a $34-billion deficit in the fiscal year, starting next month. Their frustration was recently captured in a column in Maclean's magazine by Andrew Coyne, in which Coyne argued the Conservatives had "finish(ed) off what remains of conservatism in Canada."

Manning acknowledged the downturn has provoked a debate on the right between free markets and government intervention — a debate he hopes will end in less, not more, government. But he argued the conservative movement has not suffered nearly as much as it has in the United States, where Republicans have been soul-searching since Barack Obama's victory in this fall's presidential election.

The question among conservatives, however, appears to be how much the government should involve itself in "tempering" the freedom of individuals and business. Tom Long, one of the architects of former Ontario Premier Mike Harris's "common-sense revolution" during the late 1990s, said conservatives needed to stop pretending to be Liberals and drifting toward the centre.

"Conservatives are often their own worst enemies. We have an internal debate going on in our heads, where we basically self-censor," said Long. "We've tried going out and selling things we don't believe in. How's that working?"

[updated Sat Mar 14 20:20:59 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

14 Mar 20:20

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

asd99

Oops.. Harper goofed again. Or is he purposely misleading everyone?

Apparently Mr Harper forgets who has been in power in the USA for the last 8 years.... NOT Democrats, right wing ideolog CONSERVATIVE bible thumpers. The US economy tanked under an ARCH CONSERVATIVE regime folks (loosen those Bank regulations), NOT under Mr Obama. The senate was controlled (until very recently) by CONS too. Liberals didn't tank the economy, deregulation/no regulation of the stock/money markets is to blame and CONS led the "less government" and "less regulation" charge. Look what happened to Ontario under Flaherty's cohorts! The provincial tories left office leaving an almost 4 BILLION deficit, in good times! CONS spend like drunken sailers! So do Liberals, but CONS cannot claim the high ground here. They were in charge during the last two MAJOR recessions (Harper and Mulroney, Bush and Bush). And Flaherty constantly brags about our banking system regulations that were implemented by Paul Martin.

[updated Sun Mar 15 06:41:23 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

15 Mar 06:41

4 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper wrong on economy. His assessment of the crisis off the mark again

Bruce Campion-Smith
OTTAWA BUREAU CHIEF

OTTAWA – "As G20 finance ministers met yesterday to co-ordinate a global response to the recession, the governor of the Bank of Canada warned that Canada's economic recovery will be 'delayed.'"

Also, the new spin term from the Harperbunker is to to call Liberals "the fanatical left." Talk about desperation. I thought last week they said Ignatieff was more right than Harper. can't make up their minds. They are floundering badly and will say anything, no matter how ridiculous. Harper has to go before he strips the party of what little dignity it has left.

[updated Sun Mar 15 14:56:42 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

15 Mar 14:56

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

syld (suspended for inappropriate remarks)

"Instead of looking for a strong, well-connected lieutenant and broadening his circle of Quebec advisers, Mr. Harper naively thought he could handle Quebec himself and that his goodwill gestures toward the province would do the rest. He's now reaping the results of his own delusion."

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090313.wcogagnon16/BNStory/specialComment/home

Delusional... a word used more and more to describe the Harper government.

[updated Mon Mar 16 06:51:43 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

16 Mar 06:51

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper hypocracy in print. He says one thing to voters one day, another privately to his base and back again for the voters two days later to cover it up.

He brags about cooperation with Obama at February visit.
19 February 2009
Ottawa, Ontario http://pm.gc.ca/eng/media.asp?id=2432
President Obama and Prime Minister Harper vow joint effort on North American economic recovery

Stephen Harper trashes Obama three days ago behind closed doors.
By The Canadian Press
Published: March 13, 2009 2:36 PM
Harper attacks Liberals, Obama in private speech to conservatives

Harper has Flaherty side with Obama liberal policy yesterday to cover it up.
Reuters March 15, 2009
Flaherty particularly praised the administration of U. S. President Barack Obama, saying it has shown a willingness to deal with problems in the country's financial system.
Reports had surfaced of a growing divide between Europe and the United States.
The U.S. has been a strong advocate of more spending by European countries, which, for their part, have been urging greater regulatory control.

[updated Mon Mar 16 09:58:33 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

16 Mar 09:58

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

4Alberta

We in Alberta vote conservative as a rule. Normally that is a good thing. But now we should consider a leader change to someone who is a real conservative. Take a look at what Harper says and compare them to what he does! A few obvious examples - make it illegal to run a deficit, or pass legislation requiring fixed election dates are the two obvious ones. What happened to spending under Mulroney - and what party did he represent. Look at government surpluses under Martin as finance minister, and how they've been frittered away by the narrow focused neo-cons. The mantra of lower taxes as a sinecure just doesn't fly - taxes in the U.S. are far lower and look at their deficit and economy. Harper's only attribute is effectively skewering the Liberals, and too many fools with a hatred for the Liberals are blinded by the disaster that Harper actually is.

[updated Mon Mar 16 10:29:52 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

16 Mar 10:29

4 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper the propaganda robot has no vision (that he will talk about)

A string of announcements does not make a political vision
JEFFREY SIMPSON
From Tuesday's Globe and Mail
March 17, 2009 at 12:00 AM EDT

This morning, Defence Minister Peter MacKay will make an "announcement" (in the words of a press release) in Shearwater, N.S. A week of sprinkling defence spending announcements across Canada was not invented by Mr. MacKay and this Prime Minister's Office. It's part of the politicking and pork-barrelling that accompany all defence spending, regardless of government.

Last week, Stephen Harper gave a "speech" on the economy. His staff wanted reporters to know that he had written it himself. It was stylistically, therefore, a reflection of Mr. Harper: straightforward, a recapping of things already announced and a shot at the opposition. Substantively, it was somewhat more wide-ranging than his usual speeches that, when parsed, are really announcements.

A few days later, in Southwestern Ontario, we had the normal Harper fare: a prefabricated backdrop, a selected crowd, an "announcement" about labour training programs the government had already announced in the budget. This was the usual Harper pattern: an "announcement" of what has already been outlined, or a repetition of known government policy.

Nobody ever left a Stephen Harper speech, except perhaps for his most fervent partisans, ready to rethink anything and to adjust to new challenges, or feeling really good about their country. A check list of government policies, yes. An announcement, or rehashing of a previous one, yes. A pretty backdrop for the television cameras, yes. But inspiration, excitement, commitment, passion, sorry.

It's all so pre-fabricated, utilitarian, devoid of passion. It's the politics of control that permeates Ottawa and makes fearful everyone who is supposed to give out information but is afraid to do so.

There's no point complaining about this way of communicating, because it comes right from the top. It's the way the Prime Minister wants things, and no one deviates from script. It's flat and uninspiring, one announcement after another. It hasn't worked yet in building a bond between the leader and the voters. But he's comfortable with this style, because it reflects him, and so it won't change.

[updated Tue Mar 17 10:25:56 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

17 Mar 10:25

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

New Angus Reid Poll

Conservatives retain small lead, but slip 3% from last poll by Angus Reid. Liberals gain 2%

[TORONTO – Mar. 17, 2008] – "The governing Conservative Party holds a small advantage in Canada and the Liberal Party has gained support in the seat-rich province of Ontario, a new Toronto Star / Angus Reid poll has found.

In the online survey of a representative national sample, 35 per cent of respondents (-3) say they would vote for the Tories in the next federal election, followed by the Grits with 31 per cent (+2), the New Democratic Party (NDP) with 16 per cent (-2), the Bloc Québécois with 10 per cent (+2), and the Green Party with seven per cent (+2).

A third of Canadians (34%) say their opinion of Harper has worsened."

The high western numbers skew the results to look better than they are. Dump Harper and the numbers will go up in Ontario and Quebec. Can't win without Ontario and Quebec and he is very unpopular in both. Conservatives are not unpopular, just their leader.

Mulroney/Schreiber starts up again in April. Sure to impact Harper's bad scores further.

[updated Tue Mar 17 13:19:35 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

17 Mar 13:19

2 replies so far. Join this conversation.

Jack

Harper popularity shows cracks in West among farmers.

BRIAN LAGHI
From Monday's Globe and Mail
March 1, 2009 at 9:18 PM EDT

OTTAWA — The Harper Conservatives aren't accustomed to losing elections in Western Canada. But that's just what happened three months ago when Prairie farmers rejected one of the bedrock principles that helped build the conservative movement more than 20 years ago.

Farmers sent a sobering message to Tories who want to end the Canadian Wheat Board's monopoly on selling Canadian grain. Four of the five seats up for grabs on the 15-member board stayed with pro-monopoly candidates despite a vigorous effort by Tory backbench MPs. Tories speculate that farmers feared the elimination of the monopoly would harm their livelihood.

“Oh yeah for sure,” said Saskatchewan farmer Sam Magnus, a former Reform Party member and one of the losing candidates. “Farmers believe that government guarantees would protect them no matter how low the price of grain fell.”

The election is one of the starkest examples of how Stephen Harper's brand of laissez-faire conservatism is being swept aside by Canadians' increasing demands for protection from the faltering economy.

After years of pushing for smaller government and market deregulation, Mr. Harper now presides over one of the most rapid government expansions in modern Canadian history. The Conservatives have extended welfare-state entitlements such as Employment Insurance, are spending money on training and funnelling cash into the auto sector.

“New questions are emerging of what is the role of the state,” said Joe Garcea, a political studies professor at the University of Saskatchewan. “We're basically at stage one.”

Prof. Garcea said farmers who may want to leave the security of the Wheat Board and sell their grain on their own may not be so enthusiastic in such risky times.

“I think the arguments of those who feel the Wheat Board provides the kind of collective clout to be provide greater stability are going to find it easier to make their argument now than they did a few years ago,” he said.

A number of Tory MPs, including David Anderson, the parliamentary secretary for agriculture, used their considerable influence to persuade farmers to elect candidates sympathetic to their cause. Mr. Anderson and others wrote directly to farmers asking them to end the monopoly.

But as the campaign wore on – and the economy got worse – Wheat Board supporters such as the National Farmers Union pointed out that getting rid of the monopoly would mean the end of guaranteed returns for farmers.

“The Canadian Wheat Board was designed to minimize risk in exactly these kinds of circumstances,” said a flyer mailed out by the union before the vote. “Because it has government-guaranteed payments and borrowings, farmers can count on getting paid by the CWB.”

University of Waterloo political scientist Peter Woolstencroft said the Tories will have a problem marrying their laissez-faire philosophy with the alarm Canadians currently feel.

“The Conservatives have a big problem, it seems to me,” said Prof. Woolstencroft, a long-time chronicler of the party. “They know that people are damn worried, and they're not going to be happy with ‘Let's let things work themselves out.'”

He warned however, that, if the Tories intervene too much, they could lose what makes them different from the Liberals.

“The differentiation, as I see it now is ‘We will do a better job of handling the very difficult challenges that lie ahead. We're better at running things, we're better at balancing things. But we don't have an agenda, or any restructuring of Canada in mind other than surviving.'”

Tories themselves acknowledge they have included items in their recent budget that might not have been there before the economic crisis hit. The government has set aside cash, for example, to train aboriginals to cope with expected cuts in the oil patch.

[updated Tue Mar 17 14:30:51 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

17 Mar 14:30

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

B**tO**Harper [suspended for multiple aliases)

"This country will not go into recession next year.'
- Prime Minister Stephen Harper (Oct. 10)

Harper is either a big [EDITED BY MODERATOR] or the [EDITED BY MODERATOR] PM we have ever had. Likely both.

[updated Wed Mar 18 16:15:33 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

18 Mar 16:15

4 replies so far. Join this conversation.

syld (suspended for inappropriate remarks)

"When Harper first came to power, his most vocal critics were groups that were ideologically predisposed to hate the Conservatives on sight or who had irreconcilable policy differences with them. But, since then, the circle has been expanding to include academics, scientists, economists and even business leaders and, increasingly, it is the basic competence of the government that is becoming the top-of-mind issue."


http://www.thestar.com/Canada/Columnist/article/605360

Drum rolls please and Harper exits LEFT

[updated Fri Mar 20 06:22:37 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Mar 06:22

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

Jack

Yet another Harper Minister considers jumping ship. This one is very surprising.
They are lining up to leave.

PC family ties complicate Ontario leadership race

CAMPBELL CLARK
From Friday's Globe and Mail
March 20, 2009 at 5:13 AM EDT

OTTAWA — Supporters of federal Human Resources Minister Diane Finley are testing the waters for a possible run for the leadership of Ontario's Progressive Conservatives, raising a new prospect that family ties from the provincial race could make waves in Stephen Harper's Conservative Party in Ottawa.

At the same time, Ontario Provincial Police Commissioner Julian Fantino has called some Ontario Tory organizers to see if he would have support if he ran, Conservative insiders say.

Neither has yet mounted the kind of organized team that front-runner Tim Hudak has set in place to replace John Tory.

But a bid by Ms. Finley, whose husband Doug Finley is Mr. Harper's powerful campaign manager, would add a new wrinkle to a provincial contest that holds the potential to create rifts among federal Tories.

[updated Fri Mar 20 06:47:16 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Mar 06:47

No replies yet. Join this conversation.

syld (suspended for inappropriate remarks)

Tory gunslingers:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20090320.wgun20/BNStory/politics/home

[updated Fri Mar 20 17:55:01 -0400 2009]

Reply to Comment

20 Mar 17:55

No replies yet. Join this conversation.