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New Nanos National Poll - CP, 32%, LP 30%, NDP 20%, GP 10%, BQ 9%
The first post election poll by Nanos Research shows a tightening of the margin between the Conservatives and the Liberals. The initial change may suggest that the Prime Minister’s comments relating to a possible deficit may not necessarily be resonating well among core Conservative supporters in Western Canada. The Dion resignation may have made the Liberals a temporary parking spot for disaffected Conservatives.
The detailed tables with the regional sub-tabs and methodology are posted on our website at: http://www.nanosresearch.com.
Methodology
Polling between November 11 and November 15, 2008. (Random Telephone Survey of 1,000 Canadians, 18 years of age and older). A survey of 1,000 Canadians is accurate to within 3.1 percentage points, plus or minus, 19 times out of 20.
Ballot Question: For those parties you would consider voting for federally, could you please rank your top two current local preferences? (Committed Voters Only - First Choice)
The numbers in parenthesis denote the change from the Federal Election.
Committed Voters - Canada (N=865, MoE ± 3.4%, 19 times out of 20)
- Conservative Party 32% (-6)
- Liberal Party 30% (+4)
- NDP 20% (+2)
- Green Party 10% (+3)
- BQ 9% (-1)
(*Note: Undecided 14%)
Committed Voters - Western Canada (N=299, MoE ± 5.7%, 19 times out of 20)
- Conservative Party 38% (-14)
- Liberal Party 27% (+11)
- NDP 23% (+1)
- Green Party 13% (+5)
(*Note: Undecided 14%)
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Honestly - i think conservative supporters just don't answer telephone polls as ... more
Foxer (British Columbia) 19 Nov 16:51
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gohabs1 (Suspended for inappropriate post) (Ontario) 19 Nov 17:26
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gohabs1 (Suspended for inappropriate post) (Ontario) 19 Nov 16:46
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gohabs1 (Suspended for inappropriate post)
Well well it appears that Canadians are having second thoughts about Harper and his band of incompetent clowns. The very fact that Liberal supporters sat on their hands in the last election was of some comfort to me because they didn't and couldn't vote for Harper or lyin Jack, the greens, etc.
And with the Libs getting a NEW LEADER they should get lots or press while the economy goes down the tubes from Tory mismanagement.
I believe the Libs will try and topple the cons b/f the end of this year.
[updated Wed Nov 19 16:46:50 EST 2008]
19 Nov 16:46
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Foxer
Honestly - i think conservative supporters just don't answer telephone polls as much between elections. This is about what we saw from nic's numbers just before the election - where suddenly they jumped up and stayed fairly high thru the election, and now nosedive back to where they've been for a while.
It is interesting to note that almost every pollster missed calling this election badly.
I think that there's going to have to be a serious rethink about how we conduct polls to gain better accuracy. I have seen absolutely zero increase in liberal support around here, nor have i heard of any anywhere else, nor is there really an event that would tend to suggest there should be (other than dion quitting, which admittedly might bump them up a bit. The guy was an albatross around their neck).
Something's changed, and we're just not seeing the kind of accuracy we used to. Perhaps voters are just more volitile, or perhaps more people refuse to take polls.
[updated Wed Nov 19 16:51:07 EST 2008]
19 Nov 16:51
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gohabs1 (Suspended for inappropriate post)
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081118.weconomy19/BNStory/politics/home
"OTTAWA — Jim Flaherty may be set to become the first federal finance minister in nearly 40 years to oversee a return to budget deficits,"
IHS Global Insight Canada managing director Dale Orr said Mr. Flaherty and the Conservatives should have taken better precautions against a deficit, noting they cut some rainy-day cushions and drove program spending up 13.8 per cent in their first two years.
It's also hard to find an economist who supports the Conservatives' decision to forgo $11-billion of annual revenue and cut the goods and services tax by two points, instead of using that fiscal room for productivity-enhancing, broad-based income-tax cuts.
That notwithstanding, Mr. Orr said, he believes Mr. Flaherty “is certainly the best person in the Conservative cabinet to be the finance minister.”
"If Ottawa runs a deficit in the 2009-2010 fiscal year, as bank economists have predicted, it will be the first in 13 years. It will also be the first time Ottawa has slid into the red from a surplus since 1970-1971.
That's despite the fact that Mr. Flaherty – a soldier in Mike Harris's Common Sense Revolution – declared several times this year that he wouldn't be the finance minister who oversees the return of deficits."
[updated Wed Nov 19 17:26:02 EST 2008]
19 Nov 17:26
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hollinm
gohabs1...
Mr. Harper and his government did not put the money in their pockets and run (like some Liberals). They gave the money back to Canadians whether you agree or not with how it was done. That's where it rightfully belongs.
Harper nor any other leader in the free world knew or expected the U.S. financial system to collapse and the resulting repercussions through the world economies. We were doing quite well thank you very much before the collapse of the U.S. economy.
Of course the rear view is always hindsight which is what all Liberals like to peer through when they are not the government. For years they refused to give taxpayers a break and Harper did what he promised and was elected on.
I trust Harper to manage the economy and if you really want a surplus he could hack and slash like Paul Martin did. Would that make you happy?
[updated Wed Nov 19 18:10:45 EST 2008]
19 Nov 18:10
Foxer
Yeah. We COULD just slash health transfers like paul martin did and pretend we solved the problem. But really - is that the best choice?
[updated Wed Nov 19 20:21:54 EST 2008]
19 Nov 20:21
RonaldODowd
Since it is not politically expedient to raise revenues by hiking taxes (including consumption taxes) that is precisely what lies down the fiscal road.
Flaherty will have no choice but to slash and burn, a la Paul Martin, in fiscal year 2010-11. It isn't a question of IF -- it remains only a matter of WHEN...
God help whomever is PM when the shit hits the fan.
[updated Wed Nov 19 21:20:23 EST 2008]
19 Nov 21:20
Foxer
Oh i doubt that will be quite accurate. There's a lot the cpc can do to reduce costs and run a small temporary deficit with the expectation of the beginnings of a recovery in 2010 - 2011. There's still a fair bit of fat that can be cut from gov't programs before we have to even think about reducing transfers to the provinces.
The market will hit bottom within the next 3-6 months, and probably closer to the 3 than the 6. Companies and industries will begin to adapt. Then there'll be a fair period of 'flatline', where things don't really get much worse but don't get a whole lot better. And then we'll see the beginnings of some slow, steady improvement By 2010 -11 the gov't will likely be in a position to announce that they're recovering, and if not in the black yet they will be by the end of the year. 2011 will see recovery growth.
The fact is canada is not doing all that bad yet, and most likely won't do that bad over all compared to other economies. Times will be harder than we're used to, but not that bad.
If the gov't plays it's cards right, we will weather this fairly decently and get by. And our road to recovery is going to be a lot shorter than the American's for example.
[updated Wed Nov 19 22:01:53 EST 2008]
19 Nov 22:01
hollinm
Foxer...I hope you realized by comments were being facetious. That would be the worse thing the government could do.
[updated Wed Nov 19 22:13:18 EST 2008]
19 Nov 22:13
Foxer
oh sure - i was supporting your position to gohabs, a subtle reminder that martin's 'solution' was to simply pass the bill onto someone else and cause great suffering. I don't know that we need to be quite that radical.
Sorry - should've been more clear :)
[updated Wed Nov 19 22:17:08 EST 2008]
19 Nov 22:17
hollinm
Foxer...not a problem. I just wanted to be sure that's all. No offence taken.
Its a real problem for the government and the country particularly what to do with the pecksniffian automakers who believe life should go on as they want and we should just fork over the cash.
[updated Wed Nov 19 23:10:22 EST 2008]
19 Nov 23:10
gohabs1 (Suspended for inappropriate post)
If Harper and his midget finance minister did not see a recession coming then you should be aware that your fellow supporters voted for idiots. The recession has been hanging over our heads for well over a year now. The credit issues and sub prime in the US were wake up calls and the SP issue was out there more than a year ago.
These guys left the cupboard bare and now we need to borrow needlessly from ourselves to buy our way out of the recession when the existing tax base they inherited wold have covered that off.
Paul Martin hacked and slashed to give you the lifestyle you have today. We would have had a 30 cent dollar had he not worked to reestablish our financial credibility. The international agencies and bond rating services were starting to label us a banana republic when Chretien/Martin took office. You seem to forget what it looked like in your rear view mirror. As an ex banker you should know what a lousy credit rating can do to people. Countries are not much different.
[updated Thu Nov 20 07:04:10 EST 2008]
20 Nov 07:04
Rofl, keeping taxes high and spending on Liberal Social Programs like HR boondoggle, Adscam, Gun Registry were very helpful in improving our GDP. Ask the Auditor General how effective the Martin was. Ask him about moving his company offshore to avoid taxes. Keep it up!
Knowing things were slowing down, only 1 party proposed a Realistic election campaign under $ 10 Billion in new spending. Your party, proposed over $ 50 Billion, more than the NDP...ROFL. All parties including the NDP said no deficit..rofl during the campaign. Gotcha x 100. Please predict another Liberal victory.
Yep the Liberals are great fiscal money managers of taxing and spending money on their friends. Christmas is coming are you hoping for a yellow stuffed envelope?
[updated Thu Nov 20 08:17:48 EST 2008]
20 Nov 08:17
hollinm
gohabs1....I have always given Paul Martin and Jean Chretien credit for getting the deficit covered and to begin reducing Canada's debt load.
You are being unfair by suggesting that everybody could see a recession coming (but Canada is not in a recession...yet). The government acknowledged there would be a slow down but nobody but nobody saw the financial implosion coming to the degree that it has. All the major industrialized countries have been impacted and we have been relatively unscathed.
When you say the government left the cupboard bare I would just say they didn't steal the money like the Liberals did they gave tax reductions, sales tax relief, improved the fiscal imbalance, increased transfers to the provinces and changed equalization. You may not agree with it but that was a decision of the government as is their right. The fact is the money has been spent. By the way a $3 billion contingency reserve would not mean much with today's unprecedented situation.
You know calling people names is not very helpful and shows the degree to which you harbour sour grapes.
[updated Thu Nov 20 15:19:10 EST 2008]
20 Nov 15:19
gohabs1 (Suspended for inappropriate post)
hollimn, I am not being unfair by saying they should have seen the recession coming. The issues were out there and most economists were saying it would probably be a hard landing over a year ago. The issue got muddled by stupid tax cuts by conservatives in both countries and only made the current implosion even more pronounced. None of those tax reductions have led to better productivity or more capital spending by businesses. In fact it did the opposite for some reason. The Tories had another chance to address the potential recession when oil spiked to $150 BBL. They should have added more taxes at that level to slow down or neutralize the price growth in Canada. Excess profits don't always get taxed properly. Our commodity was way too overheated and every sane economist will tell you that the fall becomes harder the higher things go on speculation.
Further proof of poor cons management is the fact we have had less inflation and better GDP growth in both Canada and the US when governed by Liberals and Dems. My logic tells me we will suffer and watch the US get out of its mess while we stand and watch with the simpletons we have in charge. Flaherty continues to say stupid things that simply amaze me...like selling crown properties in a down market.
[updated Thu Nov 20 15:34:40 EST 2008]
20 Nov 15:34
hollinm
gohabs1... You know you really have to get over the fact that the Liberals lost the election and it will be some time b4 they get back in power.
I would suggest to you that if Harper and Flaherty had not done the tax cut thingy we would have been hurt more quickly and more severely. Why else do we still have low unemployment, low inflation, relatively good house prices etc. etc? We are in a much better position than a lot of other economies. I know those damn Conservatives don't know what they are doing right.
The accerlated capital cost allowance was certainly good for manufacturers such that the government was being asked to extend it to continue to assist the mfg. sector.Unfortunately mfgers are being hit hard by the slow down in the U.S. Nobody expected including all the experts that the U.S. economy would implode.
Liberals increase taxes but Conservatives believe in lower taxes and allowing the free market to operate with minimal interference by government. Unfortunately as soon as there is a problem they all come whining to the federal government for handouts.
With the amount of stimulus that is being injected into the world economies watch for commodity prices to begin moving up again and then we will have to worry about inflation etc. I predict mid 2009.
Are you suggesting a windfall profit tax should have been imposed? Dion didn't even know what that was when asked during the election just like he didn't know what car pool lanes were. I guess it was like asking Nato to invade Pakistan.
Once again you want to blame the Conservatives for the world wide economic problems. We are a victim of the global credit crisis. It is unprecedented and everybody is trying to navigate as best they can. It has nothing to do with how well the Conservatives are managing the economy.
If the Liberals are so great and everybody saw the recession coming but Harper why would Dion and his misguided flunkies propose $40 billion in new taxes with some $15 billion in wealth re-distribution programs under the guise of an environmental plan? Can you imagine the economic turmoil for the country if he had won? This was their platform while still arguing we were heading for a deficit and recession. It does not compute but is sure shows how Liberals think.
[updated Thu Nov 20 22:51:31 EST 2008]
20 Nov 22:51
gohabs1 (Suspended for inappropriate post)
Hollimn, I would bet that there is no surplus right now and that Flaherty is holding off on more bad news until a little later on. Their tax receipts are going vertically down right now due to a collapse of commodity prices. Even the $4BB windfall won't save their butts.
http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081120.wdeficits1120/BNStory/Business/home
[updated Thu Nov 20 11:19:36 EST 2008]
20 Nov 11:19
Foxer
It seems pretty likely they'll go into deficit, if not this year than next. They could of course avoid that - but it would mean either raising taxes, or downloading to the provinces the way the libs did by slashing transfers. Both are very negative things to do in a downturn economy.
The provinces are already hurting, especially ontario. Ontario is on the hook for many billions of dollars if gm closes it's doors or seeks creditor protection due to a deal bob rae signed back in 92. And their revenues as we know are already in the crapper.
Raising taxes just slows down the economy even more. The only reason we didn't get hit as hard as the states in the first place was our lower taxes and gst keeping consumer spending high.
I suspect the deficits will be smaller than the estimates suggest (especially the 2009/10 one, kind of too late this year to be doing much about it but they can do something for next year). But every province and economist is begging for them not to stay in the black at ANY cost. It would just make things worse - this world economic collapse is turning out to be deeper than even last months predictions were suggesting. It's likely going to last for 2 or 3 years and there's little that can be done to change that, all we can do is minimize the damage.
[updated Thu Nov 20 12:45:51 EST 2008]
20 Nov 12:45
hollinm
gohabs1....speculation my friend, speculation my friend.
[updated Thu Nov 20 15:27:57 EST 2008]
20 Nov 15:27
gohabs1 (Suspended for inappropriate post)
not really speculation;just a good nose.........remember Flaherty lied to Ontarians sevferal years ago and told us we had a $1.5BB surplus and when the Libs opened the books thye found a $5BB deficit. Flaherty will do it to us again. Watch and see.
[updated Thu Nov 20 15:46:26 EST 2008]
20 Nov 15:46
hollinm
gohab1...That is an utter lie and you know it. McGuinty knew there was a $5 billion deficit. He talked about it thru the whole election campaign.
Read Mike Harris's column today in the National Post where he sets the record straight. McGuinty is a prolific spender and talk about somebody who should have known what was coming down the road given the layoffs being experienced in the manufacturing sector but your political cousin who is a typical tax and spend Liberal kept on spending like a drunken sailor.
You and the rest of the Liberals say Harper is a one man show and so if Harper doesn't want a deficit there won't be because he is a one man show right. It has nothing to do with Flaherty because Harper makes all the decisions isn't that so?
The government has acknowleged that there will be a deficit and the Budget Officer thought it could be between $4 and $14 billion but he suggested the government should not cut expenses because at less than 1% of GDP it is not worth the aggravation.
However, Flaherty and Harper could do what Paul Martin did and start hacking and slashing provincial transfers, destroy the military, destroy healthcare and cause untold hardship to the poor as a result of provincial cutbacks trying to cover the cuts by Martin. That would be the easy answer and would ensure a surplus in Ottawa but drive every provincial government into deficit. There is only one taxpayer who is not a bottomless pit as you Liberals believe.
While I would prefer the government operate with budget surpluses these are unprecedented times unlike when Martin had a booming economy. Harper will manage the issues effectively and we will be just fine. Much of course to the dismay of the Liberal party.
[updated Thu Nov 20 23:05:04 EST 2008]
20 Nov 23:05
gohabs1 (Suspended for inappropriate post)
hollimn I was here in Ontario and clearly remember the facts of that election. the tories and Flaherty clearly lied about the state of the province's finances.
Paul Martin did not do as you presume. He cut expenses for a couple of years while the economy and his measures took effect. Once the books were balanced from that $44BB deficit ($100BB in today's money) in two years he restored all cuts and then proceeded to add to those transfers. Its only anti liberal types like yourself that ever blame Martin for anything negative. Most intelligent and knowledgeable people give hm credit for being the best finance minister ever.
These are unprecented times and the tories as usual did not anticipate them as the facts were in front of them a year ago.
Dion had stated he would not initiate his plan while the economy was hemmoraging...you conveniently missed that little fact. AS USUAL.
[updated Thu Nov 20 23:29:22 EST 2008]
20 Nov 23:29
hollinm
gohabs1... Once again you misrepresent the facts. Paul Martin took $25 billion from the healthcare system alone and restored only $19 billion...a $6 billion shortfall.
To say he restored all of the cuts and transfers is a blatant lie and you know it. I could go thru the list but don't want to type that much. He never restored military funding.
I have said I give Martin credit for covering the deficit but he also had a $50 billion EI fund that he stole to help cover the deficit. Smoke and mirrors so quit with all the bravado.
Once again you distort the facts Dion said the Green Shift would go ahead no matter what the economy does. Talk about ideology. You missed that little fact AS USUAL.
[updated Thu Nov 20 23:41:12 EST 2008]
20 Nov 23:41
gohabs1 (Suspended for inappropriate post)
Again your anti liberal slant comes through.....he only restored $19BB because he gave more direct transfers to the provinces in other forms. You forgot that little fact.
Of course he didn't restore EVERY cut. Some of the goodies were stupid ones handed out by the incompetent Mulroney gang. Except for Michael Wilson his cabinet was useless.
Martin did not "steal" a UI fund. He deliberately created a surplus so that it could be self sufficient in times like these. The UI account was bleeding money when he intervened and set it straight. He did the same with the CPP money and turned it into an investment money maker so it too could be self sufficient and not be dependent on further taxpayer support.
Your blinders are making you more and more shortsighted.
[updated Thu Nov 20 23:52:39 EST 2008]
20 Nov 23:52
hollinm
gohabs1.
You know as well as I do that the EI fund is only a notional fund. The money goes into general revenues and was used to help cover the deficit. Martin also cut back on the benefits so that less than 40% of those that want to collect EI do not qualify. Your misrepresentations are breathtaking.
So telling me he restored all the cuts was again a misrepresentation of the facts. I won't ask you to tell me which programs established by the "incompetent Mulroney gang" did he not restore. Your fingers would become tired as well; all that typing you know.
[updated Fri Nov 21 00:14:32 EST 2008]
21 Nov 00:14
gohabs1 (Suspended for inappropriate post)
The UI fund is only "notional" in that its not a fully separated fund. However, the government accounts for it as a source of funding for UI.
Martin didn't so much as cut back as reorient the benefits to those in real need of UI and he allocated more to the parental/maternity leave program. You missed that little detail as usual.
I'm not going back to the Mulroney era except to say they were basically destroyed as a party by the time Muldoon had finished collecting his cash from Schreiber.
[updated Fri Nov 21 01:01:06 EST 2008]
21 Nov 01:01
hollinm
gohabs1..
More spin... the fact is the money for the EI fund is in general revenue and has been spent. There is no pot of $50 billion sitting in an account which you realize. Naturally when the government pays out EI payments they write the cheque from the general fund. While it is accounted for the fact is the government used the money to help cover the deficit.
So Martin reoriented EI so much so that only 40% of those who apply for EI qualify. What happens to the other 60% who need EI do? What do they do go to foodbanks, apply for welfare?
I don't mind you living in the past. You can talk about what happened 20 years ago if you like. It serves no purpose though.
You forget that the PC party was ahead in the polls when the election was called in 1993 and because of missteps and mistakes Kim Campbell blew it. As we saw with this campaign, campaigns do matter.
[updated Fri Nov 21 12:01:48 EST 2008]
21 Nov 12:01
ronmack
So a lot of economists do not support the Conservatives GST cuts; millions of Canadian consumers love it.
[updated Wed Nov 19 22:59:20 EST 2008]
19 Nov 22:59
Gohabs is a liberal partisan, who believes any Liberal lies or scandal is okay. Billions lost through fuzzy accounting according to the Auditor General is unimportant.
After all Canada needs more Liberal Friendly Ad agencies to help taxpayers out of this global recession.
[updated Thu Nov 20 08:20:10 EST 2008]
20 Nov 08:20
gohabs1 (Suspended for inappropriate post)
Uninformed you have no clue and can only shoot wildly at anything that moves. Any idiot can do that. You spew garbage
[updated Thu Nov 20 11:21:00 EST 2008]
20 Nov 11:21
gohabs1 (Suspended for inappropriate post)
ronmack, because they are the same ones who can't pay off their Credit card debt either as they live way above their means.
[updated Thu Nov 20 15:47:26 EST 2008]
20 Nov 15:47
Like several of the Liberal Leadership candidates and soon to be bankrupt Liberal Party.
[updated Thu Nov 20 16:00:31 EST 2008]
20 Nov 16:00
gohabs1 (Suspended for inappropriate post)
At least the libs are not intellectually bankrupt.
[updated Thu Nov 20 23:30:22 EST 2008]
20 Nov 23:30
ROFL, based on the last 2 campaigns, lack of platform or vision for Canada only you would make that claim.
They rehashed the promises, National Daycare version 4.0, Richer Fairer Canada is like renaming Window 3.1 and asking the retailer to empty our wallets again so they can build up Ottawa's Yellow Envelope Funds... I mean contingency.
They needed a CPC majority, without it now, they are not better off. They can't rebuild with Iggy/Rae at helm.
Too bad you can't admit it.
[updated Fri Nov 21 07:50:00 EST 2008]
21 Nov 07:50
gohabs1 (Suspended for inappropriate post)
What new ideas has Harper brought to the table in his throne speech. Other than sucking up to the opposition to help remake his own image he's brought nothing to make any of us feel like we are in good hands.
If you were such an expert I would debate you on Iggy/Rae but the political IQ quotient I would have to deal with is not up to snuff.
[updated Fri Nov 21 09:31:48 EST 2008]
21 Nov 09:31
ROFL, as a member of the Chattering Liberal Brain Trust I accept your belief your IQ score entitles you to govern Canada.
That fact Harper has asked for cooperation, asked his party to tone it down, ministers available to the press, asked for SPECIFIC suggestions in cutting government programs from the OPPOSITION is something to be criticized and mocked at. ROFL
I accept that tactic to be repeated completely from the NDP, Bloc and Liberals. It explains the vote on election day. ROFL.
I accept you can't accept a CHANGE in strategy in your "opponent" and will do everything to regain power and criticize. ROFL
You and your chattering intellectuals are simply "outclassed". You are waging an idealogical war with yourself. ROFL
The nutters in Winnipeg don't run the gov't. ROFL
The fact remains, Harper in a minority gov't will succeed AGAIN in getting bills to pass. This time his party will be pre-emptive with the bad news and continue to reach out for consensus. The public will see the opposition scream and jump as always and vote NO. Of course Dion will criticize/cry and ask some liberals not to show up as always. ROFL
The NDP and Bloc are NEVER going to form a gov't and can act childish.
The Liberals ultimately have to keep the CPC in power? A simple NO vote would throw out the (liars, thieves, midget etc) zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz!!!
Don't drop the soap in the shower.....a new CPC program is being announced that the Liberals will be voting very soon.
If they were against any policy in the last 2 sessions a simple NO vote would have worked. Too bad you won't be honest and realize how broken morally, financially, ethically the party is.
Iggy, Rae, Leblanc will be hiding behind the curtain on the votes. The public have already know Iggy/Rae/Leblanc and have voted for the "front bench". Goodluck with the dream team.
I would GLADLY support your party defeating the government on a non confidence motion. The result would allow your party to rebuild from it 40 seat pasting and remove the left leaning nutters.
The final nail is coming when "loans" from wealthy people will not be allowed for campaigns...ROFL. Goodbye Yellow envelopes!
[updated Fri Nov 21 10:19:32 EST 2008]
21 Nov 10:19
“Consumer prices have started to fall in Canada as the economy heads into a recession, increasing the risk of deflation with a six-to-12 month lag over the U.S.,” they said in a note to clients. “The details show that almost every component in the consumer price index declined (not seasonally adjusted) in October, illustrating widespread discounting.”
Inflation drops to 2.6 per cent
http://www.reportonbusiness.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20081121.wcpi1121/BNStory/Business/?cid=al_gam_nletter_maropen
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Le't get the government to go shopping okey dokey? Rofl
[updated Fri Nov 21 10:28:42 EST 2008]
21 Nov 10:28
Lex Llewdor
The GST cuts were a purely political move.
I like the GST. It's a great tax. It encourages saving (by discouraging spending), and it's a visible tax that people actively dislike. The people should hate their taxes, but for the most part they calmly accept taxes. The GST was the first one to turn that around.
It would have made more economic sense to cut payroll taxes (like EI) or income taxes or corporate taxes, but cutting the GST got more votes. And in a minority parliament, EVERYTHING the government does is an attempt to get more votes. This is always true.
[updated Fri Nov 21 14:40:38 EST 2008]
21 Nov 14:40
Foxer