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New Nanos National Poll - CP, 32%, LP 30%, NDP 20%, GP 10%, BQ 9% (2008-11-19)

• Honestly - i think conservative supporters just don't answer telephone polls as much between elections. This is about what we saw from nic's numbers just bef...
• Good point as well. It just doesn't seem to be entirely accurate.
• Yeah. We COULD just slash health transfers like paul martin did and pretend we solved the problem. But really - is that the best choice?
• What website did you THINK you logged into?!?! :) :)
• Oh i doubt that will be quite accurate. There's a lot the cpc can do to reduce costs and run a small temporary deficit with the expectation of the beginnings...
• Heh - the tories are better ad putting people on lists than they are at taking them off, that's for sure. I've certainly found the tories around when I had...
• oh sure - i was supporting your position to gohabs, a subtle reminder that martin's 'solution' was to simply pass the bill onto someone else and cause great ...
• hehehehe - well in some ways Quebec and the west are very similar. In some ways tho we're very different :)
• It seems pretty likely they'll go into deficit, if not this year than next. They could of course avoid that - but it would mean either raising taxes, or down...
• The convention went well - it's been fairly well received. And harper's dealing with the economy so far is also fairly popular. I think another poster was ...
• Well - maybe not PERFECT in a year :) I think we'll have to wait for the rest of the world to recover a bit before that happens. But without a doubt, we'll...
• Lex - you realize that when people save and don't spend our economy dies, right? Cutting the gst encourages spending, and increased consumer spending was n...
• Rich people already know how to avoid gst gohabs. It's not that hard. I get back a lot of gst every year. The poor people do care about the GST - which is ...
• Ahh - i see what you're saying. Mind you - i would argue that most people see their income tax every month when they get their paycheques. A lot of people su...
• There's a strong argument there. With the possible exception of some very high tech stuff that requires a very skilled labor force to build. (nuclear reactor...
• Well - you're not quite being accurate there larryl. He didn't say deficits are essential. He said that deficits will be required IF - note the word if - we ...
• I think you were lucky enough not to blow yourself up as an electrician, high finance might be best left to others :) Actually - Rae just the other day said...
• Because the liberals 'claimed' they knew how to save 12 billion from the budget without cutting services. Harper just said 'hey, if you really do now's the t...
• What the hell do we want with military vehicles? And ships? - how do you turn a land locked auto plant into a shipbuilding facility?
• No larryl - cutting taxes to stave off recessions is actually a PROVEN effective technique. It stimulates the economy tremendously. There are numerous exampl...
• Quite true informed. I see you've hit on most of the stuff i did :) I should have just replied to your post.
• If these people you mention are working right now, then that's good enough during these tough times. Creating jobs that they don't NEED at a time when people...
• You can't just say make-believe things like that - I clearly said i believe in putting cash in the hands of both business AND consumers, not just business. A...
• That's very true. Harper is doing the right things - and with other world leaders turning to canada and listening a lot of other countries are doing the ri...
• It's a very difficult question to answer. I've listened to a lot of people discuss the subject, and my attitude is the best answer is probably both - let the...
• You're quite right larryl. The tax should never have been that high in the first place. They were forced to place it that high by the labour and other gov'ts...
• Larryl, you write: " What is the first thing about economics?I always thought it was that without consumers there was no economy. " Well then you thought w...
• I thought dion WAS their pet rock?
• Sigh. 1 - The high dollar HURT the auto industry. It mean that American prices were cheaper and people brought cars up from the states. American prices wer...
• This isn't a chicken and the egg situation - this is a 'both must exist at the same time' thing. You can have a chicken without an egg. You can have an egg w...
• Yes - bad timing. I don't know how you wind up with these left wing spenders during recessions. Rae and now mcguinty.
• Larryl - print money to pay off WHAT debt??!?! Canada's banks don't have a solvency problem! That's america, not here! Do you mean our national debt?!? - ...
• I cannot believe you're not getting this. This is so simple that most people can understand it at about grade 2. I'll try to explain it one more time. Our ...
• Trickle down works well in a good economy or a mild slowdown. It doesn't work when you actually hit a serious economic slowdown such as a recession or depres...
• Definately part of the issue lex, although there are a few more things gov'ts can do. Cutting taxes is one, new trade agreements and opportunity for business...
• "A courageous Liberal will vote for these measures and stop following the Dion/Iggy trainwreck" Let me know when you find one :)
• Our low dollar. Just a few posts ago it was our high dollar that explained our success. My but you do flip flop. Our commodities are set by world prices. O...
• Doesn't look like we're in recession quite yet :) HEATHER SCOFFIELD Globe and Mail Update November 25, 2008 at 8:56 AM EST Retail sales climbed a stron...
• And yet for you ignorance just seems to make you a bit tetchy. :) Maybe you should try slightly less ignorance and see if that helps :)
• Actually if you review the numbers, cpc and even ndp supporters stayed home in about equal numbers to the libs. And it's pretty apperent that liberals bled...
• Ooops - more good news. And doesn't the 'american' solution look a lot like what harper did a few weeks back with our banks to improve liquidity. :) Coun...
• I guess so - but really one would think that after a while even rats would want a better life than the liberals are providing.
• The liberals will oppose all of them, according to that nutbar dosanj. He has vowed to vote against every cpc vote without exception, along with his 'good fr...
• Well lets see - i predicted the election within one seat for each party. You predicted a liberal victory with the cpc at 88 seats wasn't it? I think it's sa...
• Trust me - having to explain the basics to someone who thought the libs were going to win the last election hands down is embarrasment enough :) I'm hoping i...
• Ever watch that monty python skit 'the argument', where the guy goes in for an argument and all the other guy does is say 'no' when he says 'yes'. Winds up...
• well the cpc already has learned those lessons and is doing largely the opposite. Instead of keeping taxes high and guaranteeing everyone their job with fa...
• Its true lex, but it's too simplistic a way to look at it. The poor get hurt first - but look at the big 'rich' companies. The big three threatening to go br...
• Yes, there is a tendancy to become protectionist during tough times, and it's the single worst thing a country can do in tough times. That's why harper is ou...
• Lookin' that way :) We've still got a bit of a rough road ahead for the next year, but properly managed we'll come out strong.
• Well so far it would seem harper is on your page. The problem with 'only low risk borrowers' is of course that a lot of the population cannot afford to pur...
• I wouldn't bet against you, that's for sure. I don't think it'll be spetacular growth, but i would guess we'll see some growth. It'll depend a little on wh...
• well first off - that's 27 million a year. And that's not chicken feed at all, that's enough money to pay for EI benefits for a hell of a lot of auto workers...
• Harper is the master of the 'heads i win, tails you lose' stratagy. How can people really complain when the CPC will take the biggest hit by far? How can t...
• The consequences for people that age are rather permanent. And some of those 'high risk' ventures have always been considered very low risk. I mean, 'ford'...
• I have to agree. Let them go into bankruptcy, restructure, cut to the bone and come up with a solid business model - THEN if they need a little help to make ...
• True. Fortunately harper is agressively seeking new trade deals and markets, so even if the us is flat, we may experience some new growth and expand into m...
• Agreed. Fake economies did play a huge role in the 30's. However, we don't need to look that far back - it's also what killed ontario under bob rae. We nee...
• It's not small change to the 1500 EI applicants :) And i'd rather fund them for only an additional 2 months of the year instead of 12. So it's all relative...
• His point would be that 'liberal' as it's used today in north america is NOT what it used to mean. And he'd be right. The cpc has given more cash to the pr...
• Perhaps. It does allow individuals to donate more money of course - poor people who can only afford to give up 100 dollars in a year would now be able to spe...
• The libs are toast. There's no way out of this for them. If they go to an election - they'll be arguing that they were right to spend 300 million to guarante...
• Yes, it's obvious that the opposition is desperate for the cash. Sure the CPC knows this is going to hurt them - the libs, bloc and greens moreso than the nd...
• Larryl - they got 76 seats with a full budget and months to prepare their 'green shift'. Now - they will have NO money, still have dion and the green shift w...
• There simply is no way out for the libs. They'll be destroyed no matter what they do.
• I don't think the voters would really like the idea of a bloc ndp liberal coalition. Anything else would be a minority, and we know how that story ends - ...
• Well think about that elf - dion got the worst score for a liberal with a fully funded campaign, time to prepare, and no leadership fight going on. Now - t...
• Larryl - we've been thru your 'giving people money to donate' routine before - and i showed you then it made no mathematical sense whatsoever, and less so no...
• Research has not proven to be one of larryls stronger points. And if it was, he'd note that throughout history ANY country made up of diverse regions with ...
• A lot of those votes he got were people who are sick of the liberals. They're STILL sick of the liberals. He can and likely will get them again. In fact, the...
• And while they're under provincial control, there is nothing stopping the feds from granting money to the provinces to spend on those items in addition to th...
• Well the bloc would be unlikely to be part of a coalition. But the ndp and libs might form one - but then of course it's a minority.
• Oh i'm not arguing that dion might like another chance :) People for weeks have been quietly calling him 'do-over dion', meaning they think he'd love another...
• First off gohabs - there is no such thing as a 'coalition in an election'. So - it's unbeatable only in the sense that it doesn't exist :) Second - pointing...
• ROFLMAO - oh yeah - going to the polls against dion again has me just trembling in my boots :D
• Because there's no money in it and if you get caught you go to jail. People will risk jail for money, but not for NO money. Seriously - DO THE MATH. You ca...
• The economy was NOT booming under mulroney - are you on drugs or something? The economy was in the crapper under mulroney, AND we had a brutally MASSIVE debt...
• I'm asking you - you're the one who brought it up here. If you don't know what you're talking about, maybe you shouldn't talk.
• The americans left it far too late to address. Harper started addressing issues last year. I suspect obama is going to go even further.
• Don't be so thick. The gov't doesn't get to 'pocket' any money the bank of canada makes, and the bank of canada is not where we get the lion's share of our c...
• Could be - tho he hasn't actually GIVEN a date other than 'next budget'. He might announce the date, that's possible. We'll see.
• Money markets are not much better off than any other fund right now, so that's out. I mean - a month ago we were at over a dollar american, and right now we'...
• So first out of the gate - it didn't happen as larryl has claimed several times. I kinda figured he wasn't telling the truth. Seocndly tho lex - It's ill...
• Well that's not entirely accurate lex. If you have 500,000 dollars saved up for retirement after many years of working - even at 5 percent that's 25 grand a ...
• The recession was not short at all in 81. Or more accurately while the recession was short (more than 2 fiscal quarters of negative growth) the recovery was ...
• There's downside and then there's downside. Nobody's talking about giving these people wads of cash or a 'buyout'. they're talking about changing the law t...
• No - if you pay them with the understanding that they donate money it is ILLEGAL. If they choose to donate on their own, that's legal - but that's what th...
• Some specific and very targeted stimulus AT THE RIGHT TIME can be valuable. But you're dead right - massive stimulus that is poorly targeted and broad base...
• There is no doubt - when times are tough people turn to the tories. They're the only ones who can get people out of difficult times. Except of course for t...
• On the contrary, i come up with lots of solutions and manage to get a fair number of them before the gov'ts :) What must be REALLY frustrating is to be in y...
• I doubt you'd understand them - they often involve math and things that happened more than a week ago. Frankly - seeing as you don't seem to remember event...
• Tonnes exist, you just have to look it up. It's very simple. And given what I've seen of your math skills, i expect the real number was more like 9.95 perc...
• It is in keeping with your level of ignorance that you can't see any reason why you should educate yourself. The reason is simple - if you believe what you...
• Still waiting for proof the 80's were a boom time for canada :) hahaha :) Sorry your folks didn't take the time that most normal parents do out this way to ...
• Nonsense. They had deficits, but not like the ndp, and our economy grew instead of becoming a have not province. The ndp did that :) Campbell's right wing go...
• ROFL - 'MAY" have been? Hilarious! Hey i'd let it go if it were your one and only, but we both know you don't take the time to look up ANYTHING before talki...
• What's really hilarious is that obviously you haven't accomplished anything. If you had, you wouldn't be so surprised that others have. And you're supposed...
• It is hardly an 'unreasonable risk'. We're not talking about pork bellies or start up companies here. The stocks taking the hits are long standing, safe 'blu...
• You get the same benefits - you would be able to leave your investments untaxed for another year or two if you wished. Which may well be to your advantage gi...

On the Harper election win (Nanos Sun Column) (2008-11-04)

• Actually - the repeal of the long gun registry is a VERY centrist policy. The repeal of restricted firearms registry wouldn't be but long guns... definitely....
• I tend to agree. You don't correct one big mistake by suggesting we should have 10 little mistakes instead.
• Actually brian mulroney did many things in his first term that were part of his plan to kill the deficit. Some things take more time - free trade for example...
• You also don't have to register your pets unless they are going to be off of your personal property. Take cars for example. We register cars - but you ONLY...
• Well - just a bit of history, we don't use 'fac's any more. The old system had two firearms licenses - a Possession Only License, which allowed you to own ...
• Larryl - the current firearms legislation turns honest people into criminals. Before the CPC brought in the amnesty, it was taking 3 months to process new ...
• Let me tell you a little joke Will, which might shed some light on why people are laughing at you over 'trudeaus legacy'. One morning, trudeau decided to ...
• I'm going to take issue with part of your first statement, the part which suggests that conservatives were more likely to vote. If nik's analysis is right,...
• It gets worse lex - remember that dion had spend all summer - three months - travelling across the country selling the liberal message and the green tax. Non...
• Hooo -kaaaay. Right here we can see what's wrong with the liberal party and their supporters. Roedy - first off if you actually READ dion's plan the numb...
• Agreed for the most part, but i do think he will likely take a crack at the registry again. It has very little public support and many of the opposition live...
• Larryl - nobody'd HEARD about the Green Tax prior to him taking that trip. It's a complete lie on your part to try to suggest it was to 'clear things up' -...
• Well up to a point - it's unlikely the opposition will force an election in the near future, and the CPC needs the continued support of firearms owners. A ra...
• I really have to take serious issue with the idea that if we don't spend money (vs solving problems) then somehow we're a non-progressive society. That is ...
• hehehe - well, while i'm quite pleased to see sask doing well i'm not sure its quite up to global domination yet :) No - not all provinces would pass it. Bu...
• I have heard they've had to lay off 15 people from liberal party headquarters, including 3 senior folk. That's going to have a significant impact. The news...
• Had it just been a liberal loss and not a CPC win, more of the vote would have gone to the NDP. The ndp opposed the Green Tax as much as the CPC did. So if...
• Dion is definitely not helping by staying on. But i doubt it would make much difference. What the liberal party really needed was for the CPC to get a majori...
• Hey Tom, always nice to see you around. I have heard numerous rumours as to why dion stayed, from 'begged to do so to prevent rival factions from gaining a...
• Well, floor crossings are almost inevitable - there's some in almost ALL terms. Can you remember the last HOC where there wasn't one? :) And there are many ...
• Ok - last first and first last. Last - it has become something of a liberal tradition to 'stand by' their viewpoints, and not let truth, common sense or ho...
• This is a double post isn't it? I just replied to that above.
• Yeah - floor crossers have historically been a bit of a mixed bag as a rule. There are people like turner who do badly, but there are success stories too. ...
• The logging industry is slow to get back to work this year - it'll be nov 17 ish before some of the mills start up again. Good to hear that job growth is b...
• Yes - stronger relations will benefit both of them in the long run. And their policies are remarkably similar.
• The big three own a lot of the manufacturing up here tho. If they're stronger, it keeps some of the jobs up here safer. If they collapse, we'll feel it. Un...
• Firearms sports and hunting are already one of the safest sports there is. More people are killed skiing every year. Virtually every other sport has more ser...
• Yeah - you've been singing the blessings of the 'cadman affair' since long before the election. It was going to change people's minds, it was going to save t...
• Deficits are not a bad idea inherently. The devil is in the details. It's not really possible to 'spend your way out of a recession' (as bob rae used to sa...
• Well larryl - i think sometimes when we want to believe something we look for proof that supports it, and perhaps miss proof that suggests something else. ...
• Martin cut health transfers specifically larryl, not just transfers in general. That's what forced harris to cut hospitals, he had no money to do it. Marti...
• Well sure. Canada does have to get rid of some of our more useless internal protectionist thinking and 'set the rigging' of our financial ship for the next 1...
• Well - as i recall (and i'd have to dig up precise figures to be sure) the savings and loan crisis wound up with about 60 - 70 billion in bailouts over its r...
• Yeah - i think they thought that they just had to ask for the money and they'd get it. Doesn't look like it's going to work that way. There was a segment o...

Conservative Victory Propelled by Ontario Voters (2008-10-15)

• I think probably within 3 personally. He may say he'll stay on till the next convention but he'll turn it in. The only way they can 'save' money is for dion ...
• The liberals bled a lot to the ndp and the greens. That's the truth. Jack layton advanced his cause and will be in a good position to build on that next time...
• Yeah, i think it'll take about three days. Either that or he'll force them to have 2 conventions and try to fight it out. The right thing to do for his party...
• Well - i've never heard hedy called a clap-trap before, but now that you mention it..
• Worse, every dollar they do raise is a dollar the federal party didn't get that year. That will really bite into their already inadequate fundraising efforts...
• He could, i supposed. That would certainly be 'payback' for any of those whom he feels didn't fully support him. He may want to leave iggy or rae a little 'g...
• We've already got the strongest economy in the G8 thanks to harper. And the people support the CPC, both in votes and in donations. The people know dion woul...
• Thank you. To whom are you offering your congratulations tho? It would seem to me like the bloc, the ndp and the cpc all might qualify. Unless you just mean ...
• That's true to a degree - but i also know it was the liberals who got us into that mess in the first place. As a point of history, mulroney didn't actually a...
• Sometimes you get lucky :) But that's where the numbers were pointing.
• So - i guess NONE of the pollsters nailed it this time. Looking at strategic, ekos and nanos, they were all reporting very similar numbers. But in this cas...
• lex writes: "I read somewhere (though I dont have a credible citation) that they borrowed $9 million for this campaign." Here's a clip from the news in jul...
• ROFL - my me my - are you STILL angry i got the numbers right and you were WAAAAY off? :) Do the math - it wasn't just liberal voters staying home. They wen...
• Ahh your usual intelligent thinking :) LOL wow - you're ALMOST as smart as dion's advisers :)
• Ohhh i get lucky pretty darn regular :) With a little intelligence and rational thought you can make your own luck more often than not. You on the other h...
• ROFLMAO - I made only one prediction. I showed some seat forcasts based on the numbers of the day a couple of times but that's different. You might as well b...
• Well of course. THe numbers show quite clearly that it wasn't just that the libs 'stayed home'. Obviously many did, but the libs bled to the ndp and the gree...
• Yeah, and newfoundland confunded the pundits and went solid red, while it was expected the cpc would take at least one seat. But the question here is - how...
• His 'timebomb' would be not to resign until the leadership review. That would hurt the libs. What he SHOULD do for the good of the party is announce his re...
• True enough that newfoundland was a surprise to most, and you did call that one. I thought for sure they'd get one seat there.
• Well - your premise assumes there's one group firmly in control and moving forward. I think their problem right now is that there's so many fractures and a l...
• Well we'll see - i imagine folks are talking to him a lot and will over the weekend, but if he hasn't stepped down by monday or so it will start to get prett...
• Oh shut up :) (heh jk! :) ) Really - before we can even get there we need to debate what's going to happen to the liberal leadership (dion stay on or go? If...
• Not a sad day at all. EVERYONE voted - they either chose to mark a name on a ballot or they chose to abstain and leave the decision to others. If you're st...
• I don't know. I don't really think he was 'set up'. I think he's just actually not much of a leader. Management by 'committee' is never a good idea and he s...
• Well your guesses would have been very accurate i think going strictly by the last numbers we saw from most of the pollsters. You weren't far off of ekos's p...
• Well it's hard to argue with you about the 'safe seats' seeing as they lost 'em all :) I suspect that while harper won't go out of his way to harm newfoundl...
• True. If you don't take the time to vote, if you choose to leave it up to others, you really don't have much right to complain about their choice.
• i don't think that the ndp will look to replace layton - i don't think he's a terribly great campaigner and i don't think he can take 'em much farther but th...
• Well it looks like he's going to resign on Monday. I would GUESS he'll stay on till may as the interim leader. Resign but make it effective in may. But who k...
• I agree to be honest - i think jack's style of podium pounding hellfire and brimstone speeches have moved them about as far forward as they can, they turn of...
• Looks like he'll announce it monday and boy is he sure being pounded in the press. They're saying he acted like a 'lone wolf', ignored advisers, etc. Nasty...
• It matters a great deal to the party, and they are the ones pushing the media. It's a matter of millions of dollars they don't have. If they have to have a...
• Informed writes: "I have been hearing rumors May might resign from Greens to run for the Liberal Party" I have to ask... would we really notice a differenc...
• I don't know how much the electorate has to shift - i think the ndp has to simply present itself in a much different light. As i said - the pulpit pounding "...
• We're not going to get 12 liberal defectors. We might see 2 or 3, but that's it. We might take dosanj's seat away from him in the recount, and both indy's wo...
• Rae has serious baggage in ontario. Very serious. And he can forget the west. But he might be able to do something in quebec. I think he'll win the conve...
• Yes, if they are seen as good governers they will likely get a majority. But really it's quebec that's got to crack, not ontario. The cpc will have to work...
• Oh there are strong liberals out there. But it'll be between rae and iggy and possibly frank. Rae will likely win. He's been working on this since he got i...
• heh - well that's true. And more true now than ever, with their support pretty much concentrated there.
• It's not bad at all. First off - the bloc speaks for quebec more than anyone does. And second, the ndp is in parliament too and they got a decent number of s...
• Quebecer's can and will change their minds. We don't need to sweep quebec. Look at richmond out this way - we took that away from the libs and they won by a ...
• Gohabs - it is you who are out to lunch. If anything, it's more true that when times are tough people turn to the tories. We're the only ones who can clean...
• Actually - if you want to see bigots, look at the liberal party. I believe dion actually called alberta a 'cash cow' he wanted to milk. Nice. Or how about tr...
• Yeah - and probably programs that were wasting money in the first place. Plus - we won't likely see the same kind of brutal downloading of costs to the pro...
• Well... SORT of. But the fact is that the ndp always loses - it's not like they've ever won. If they had a full leadership review after every election it wou...
• Well i don't know how 'middle ground' the libs are these days either for that matter. :) Dion's spending and tax program was larger than the ndp's for heaven...
• Ahh - no he didn't. I'm afraid you're the liar. What he said was he couldn't guarantee future budgets wouldn't include a deficit till we see how deep this ...
• hehehe :) wow. Well - makes about as much sense as anything else you say. We'll see if you're right or still batting zero tomorrow :)
• When were we ever really a 'country' in the sense of one big homogenized group? And only ontario looks at decentralization as being somehow 'against' canad...
• LOL - liberals always have an excuse when they do bad ;) It was adscam last time. The 'truth' is that the libs just have nothing to offer. There's really n...
• Ha! Nonsense - there was nothing 'regional' about meech, it simply attempted to get quebec to buy into a Central gov't by giving it various extra perks and b...
• Lost votes - but gained seats :) Frankly i'll take that trade :) Everyone lost seats because voter turn out was low (except the greens, who really didn't...
• Well said.
• heh! That coallition would scare the bejeezuz out of MOST canadians i think :D My final seat projection was done when nik posted his final numbers, Well b...
• Frankly, all very good advice. But i doubt the libs are listening - like dion they're far to arrogant to see the truth of the matter just yet. You'll have to...
• ahh - but then how would he pay his leadership debts? :) They're saying the party is offering to do that for him at the moment if he steps down :) They're ...
• Well - canadian politicians have it a little easier - most gun owners support SOME gun control based on sensible and practical results. For example, most bel...
• Well - bribery in a larger sense of the term perhaps - or extortion depending on your point of view :) But not really from a 'legal' point of view and as yo...
• ooooo :) good point, they're kind of setting precedent. I wonder how the folks who paid their own bills feel about this.
• Hooooo - did NOT see the iggy defection angle coming :) heh. But now that you mention it, its not outside the realms of possibility. Iggy's always been a lot...
• Well the budget will be out before the may convention - it's usually given in march or april at the latest. I expect they'll let dion play 'fall guy' one las...
• Your last line says it all. What they need and what they want are radically different. They don't just NEED a fundraiser - they need to reconnect with thei...
• Well - that of course is why we're not seeing any really big names come to the table. All the potential leaders either have tonnes of baggage or ounces of ex...
• ROFLMAO :) No we don't - we remember because we were the ones who did it when the party needed it :) Now we're laughing watching the libs come apart at th...
• Larryl - you're assuming the undecided didn't go out to vote. Frankly - the evidence is they did in the last day or two, thus explaining a rather sudden jump...
• it's called democracy. The greens never elected anyone and still are perfectly valid to be on the ballot for an election. Democracy means you don't get to ...
• I don't really care what you recall. The PEOPLE are democratic, not the gov't. If the gov't isn't doing it's job - the PEOPLE kick them out. WE run democracy...
• "What do you think they will use?" My guess is " The red bank of canada'. That's about the only way they'll trick people into giving them any money. :)
• Sometimes you have to get torn down to get rebuilt. The libs haven't figured that out. I suspect they have further to fall before they really sit down and th...
• Is this some sort of comprehension problem for you? Democracy means the PEOPLE get to choose - democracy is NOT taking away peoples choices because you don't...
• Liberals may or may not know anything of democracy - but YOU should! I will say this very slowly for you. I believe the liberal party has essentially betra...
• It had little to do with the population of the west being low. It had more to do with the split on the right between the reform/alliance in the west and the ...
• I was very happy and surprised to see the butt-whupping that Mrs Wong gave Mr chan :) I figured she'd win - but i thought it would be close. And of course ...
• Mr Gohabs has been frothing in his pea soup since the election was called :)
• His 'baggage' is a reality check? Hmm - are you sure you understand what those words mean? :) Regardless he's got a point. The libs ARE short of talent that...
• I have no idea who he is. He changes his name here pretty consistantly. But one thing's always true - he's always pissed :)
• I don't think dosanj would run for leader - but he does support rae. And that's not a combination i'd like to see in cabinet. I hope he loses.
• Well we'll find out about dosanj today - i surely would love to see him get the boot. Plus - if he does then my original election prediction of 144 for the c...
• Well they're both ndp retreds, so safe bet the party would move even further to the left. And both are not competent as financial managers, so not really the...
• Well - i'm thinking 'go habs' might be a bit of a givaway :) Clearly, he's not from calgary.
• My money'd be on the gnat.
• Heartburn? Heh - dude, if anything we're just getting sore stomachs from all the laughing :)
• Yep - judge refused to recount all the ballots. He dropped to 22 votes tho :) So - last time he won by 8000 - this time he won by 22. Yeah - THAT isn't a ...
• No - they held on to one they had by the skin of their teeth :) He dropped 8000 votes from last time - the liberals are pretty much done. I told you what...
• Larryl - you have been dishoneset on this site and gohabs has been VERY dishonest. If you made intelligent, honest posts, people would be more interested in ...
• You don't like "lyin brian" - yet you yourself are less than honest here. And you support a party that's famous for it's lying. But you have no comment abo...
• There's nothing 'sad' about the thought of not sharing a country with the likes of you two. But if anything, the liberals brought us closer to breaking up ...
• Well then you think wrong - there's been far more official corruption by the libs. For example - which party used millions of taxpayers money to illegally fu...
• Liberals are liars bud. And you are a liberal. And i understand your childish and uneducated ramblings just fine. It's like reading a dr Seuss book after g...
• ROFL - more liberal lying from our resident liberal 'insider' :D BTW larryl - the bloc is left wing - so there's a party who 'spews' more seperatist crap th...
• Larryl - have you ever wondered why you have such an aversion to hearing the truth? Do you even KNOW what confederation means? You sure don't seem to. We...
• I'm well aware that lying doesn't bother you. It doesn't bother most liberals. You have said you're a die hard liberal. You 'pretend' and 'play' otherwise,...
• ROFL - ohhh dear, are you still trying to defend your buddy and the sad sorry liberal party? How many seats do the cpc have? Is it more than the 88 you sai...
• The party has been found guilty of taking money illegally, and knowlingly doing so. What money they could prove had to be paid back. When was the cpc or an...
• The PC party sure did die after their 'drubbing'. And the libs are going to die just as surely. The libs are corrupt and are liars, and canada is getting s...
• No larryl - it's not my job to go back and repost all your comments. I'm not playing that game with you - it's way too late for you to backpedal now. You mad...
• Oh? The party didn't have to pay back the money? Once again you lie like a cheap rug. http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.canada/2005-...
• No - to be 'liberal lite' they'd have had to also steal cash from taxpayers.
• Ahhh.... no. That's not how it works :) Democracy does cost money unfortunately :) Hey - Harper gave each opposition leader a chance - the election could ...
• Well - to be fair they're not worried about the parliament on the prisoner voting bill, they're worried because it would require a constitutional change and ...
• True. The libs are living on wishful thinking these days. And the idea that this economic downturn was 'not necessary' is of course the usual nonsense and ...
• mckenna isn't an idiot. I suspect manley will back off too.
• Interesting article today - "By GREG WESTON Debt, donation rules make life tough for wannabe Liberal leaders When the newly re-elected Conservative govern...
• Apperently harper will be changing the laws as well regarding loans. That will make fund raising much harder for the liberal leadership candidates. I think t...
• Well larryl - your first question was adeptly answered by HC of course. It USED to be you could spend any old amount of your own money, but those days are go...
• I think manley will likely bow out. The proposed legislation harper is apperently going to introduce is the final straw. It is sad that the liberal party m...
• Manley has no real infrastructure to raise money on his own 100 dollars at a time - he would have HAD to take out a loan and hope he could pay it back. If th...
• I don't think there's any rule preventing the libs from paying for their candidate's campaign - certanly if there is it would be an internal party rule in th...
• hehehe - wouldn't that be a kick in the teeth for the libs :) But he's more likely to go to the ndp than the CPC.
• But - in such a case it would be the candidate's money. He'd still be capped at putting in only so much for his own campaign.
• No, i don't think they could dissolve a lawful party in canada over the actions of some of it's officers. You can't dissolve a corporation for example just b...
• Sure, for the loan. But then when they went to donate to the actual official campaign it becomes a party donation. If i've got a million dollars, it doesn'...
• hehehehe - slytherins, well that's accurate enough :) As much as it would kill the libs to poach him - i just don't know if it would do the cpc much good. ...
• ohhh i don't think harper will go scalp hunting. I think he's being more subtle and the fact is there's always another election. I think nfldrs are really th...
• Well i commented on this after the election. The libs were not making enough money from all sources to pay the bills last year, and now they've taken a 1.6 m...

CPAC-Nanos Election Tracking CP 34.2, LP 26.7, NDP 21.4, BQ 9.5, GP 8.2 (ending October 12) (2008-10-13)

• They tend to go with momentum, not so much the probable winner, although often the two are the same. For example, in 2004 in the last two days support for ...
• A majority is really what our country needed. But it's unlikely to happen. It IS possible that harper will win a very strong minority, i've been saying 144...
• I read an interesting report a ways back. It said quite simply that we're idiots for arguing over climate change the way we have - in essence the argument wa...
• I would tend to go back to something close to one of my earlier predictions. CPC 144, lpc 72, ndp 35 bloc 55. Although it may be possible that i'm low on t...
• That is a very good question, and it will depend on one factor to a large degree - will it take two or three parties to bring the gov't down? Depending on ...
• Still need money to fight a campaign, and that's something the libs are going to be short of for a while.
• Yeah, harper's been back on his game the last little bit. I suspect it'll still have some effect tho. People will read the papers in the morning and watch th...
• ROFL Gohabs :) weren't you saying 80 seats the other day? And i said 144 - repeatedly. And i'm thinking I'm not going to be off by much. But - as most liber...
• Well for the last two perhaps, but not always. I think the cpc was sort of 'artificially deflated' with some of those comments. I think that people were ma...
• Someone would likely form a coalition at that point.
• Well it was a hypothetical 'tie' - i don't think that's very likely at all :) I think the cpc is going to surprise dion and i don't think it's going to be a...
• They may be the liberals - but fewer people will blindly vote for them. A lot of people vote liberal because they've "always" voted liberal or because "Dad d...
• I don't think it was the drop in seats that 'broke the connection' for the pc - it was the appearance of viable alternatives. The bloc in quebec, the reform ...
• Yeah, they're kind of fringe, but they're growing into a more mainstream fringe :) If they land 8 percent of the vote or whatever, then realistically while...
• Well i think some gov't funding is somewhat appropriate. I don't really like the idea of political parties focusing on fundraising exclusively, it somehow 'c...
• Suedo - we know the truth. The campaign is over. There's no more point your insistence in not telling the truth.
• I don't think he's going to be very wary. The libs suffered a horrible defeat tonite, both in seats but more importantly financially. They won't be looking f...
• Well I called it fairly close. I said CPC - 144 Libs - 76 NDP - 38 Bloc - 50 I feel pretty good about how close i came. To those liberals who said t...
• Hahaha - 143 seats bud :) I missed by one :) Sorry buddy, but your party is a loser and the leader is a loser, and will likely be gone shortly. We were righ...
• Went quiet :) - i was posting every single day :) Told you I was going to be right, I told you what the numbers were going to be, and i was pretty damn clo...

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 33, LP 27, NDP 22, BQ 10, GP 9 (ending October 11) (2008-10-12)

• The numbers aren't great for the cpc, but it's clear from the polls they're trending upwards. The ndp seems to be strong as well. And that gives harper the...
• Tuesday bud :) it's thanksgiving monday. I know that's probably what you meant, but just a reminder.
• It would make more sense for the libs and green to get behind the NDP. The ndp has the momentum and a more effective campaign - and lets face it, dion didn't...
• I think it'll take more than a couple of years - they weren't paying the bills going into this, they're now servicing about an 8 million dollar loan they too...
• They are within 5 points of the libs bud - they're no 'protest party'. That may have been true in the past but it's certainly not true now. I don't agree wit...
• I think that you're probably right. People dont' see the point in voting lib any more. If you're a leftie - might as well actually vote for a left party. If ...
• There hasn't been much interest in strategic voting. First off - most people dont' even know who's winning and who isn't in their riding, so that makes it ha...
• Age is asked. Yes, they COULD lie, but i doubt many would. It seems unlikely there's a horde of 15 year olds out there desperate to lie their way into a poli...
• well if it were just one poll that'd tend to be true. Or if just the libs had lost one or the cpc had gained one. But with all the polls suggesting a cpc r...
• Most aren't really participating, they're signing up to look at what's happening. And of those - how many are on both facebooks, how many are conservative su...
• Hits mean nothing - any tech will tell you that. Visits mean little either, just more than hits. If i visit the site 10 times that doesn't mean they have a...
• I forgot about that - put me down for 36 percent cpc, 27 percent libs 21 percent ndp, 10 percent bloc, and the rest to 'other like the green and other fringe...
• Well... our navy has boats. THEIR navy has boats. And they had boats before OUR navy did. And harper wanted to buy NEW boats. So, i guess that proves conclus...
• In fairness - i think layton has been pretty true to his platform. He's held the same position from beginning to end. I think it's a pretty terrible position...
• You know - i think you actually get MORE rabidly insane in direct proportion to how badly your party is doing - i think we could just about call the election...
• I thought you were sure the tories would get down to 80 seats? :) :) hehehe BC is VERY strong for the CPC, and the libs are going to lose almost all of thei...
• Sure. And they would have, but harper screwed up . ANd they are likely to be a lot closer to a majority than they were last time - i'm still thinking 144 s...
• Hard to say about the bloc and ndp. The cpc could well actually get more new seats than they do. But - considering that any gain for the ndp is very positive...
• There aren't hundreds of thousands who will contribute. There are barely thousands, and they're giving closer to 200 bucks a peice, not 1000. The liberals ...
• LOL - and gohabs the liberal liar has spoken once more :) I've said 144 seats, and i correct you every time. I think the problem is you're afraid they might...

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 33, LP 27, NDP 22, BQ 10, GP 8 (ending October 9) (2008-10-10)

• Interestingly, polling data suggests cpc and ndp voters are the two most likely to vote. Could be worse for the libs and better for the ndp/cpc than expected.
• Yeah. The libs peaked and are backsliding. Interestingly, ekos tracks the loss in the west to ALBERTA and manitoba of all places. Manitoba makes sense -the s...
• Other polls are reflecting similar drops in lib support in ontario. I think dion has peaked and is beginning to slide.
• There's a lot of reason for ndp supporters to be happy this election, that's for sure. It looks like no matter what polls you read, at this point there will ...
• There's still 17 percent undecided in nik's polls. Interestingly, the EKOS poll shows a smaller percent undecided - 7 percent undecided and 3 percent who a...
• I don't think i said they won't vote. I think i said they're undecided. 3 percent of the ekos poll folks said they wouldn't vote - the rest probably will (or...
• Yeah - bc's much stronger this time. I have no idea how the teams on the ground are doing in quebec or if they're well organized.
• Pretty much :) And of course in recent years the population of alberta has been greatly increased by other provincial migration, newfs and ontarians etc, wh...
• i agree. thinking the libs are going to win is indeed called wishful thinking.
• Harper will be staying. He's the right man for the right job in the right place. This is exactly the country he's supposed to be in. Dion wants a tax that ...
• The fact is he didn't lie on any levels. He broke one promise. That's not the same. He's actually been the most up front we've had in a long time. Dion has...
• Ok - first off you don't actually take out a mortgage WITH cmhc - you insure your mortgage with them. And that only applies to mortgages where you are putt...
• dude - we know you'd lie about it if they had 1000 volunteers per riding. Don't waste your breath, you haven't been right about anything to date.
• That and the fact that there hasn't been any movement towards it, like a sudden surge towards the libs or anything.
• Actually they're trending up. And the latest strategic poll backs up the ekos poll. The libs are trending down. Dion's shine wore off, and people are looki...
• I think i said 144 :) And we'll know if THAT was accurate on tuesday. But we know you've been wrong several times on things you said. And i haven't lied, ...
• Well of course i have basis for saying that. And in fact it's largely what nik said - i guess you think he's a 'bumpkin' too? I guess you're seeing the shif...
• ROFL - well the vast majority of 'em are predicting the libs will sink lower. :) Sorry about your luck. Now man up a little and quit acting like such a cry...
• Well - not really. The libs have trailed the CPC since day one and continue to do so. While it's possible the libs could surge in the last day, that's lookin...
• Well that's not true. Sometimes i think you just say the most ridiculous thing that pops into your head. If he LOSES the election, there will likely be ser...
• Yeah - because he knows the idea of 'prime minister dion' scares the crap out of people :) The only thing scarier to most than a harper majority is dion in ...
• 'fraid it is :) Harper is moving forward in ontario - all it took there was 4 words ... "finance minister bob rae" :)
• Beats the heck out of rae that's for sure. Flaherty may have served under harris - but bob rae WAS the gov't and destroyed the place. Ontario doesn't want an...
• Do i? Who knows what he'll do. Dion has to be concerned about daggers at his back of course. And of course it's trite and childish to say mulroney 'brought...
• Well you're wrong. Harper is not too right for canada - in fact his 'rightness' has nothing to do with why he didn't take a majority this time. Times chang...
• No, sorry, he's wrong. Someday the so-called 'liberals' (which aren't liberal at all, but actually a party of intolerance) will learn that they don't get t...
• Suuuuure - just like they were with chretien and paul martin right? Don't kid yourself :) Dion will face a leadership challenge regardless. And the 'youn...
• Au contraire. They were completely set to do that till they thought the gov't was cutting arts funding. So - no problems there it would seem. Lets face it ...
• Are you on glue? Martin pushed chretien out the door - it was a bitter battle where chretien had to threaten to BRING HIS OWN GOV"T DOWN at one point to keep...
• Traditionally no - confederation has not worked for bc very well. But we get by. Hasn't done much for alberta or the praries either :) But - like i said. ...
• There's too many to list. But really - we're not like the liberals. We don't 'crow' a prince years before hand. We let people stand on their own merits. An...
• Oh i think probably mackay would likely be a front runner for example. Smart guy, well liked and a lot more 'personable' than harper. Women like him more, an...
• ROFL - that's the liberal spirit! If you don't like what's happening, then a pigheaded unwillingness to look facts in the face will always see you thru :) W...
• I see you've stopped taking your medication again. Mackay never had the job, and the power brokers insisted he make no deal with the alliance. He went AGA...
• No they shouldn't. But they do. Look at williams - bitching for more goodies when he knows the cpc treated newfoundland miles better than anyone has in gen...
• I've got a truck - and i know how much it costs to fill it and how much more it'll be after a new carbon tax. I bet a few people out that way are getting a g...
• I notice you failed to answer my question. Every province has rail. They mostly use diesel too. Can you answer my question - or are you still living in d...
• Really. No boats, no trucks in your province, no tractors or farmers, nothing like that in your province. Hmm. Methinks you're a bit of a fibber. But then ...

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 33, LP 29, NDP 20, BQ 10, GP 7 (ending October 8) (2008-10-09)

• There's pretty clear indication the CPC slide stopped a couple of days ago - and the libs were left trying to take support from other parties to make up what...
• Yes, ekos is definitely showing more positive action for the cpc than nanos. We'll be seeing a result closer to the 144 seats i originally said if those nu...
• True lex. It is looking that way right now - the bloc will have enough seats to vote with the libs to defeat a motion, and the ndp may not. That would put ...
• It seems like it did register indeed. It stopped the drop in it's tracks, and now they're growing stronger in the west again according to Nanos and most of t...
• You know bc alberta and sask are paying INTO equalization, and bc and alberta together have had something like 6 years of equalization in the last 100? Sur...
• Well that's the question. It seems to have sprouted now that the 'shine' from dion is wearing off. I notice reporters are starting to ask dion detailed quest...
• Sure. So do we. In fact, in case YOU hadn't noticed bc and alberta traditionally pay MORE per capita. So i guess ontario won't be paying anything if they l...
• Less than a week now - 7 days and closing. It's going to be a nail biter :)
• Inter provincial Immigrants from the east i'd expect :) :) :) Plus - realistically it would be wrong to assume the other 50 percent is happy with confeder...
• I offered it as an example of one of the many reasons someone might vote ndp instead of cpc or liberal. As opposed to being happy with confederation or the f...
• So did i apperently - it's actually 5 days and closing :)
• What numbers are YOU reading? Nanos has the libs at 26 percent in the west and the cpc at 50 with a 5.1 margin of error. Ekos has them far ahead as well. N...
• Layton will gain seats - again. His party isn't likely to turf him when election after election he builds their strength. Harper and supporters always knew...
• I said nothing about those provinces. I was responding to Dgood's comment that if the west left confederation we should pay back the transfers. My point was ...
• Well that's just pure nonsense. For well over 100 years westerners have considered the praries and bc to be the west. And as to there being no support, tha...
• Quite true - king asked to disolve parliament and teh GG told him he had to quit instead and offered the opposition the chance to form gov't. King ran in the...
• And thats' a big factor in western alienation. Quebec wants more arts so the west has to pay more in taxes to fund it? Why? If they want it they can pay for ...
• The H&K is not working right with regional numbers. Sorry if it got your hopes up :) It's broken. It only does national accurately. I'm sorry to burst you...
• No, this is my home. I doubt that myself or the 50 percent of westerners who agree with me are intersted in going anywhere. If anything - we'll ask others to...
• I think the kind of help you may need probably requires something a little more 'professional' than what I can offer :) Of course it doesn't need to be a we...
• It doesn't work right on a regional level. :) It's broken. Go read up on it :) Sorry to raise your hopes, but that's the way it is.
• It's not even a close to three way race in bc. It dipped, but it's climbed back up significantly according to both local polls and ekos, who has a much highe...
• Yeah - just watched that on tv. Not a very good moment for dion.
• I'm telling you bud, no word of a lie, the regional projection algorithms are broken. They don't produce accurate results. It's only useful for national resu...
• ROFL - ok, well we'll see on election day won't we ;)
• There are numerous regional differences. Take some of the more glaring for example, like the gun registry. It's hated out here and is HORRIBLE law. Yet we go...
• ROFL - Well i'll give you this - you've take the liberal mantra of 'Keep telling the lie often enough and hope it comes true' to a new level :) You realize ...
• Quite possibly. If he gets roughly what they had before he MIGHT hold on. Or at least he'll fight to stay on. If he loses a lot of seats he will probably b...
• There is nothing stupid or hypothetical about "What would you have done differently'. Dion is critisizing how harper handled things. Fine - what would YOU ...
• Two day old data. EKOS is showing the libs have slipped in bc over the last two days dramatically. Harpers speeches here have had a strong impact. I think ...
• LIBERALS ADMIT GREEN SHIFT WON"T REDUCE EMISSIONS http://www.winnipegsun.com/News/Manitoba/2008/10/10/7038881-sun.html Well there you go. I think realistic...
• Yeap, and i've said so before. That was definitely a broken promise. They had their reasons and the libs agreed with it, but it was still a broken promise. ...
• Ekos has them up today as well - we'll see what nik's got to say.
• Well actually that's not a majority, that's just shy of a majority. What we're seeing is extreme voter volatility. Ekos does have an unusually large sample...
• Yeah - but he never looks good when he's whining.
• I don't know what to think about the green vote. It can utterly dry up, or it could remain strong if people don't really like any of their other choices. N...
• Lets face it - his numbers don't add up for more wealthy folk either. Even middle class - as was reported today in the w sun, a little math shows he's grossl...
• Nonsense. He's been very sensitive to eastern issues as well. Now imagine ralph klein had absolute power over ontario with no fear of being kicked out of o...
• Dion's been saying for over a year they were 100 percent ready for an election. And he spend all summer campaigning on the green shift. If he didn't think th...
• And unfortunately the income tax cuts DON'T offset the increased costs. Dion doesn't factor in things like the fact that even you lex will pay more for the g...
• I missed the whole contest thing - were do you see that?
• It's possible. Tho i'm not sure that those current 'green' supporters who don't vote green will necessarily vote at all. The green vote has done some weird t...
• Apparently not - it says 'registration closed'. I'll poke around and see if it'll let me somehow.
• Is it percentage of seats or of popular vote?

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 33, LP 29, NDP 20, BQ 11, GP 7 (ending October 7) (2008-10-08)

• Let me guess - this is rsharp yet again abusing a board he's already been kicked from several times. Which i guess shows what we can expect from the liber...
• Sigh. I KNEW she was a liar early on. She had no business being in the debates. She's just more liberal scum under a different name.
• I don't know - i didn't even see the original comments. Personally i've moderated boards before and i usually give warning. But that is not for ME to decid...
• Apperently only if i call her religious scum. :) Well the difference i guess is i'm referring to her specifically and her actions, whereas others may have ...
• Well again as i mentioned - i'm not calling all liberals 'scum' - i'm refering to her and her actions specifically. I think that's probably a little differen...
• Yeah. But he won't. Dion's idea of 'intervention' is to slap a crippling carbon tax on us at one of the worst possible financial times and to hold meetings w...
• Lex - this is about the 5th thread on this. It's already been established that suedo is the liar. Harper kept his promise, the fisheries is hung up in the ...
• Your leader welcomes it - so i daresay you really have no right to critisize.
• Naw - dion' had bought the store out before he got there. Lets see - Dion flip flopped on afghanistan, the gst, having an election, his promise to start vo...
• Oh grow up. None of that is true in the slightest. Hell, dion gave him a majority last time, never showed up to vote. And ontario's industrial base will suff...
• Dirty sneaky underhanded tricks like telling the truth? It's clearly rsharp and he clearly expected people to know that by bringing up the issue again. And ...
• Oh if harper lost the election we wouldn't be governed by liberals for long. Dion really is every bit as incompetant as he looks - the economy would go to he...
• no - i was talking about dion. And harper got no support for anti-floor crossing legislation .. till suddenly it worked against the liberals instead of 'for'...
• And give up his job as PM? He's still winning the election.
• Harper didn't get a lot of support for those changes, and unfortunately when you're in a minority gov't that means you can't do everything you want. He als...
• The beginning of the end of what? His job? I don't think so. He'll get at least one more crack at the can, and he'll have been prime minister for likely abou...
• I have no reason to be embarrased - dion isn't my party's leader :) And i have no reason to lie, Dion is embarrasing enough for the libs with the truth.
• Here: http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/4549 And you'll note mcguinty ISN"T supporting the green tax and refuses to endorse dion.
• You say a lot of things. I'm sure by tomorrow you'll be predicting 110 seats in ontario. Even tho there aren't that many :)
• I think you've been reading 'the grapes of wrath' too much. There's no doubt times were tough. But food wasn't the problem. Money was. As one man of the ...
• Very little. In fact, alberta has recieved very little federal money at all aside from the medical transfers and such that everyone gets (and pays into). And...
• Not really. They get crop insurance, but they pay for that. And of course unlike eastern canada, western farmers cannot look for their own markets. They MU...
• Do you mean 'has alberta cashed in insurance that it paid for for crop failure?" Sure - sometimes. That's why they paid for it. I got money from ICBC when m...
• We don't get much from the feds - and anything we do get is dwarfed by the huge amounts we pay back. Unlike you, who simply take.
• Oh you want to include things outside equalization? Hmmm - how about the fact that until the cpc got elected - our shipbuilding industry here went without ...
• No i mean YOUR freebies. The gov't regularly puts shipping contracts especially for naval vessles in the Atlantics - never bc till the CPC got in.
• Sure - the west's aerospace industry gets screwed over for the east lots too. But that doesn't change the fact that YOU are also taking more than you give ...
• You VOTED for that federal mismanagement so it was pretty much YOUR fault. And it was definitely gov't inaction that made the problem worse - the feds refu...
• There is NOTHING natural about encouraging people to vote for a party other than your own. It's an affront to the idea of democracy. Elf - what if i starte...
• They WERE a legit party. But i'll tell you - the provincial green party here in bc (which i actually respect) would NEVER endorse the ndp in the last minute....
• Trust me - I label a lot of liberals 'scum' and most of them are men :) You should have seen me during the sponsorship scandal. :) Scum was about the nicest...
• ANOTHER 'mistake'? Hmm. Well fair enough if true - where exactly did you see this retraction? I read most of the papers this morning and didn't see it.
• I don't think she's a very good leader at all. Good leaders don't endorse other parties. You mentioned the paper recanted and said she never said that, but i...
• Nik is definately a good pollster. It really tends to be impossible to say who is the 'best' - they all have a margin of error and if they are consistantly w...

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 34, LP 31, NDP 18, BQ 11, GP 6 (ending October 6) (2008-10-07)

• Dion Plagerized speech. This is typical. As you can see in the story here, and watch on the associated link, dion himself stole 31 percent of his speech fr...
• Well it is pretty disgusting when you see someone make a big stink about 'morals' for doing something they themselves do. But that's the liberals isn't it - ...
• I would be shocked and stunned if tomorrows poll is the final outcome - that would be the very first time that's happened in a long time. It almost never goe...
• Well it would be history making if it did. The last two times there were major swings at the last minute and i'd be very surprised if that wasn't the case th...
• Yeap. Didn't quote his source. Just scoffed it. Very liberal. Here's dion's speech. As you can see - NO citation at all, dion just out and out stole his wo...
• I don't see anyone called waynorth posting on the subject. Here's the speech tho, as you can see he did in fact steal most of it. http://www.ec.gc.ca/medi...
• I don't think it's a big deal. IN fact - if you read my post that's exactly what i said - i didn't think it was a big deal for harper, i don't think it's a b...
• The opposition runs on fear. Libearls have always tried to use fear as a primary plank in their elections. There's a secret agenda, watch out! Oooooo - we'r...
• HD loves the libs, and consistently year after year and election after election posts them higher than most others and higher than the end results are. Hell ...
• Yes - whereas in contrast your reply was simply full of intelligent rebuttal :)
• The libs are definitely doing badly in the west, there's little doubt. They will lose seats. But the fact is there aren't many seats here for them to lose. T...
• THe other fact is, even the libs aren't sure dion's plan actually WOULD reduce emmissions. In fact one liberal said so just the other day. And that is why di...
• Dion caught fire all right - and burned to the ground :) He scares people worse than harper.

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 34, LP 29, NDP 20, BQ 11, GP 6 (ending October 5) (2008-10-06)

• Why do you feel the need to lie so much? The tories are exactly where they were yesterday. On the other hand - does look good for the libs. They actually D...
• no, probably not. The libs would probably win. It depends of course on how well the other parties did.
• I think that the green vote was real enough early on, but as has happened in the past it's bled back to the parties it came from - in this case the liberals....
• Why do you lie? I have no idea - go ask your mother. The libs have appeared to have topped out. If the figures are accurate, they've been at that for 4 da...
• Well there is a poll that's doing just that. The strategic poll tracks only the 'battleground' ridings. You can find it on ctv's website.
• LOL - well boys we're still winning and you're still losing :) so we're not too bitter :) But yes there is no doubt the race has become tighter. At this poi...
• Of course it's been all over the place - what else would you expect from a 'battleground' riding? Yeash. And why would it 'definately' be way off on election...
• Ten days ago harper hadn't made two critical mistakes. Fortunes can change. Of course - they can change back just as fast. I see today dion got caught havi...
• oh we've caught your little fibs several times now. I think it's too late to pretend you don't lie :) And as i recall didn't you say the cpc would be at 88 ...
• Dion is still losing. You're aweful proud of a guy who isn't going to win :)
• ROFL - i'm whining that we're winning? Yeah - its just terrible that we're going to beat you still! Boo hoo hooo :)
• Well i think you nailed it right on the head gordo, tho i wouldn't say it was just the one comment about the economy, tho in a way it sums up how people took...
• No, that's just dumb. Of course he's got a plan, and the plan has been working. But people dont' feel that he takes the current economic crisis as seriousl...
• Well come on now gordo - they're NOT at 30 percent in any of the polls. If you put them at 15 percent they're going to lose as well, but they're not there :)...
• Liberals dont' believe in free speech unless they're the ones talking :)
• that's pretty much the same plot as we've had for 5 days - not much 'thickening'.
• No - as long as he wins he's not dead meat. Not this election anyway. the libs will still be crippled financially and that was true from day one. But it's ...
• Whereas you started out with hate writing day one gohabs? Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, pot. :)
• You must mean because they take brown envelopes under the table, because the books they turned into elections canada say they're broke. They had to borrow he...

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 34, LP 30, NDP 19, BQ 10, GP 7 (ending October 4) (2008-10-05)

• True. The next day or two will tell us if its a trend or a blip. Sadly ekos doesn't track on the weekends so we can't look to see if they reflected any kind ...
• I've never trusted harris decima, and i'm not going to start now just because the results are 'good'. Ekos is usually pretty good and strategic, but ekos d...
• well that is the most likely result at this point, but i don't know that we can say much from this poll. Another day or two and we'll know if the lib numbers...
• Ummm - harper's personal numbers were up nine points today. And up yesterday. Tho to be honest i don't think they were really up - i htink 3 days ago when ...
• For a change - gohab actually said something that might make sense and has some basis in fact :) THere's a real chance that the green vote may in part move ...
• Well first off you have to understand that not all polls are polling the same thing. Some include 'leaners' - what people intend to vote even if they havne'...
• True. The fastest way to create a recession or depression is to insist there's going to be one.
• Dion only cares about getting into power. This is a man who's trying to introduce 'plagiarism' as a serious election issue. He doesn't care at all about doin...
• None of our politicians are telling the 'truth'. Or they all are depending on how you choose to look at it. They're all 'spinning' it. The liberal gov't ha...
• ROFL - ahh that must be liberal math - just like a nine point rise shows he's 'still falling'.
• harper's score is about 98 over all - i think that's from a high of 108 or so. But you claimed he's "Still falling". So - if he's gone up two days in a row, ...
• Which of course is itself a lie. He has - they just don't want people to think he has or admit it's been working so well. Which is of course very liberal.
• No lie involved - there's no recession in canada. Even dion doesn't suggest there is. Dion is suggesting that there's going to be in the future. Amusingly,...
• Riding by riding is done by EVERY party that's got money. The lib stratagists were on tv talking about this the other day. They just don't make it public. ...
• No - i mean libs are lying like they did about stealing people's money to fund their campaign. Or like dion did when he said he was against the income trust ...
• and there's no american's near bagdad right? :)
• Sure there is. They frequently use various polling firms to do it, all internal. And it was you that said they don't do riding by riding polling - now you'...
• I'll chalk his numbers up with "the gun registry will only cost 2 million dollars'.
• Most people define a leader by two important criteria - the ability to make an effective plan, and the ability to execute it. The fact is harper is very in...
• Could just as easily be ndp attacking the libs - more their style. :) Methinks thou dost protest too much :) We're still winning. Maybe if we were losing, b...
• Riiiiight. Dion's called him a liar, tried to blow 'plagerism' into a major issue, and the libs ran nothing but attack ads against him during the last 2 camp...
• Naw. That's not an issue. Harper and obama agree on a lot of platform issues, there won't be any bad blood. Harper moved fast to deal with that crap, and oba...
• I believe they came in third last time ekos was second and i can't remember who was first - a good showing for election prediction to be sure but not brillia...
• Hmm - well that's not appropriate. I'm not even sure that's legal - i think they're supposed to respond no matter what even if it's just a form letter like '...
• Well - we all know it's going to boil down to the same thing - the libs are going to beg voters from the other left leaning parties to rally behind them, the...
• Yeah - chop of niks stuff at the end there and it's pretty flat line for everybody actually, when you thik about the margin of error. Pretty bloody boring ...
• Oops - got that wrong then. I knew ekos was second for one of them, but i thought election prediction was behind them in 2004.
• Suuuuure they are :) And i'm absolutely positive that running 10 points or better behind while holding on to even 'better' stuff was dion's plan all along...
• Ummm - YOU brought it up.
• 85 would be pretty accurate i think. You ARE talking about the western provinces obviously - add about another 60 to that for the east.
• Well it's hard to argue with such an expert on the subject :)
• Plagiarism is in no way shape or form an issue for anyone who isn't desperate for there to be an issue. It was more of a chance to sneak in a reminder that h...
• actually - the current seat projections from election prediction are saying 118 seats in the bag with a lot of other possibles. Check it out yourself. The ...
• hehehe - keep dreaming bud :)
• Watching political ads? No, not sleazy - a little disappointed because i know all these crap ads from the libs cpc and ndp actually work, which is a bit of...
• ROFL :) well that's just about the weakest effort i've seen on here in a bit :) It's not hard to control either - chretien kept things well under control an...
• Well whatever the final trend is (cpc lib or ndp), it usually does take place in the last 2 days or so before the election so after next friday may be possib...
• hmm. Well that's just no good. If he wins again you should drop me a note and we'll get a bunch of people to write in to him and harper saying better is expe...
• Well election prediction puts it at 118 in the bag for the cpc, 71 for the libs, and 54 too close to call. When niks numbers come out today i'll let you k...
• Well those aren't my numbers - that's election prediction. Which a fellow liberal of yours reminded me was relatively accurate last election. If you use th...
• Bud - seriously, every version of leadership falls into that generalization. It's not 'superficial'. It's just simplistic - and i made it so for this discu...
• And the party ISN"T behind him! You don't see the Quebec wing of the CPC stabbing harper in the back. You don't see layton's people coming out criticizing hi...
• Well you should always get involved with the riding association between elections and make sure they're keeping him in line. But if he aint' responding to ...
• True about income trusts - thats why the other parties voted for it. Remember - he could not have done that without their support. And yeah - danny's a whin...
• Oh, i don't think harper's afraid of anything. Remember- he was the one a year ago who sounded the alarm bells - and the other parties accused him of being '...
• Well, you're never going to see the ndp in opposition with a liberal gov't. So that's out. And the libearls won't be calling any elections in the next 6 mo...
• ROFL - no, i mean that if there's sudden movement at the end - we won't see it in a 3 day running poll :) And the only 'surge' dion has had lately is in th...
• Well 'reasonable' generally means acheivable, and while one might argue he could have done better the whole 'shoot for the starts and hit the moon' thing is ...
• LOL - yeah, i'm wetting my pants :) Sounds like you're getting so desperate you're near delusional :) Hey - the worst harper could possibly do is still win ...
• you cannot have an ndp opposition with a liberal gov't. It doesn't work. The only way the libs can get a win is if the ndp is very weak. And given harper's...
• Nobody who votes liberal truly believes ethics and integrity are important. If they did - they'd vote ndp or cpc.
• I understood you meant next election, and thats possible. You just can't have a liberal gov't with an ndp opposition. The libs can't get enough votes in the ...
• I doubt it will have a major impact. It's probably necessary at this point to counter the idea that there somehow isn't a plan. There is and he's explained i...
• Dion's printing monopoly money - or doesn't intend to keep them. Layton will actually have the money and will keep his promises - but he will do so by taxi...
• It isn't disrespectful at all. Before 93, it was common for parties never to release a platform document at all. He's stated his intentions quite clearly. ...
• Sure - start! By all means start! But - you don't start by inflicting a crippling tax on an economy that has no money to lend to start ups as it is. Harp...
• I'm pretty confident those voters are going to need jobs to pay for their food and mortgages and such. Jobs come from corporations. If the economy isn't he...
• If you'd prefer the use of the word 'acheivable' - feel free to substitute it. I used to the word to mean 'within reason'. It is reasonable to expect that ...
• Two parter due to the proofs you requested. Now - the 'we won't abstain' thing: Lets take a step back. This all started with the throne speech. Here's wh...
• Ask him - but it was excluded. The atlantics were given a choice - take the rather generous package which lived up to the idea it was excluded. OR - take...
• Well that's simply not true - they were given the choice up front. That is fact. It was later sweetened to switch back and forth at will. And you were the ...
• And he did. He did remove them. he also offered a new OPTIONAL formula that included part of them - but gave much more money. The simple truth is that th...
• A reminder - i didn't say 'easy' - i said achievable. It's got to be something he can actually achieve - then don't accept anything less There are several ...
• That's a pretty spurrious argument. We don't know dion won't raise the gst. We don't know that dion will implement the carbon tax, or that it will be reven...
• Well let me put it this way - can newfoundland still collect equalization payments today without the oil being considered in the equation? (pssst- the answ...
• I think you'd have to be somewhat blind to fail to understand how harper scores well on leadership. It would appear more likely that you don't understand t...
• The details are not important if you simply are looking at whether or not the plane can fly. You see it flying - therefore sufficient lift is being produced....
• If you were delusional enough to think that removing non-renewable natural resources from the equasion meant that they'd also remove INCOME TAX, etc from the...
• The only one that is relevant is revenue that comes directly from natural resources. Not income or property that's a result of such actvity. It is Highly d...
• At no time in history did harper promise to exclude ANYTHING but the direct revenue from oil. The rest like income tax etc is simply not relevant. And ther...
• No sweat bud, we all have days like that :) Your first point - We blogged it here on nanos of course during the debate. The first words out of his mouth wh...
• I have read the letter - you are on glue. You would have to be insane to think that resource revenue would include anything but direct revenue collected by...
• Per capita - you are the largest recipients. Sorry. And it was YOU who brought up income taxes and the like. Not me. Go back and read your own posts. Har...
• Bull. Here's proof that you don't tell the truth - http://www.fin.gc.ca/FEDPROV/eqpe.html Read down to the equalization payments per capita- NL 1,781 ...
• Suedo - you are on glue. The rules that apply to you apply every bit as much in bc - except we've been denied permission to develop oil offshore AT ALL. We h...
• Ok - lets start back down here so we can read each others posts. I said atlantic canada got more than anyone. And lo and behold you do - FAR more than most...
• See below - there's no room left here.
• Well offshore resources ARE federal resources. You can argue the sun should rise in the west, but guess where it's coming up tomorrow. And i didn't exactly...
• It is a blatant lie to suggest that harper ever promised anything other than to remove direct provincial revenues from natural resources. And of course the...
• Alberta was never fed on saltfish bud. And almost a billion a year buys a hell of a lot of fish. What about when alberta provided your unemployed with jobs...
• Of course there is. Hell that's even recognized internationally. And it was recognized in canada BEFORE you voted to join confederation. So suck it up. No ...
• His commitment was to make sure that the atlantics would have the chance to develop their oil, and would ensure that oil was removed from the equalization pa...
• What other provinces get to pick and choose what formula to use as they see fit? What other provinces get as much money as you do per person? What other prov...
• It ain't yours, never was. Sorry. You'd have to form your own country to do that. Which your free to do btw - go on, seperate. Pay your own way for a chang...
• Really. Alberta's isn't removed. BC's isn't removed. Funny how THAT worked isn't it. Stealing isn't harper's word - it's mine. You take from others and don...
• You mean there wasn't one before alberta actually started generating money for oil? Well true, not that that helped alberta. But they DID rape alberta prett...
• We're not stealing anything. Equalization payments are what WE give to YOU. Not what we take from you. You're the one doing the taking here. You didn't b...
• Harper did keep his word. He said he would take non renewable resources out of the equalization formula and he did. You can also choose a different package t...
• Harper was a Progressive Conservative. Not a lib. And he did remove oil from the formula. You don't need to include it unless YOU want to. Pretty simple....
• In the west? The breadbasket of confederation? Are you joking? We fed ourselves buck. On good prairie grain and beef and on Pacific fish. And if times were...
• Sure he did. Do you need to use oil in the calculation if you don't want to? No. It's as simple as that. Poof gone. Perhaps you mean that technically mart...
• Once again - see below. Too crowded to read.
• Continued from above once again. Harper was NOT a liberal. Why do you insist on lying? The closest he came was being a liberal supporter in his youth! H...
• Dude - we fed ourselves. We had the largest farms, oceans full of fish and best hunting in the world - but you think we fed ourselves on salt fish. You are...
• Sure - We will remove non-renewable natural resource revenue from the equalization formula to encourage the development of economic growth in the non-renew...
• No - you did not suedo. And you just proved you're dishonest completely. You said that - i said 'per capita you do' - you repeated that no, it was quebec. I ...
• No - we didn't eat salt fish. My god, you are delusional. Post me a reference to where newfoundland fed the starving west with free salt fish. Otherwise, I...
• No - oil isn't included, unless you specifically want it to be. Secondly, harper specifically mentioned oil, and danny seemed happy with having only oil ta...
• Well if your argument is that he isn't going to listen to ALL the experts based on his political preferences, then really - what's the point of the meetings ...
• You have lied several times. Including your insistence you didn't say quebec got more per capita - you did. Go back and read - it's there for all to see. ...
• The whole world did not eat salt fish you lunatic. And before the oil sands our economy was great - i live in bc. Alberta's economy before oil was the sa...
• he also specifically mentioned oil - and danny hasn't been bitching about mining. As i understand it much mining activity is already exempt. That which isn...
• Agreed - Newfoundland stands to gain multi billions more than it would have under that promise. OR - they can choose the promise if they like. Nice to have...
• What about saskatchewan? They vote conservative, not liberal, they're a have province now and they dont eat much salt fish either.
• about the same time i heard a newfoundland premier say it. They take less per capita than any atlantic province. I don't particularly appreciate quebec's r...
• Same thing they always ate. They had no money - not no food.
• Me? none. But what i can tell you is that western canada has paid far far far more back into equalization than it ever took by leaps and bounds. The atla...
• Why are YOU receiving it? And at about twice the rate they are? I sure as hell haven't heard YOU say you should be off it. As near as I can tell you inten...
• My family was there for it - my history is quite fine thanks. You need a salt-fish detox. It's gone to your brain.
• None. Everything we've gotten we paid back with interest. The west gets virtually nothing from the feds. Take for example the railroads. Promised to BC for...
• I have no problem 'dealing' with quebec - but it's not a quebec person on here right now screaming about how unfairly they're treated. It's you. And whatev...
• They're paid for by crop insurance - which is paid for by the farmers. THis is why we are "have" provinces. We take less money than we send. Really at th...
• Well then you were pretty stupid to keep voting for liberal gov'ts weren't you. And it doesn't sound like you've gotten any smarter. Having wiped out your ...
• You mean there's nothing 'equal' about equalization? I agree - we pay, you take. Forever if you have your way apperently. Doesn't sound equal to me at all.
• Sure i can think past one election. What's your point? And the current right wing gov't in sask is doing pretty darn well for the province. Do you think ...
• No - the fisheries were destroyed by the libs. They were the ones who first started to interfere, they were the ones who were in power most of the time, they...
• Truth bothering you?
• Bull crap. More of your lies - and that's why you deserve to suffer without your fish and without help - you can't even be honest about what happened.
• The opposite is true. We paid MORE to ship east. Eastern products shipped west were cheaper. That opened up the western markets to eastern producers, while p...
• You're somebody's kiddo, that's for sure. If you WERE mine i'd be pretty ashamed. And i'm sorry - your information is innacurate. Again. Prior to 1897 - ...
• It's gone up since they took over. If the carbon tax will have no effect - then why bother with it? If it doesn't hurt people, they won't want to change th...
• Actually it has - which shows you aren't really following things. The carbon tax won't change anything positively - look at dion for proof - he decided it ...
• For christ sake whiley - nobody can even read what you're writing any more. I'll post my response below. Start a new thread if you want to keep talking.
• I'll respond to your comment above here because i can't read your responses. I'm not holding a grudge against anyone. I'm pointing out a simple truth. An...
• Really. So ... you're saying the rate applied to more products than grain being shipped east? Or you're saying it was not the federal gov't that requested it...

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 35, LP 28, NDP 19, BQ 10, GP 8 (ending October 3) (2008-10-04)

• Nonsense. The liberals used to be more centrist but that certainly hasn't been true for a while. They're proposing a spending increase and tax increase lar...
• Probably true. His only real mistake, and a costly one. Mind you he's doing much better in ontario than i'd have expected. Probably still won't get a major...
• There was clearly a 'spike' a night or so ago, and i suspect that's going to drop off in the next couple of days. The problem for the liberals in the west...
• I have to say westerner is right - the libs are no where near the center right now. Dion moved them pretty far to the left. Harper is quickly gaining the c...
• Many elements of it are definately more 'left wing'. Consider for example that liberals have called the 'green shift' a 'wealth shift', claiming it's the g...
• The center isn't a relational issue - if all the parties are left wing parties that doesn't mean the one that's LEAST left is somehow right wing. THe cente...
• 38 i think. No matter how i run the numbers - 38 is still damn near as low as you can go and still gain a majority. It may be possible with 37 if all your st...
• I think as a rule when people talk about right wing left wing and center politics - those are pretty well established positions. That would be like saying 'r...
• I think the greens started out as a blend of right and left ideology, but i think they've kind of drifted to the left. Looking over their current policies th...
• Not by much - billions of new taxes and spending on an environmental platform and wealth shift? Low jail time for criminals? Major poverty reduction? Gun ban...
• Well true - but i think more importantly it keeps confederation from breaking up. When ottawa tries to enforce 'one size fits all' solutions, it creates a ...
• A fair point. And even more true this time. The last time the liberals were reluctant to call an election due to a fractured party in part, but mostly due to...
• Well in that case even a few of the libs should be able to get a few of the answers :)
• Well - not really 40. If they hit 39 percent with the current conditions it'll be a comfortable majority with the current splits. . I just don't think they'...
• Aww gohabs - are your feelings hurt again? Poor little guy - i'm sorry your party isn't going to win this particular election, but when you grow up you'll le...
• zab - that makes no sense in the slightest. First off - if there are no established canadian definitions of 'right' and 'left' - then how do you know the o...
• Right now - about 75 - 80 percent reject the liberal ideas. What does that say about the liberals? :)
• How petty is it to try to hinge your argument on whether center is spelled center or centre? Honestly - is that the BEST argument you can make? And if you ...
• And what exactly would the problem be if the feds raised less tax and the provinces raised more tax? We still pay the same tax. So that would be terrible - w...
• If that were true - why are there almost as many ndp supporters as lib? And the libs have no chance of being elected to gov't this time around either. The nd...
• Well don't be so silly - the idea of federal spending is to provide services that have been vested by the provinces as federal responsibilities. Like the mil...
• True - there IS a chance the libs will slip further by that point i suppose. There's a real threat they'll bleed off to the ndp. That's why dion is focusin...
• Are you serious. You think my spelling represents where my focus is. Rather than, for example, where my spell checker was made? My spelling without a spell...
• the format allowed for that more this time. The attacks against martin were pretty vigorous last time as you'll recall - layton said 'lend us your votes' bec...
• No it is not. It is ideologically based and we measure the policies AND parties against it. Philosophy is somewhat different - but the schools of philosoph...
• That's simply not true. An idea exists whether it's measured or not. Or regardless of what 'scale' is used to do the measuring. Ideas are completely indepe...
• Perhaps in his country at the time - but not now but he's still considered an extreme example of right wing thinking by our standards today. Which doesn't fi...
• I see - so when asked to come up with even one credible source for your suggestion you come back with that. Just figured out you were wrong did you. Well y...
• ahh - another intelligent response. Still no luck finding anything eh? Too bad.
• Less! Slower! (should appeal to the libs out there :) ) hey - don't get mad at me, next time do your homework :)

CPAC-Nanos Daily Election Tracking CP 35, LP 30, NDP 18, BQ 10, GP 9 (ending October 2) (2008-10-03)

• If the libs got a spike yesterday then it'll be 2 or 3 days till it drops off. Weird tho - ekos (another decent poller) and a few others didn't record any ...
• Rolling poll - it may be hard to tell for a few days.
• hehehe - well i'll let you have your illusions for a bit :) but i'm afraid there's no where near that kind of movement for the libs.
• Yeah, basically. And - it's accurate 19 times out of 20. Which means they do expect that once in a while they'll get a 'flyer' so to speak, where the results...
• I rarely trust harris decima. but ekos shows strength for the cpc too and them i tend to listen to. Sometimes you get little bounces or you get weird res...
• Yeah - based on the polls out there i'm still thinking about 144 - 150 for the cpc, about 70 plus seats for the libs and somewhere in the mid thirty's-ish fo...
• Nobody takes that big a hit - even the famous mulroney/turner debate took a few days to settle in before the libs started to crash. Dion would have had to ...
• Well - traditionally they don't say that unless they're within the spread directly - for example while technically a three point spread could mean that a sco...
• Heh - i'm afraid not. Only nanos is recording that kind of jump. All the other respectible pollsters are not. (and i'm not including harris decima). But ...
• LOL - so has ekos and others. :) When you get 400 person samples you get the odd 'off night' or flyer. the fact of the matter is that for those numbers to ...
• Their voter base tends to have a lot of 'activist' types - that type actually likes that kind of thing.
• ipsos and ekos are actually pretty talented and both came in well in the last elections. The ekos numbers are particularly interesting because of the huge sa...
• No, as opposed to parties that prefer civil debate. You'll notice i'm not insulting you, or the like. You get your say - i get to respond - you get to resp...
• Actually - given the regional numbers he actually will still walk away with a few more seats even with today's numbers (different voter concentrations). Bu...
• Awwww - looks like another liberal with hurt feelings :) I'm not blindly loyal to anything. Every thing i say is backed up by fact and is verifiable by prac...
• Yeah. And the truth is it always takes 2 or 3 days for the 'effect' to shake out. Harper will benefit from the english debate - dion did well in french whi...
• Dion didn't do well in last nights debate. That's pretty clear. But i doubt that had any influence on the polls today, that's for sure. In fact, on the who...
• Lol - easy there informed :) you're likely to get 'green shifted' by someone if you're not careful :D :D
• One ounce per DAY - the bottle says one ounce of cough syrup per DAY, not per hour! We've talked about this before :) And you're thinking of celine dion.
• Well that's just silly. They were prediction no such thing. Nanos on the 21'st predicted 37.0 28.1 17.7 for the cpc libs and ndp respectively, Strategic...
• I can see where it's annoying to actually have to watch the libs get their butts kicked all right. It would be better for dion if nobody knew he had no chanc...
• Only if you have some done up on a bullet proof vest.. :)
• No - just facts. And of course - if they were bias then anyone could produce a set of facts showing that and presenting a counter argument. The fact that y...
• It is more likley the other way around. Especially seeing as none of the other pollsters are detecting any 'changing dynamics' yet. Nor would they normally...
• Well - he looked decent in the french debate, but in the english debate he was clearly not prime ministerial at all. He looked a little like a deer in the ...
• Apperently it isn't. One day on nanos and no other polls showing that. But hey - if it makes you feel good for a day go ahead :) dion's done in just over a...
• Now now - lets not be nasty. It's a fair question and it deserves a response - but first off i haven't been 'swearing' to anything. I've said from the begi...
• That's pretty bloody rich coming from a party that's been trying to sell 5 year old speech swiping as a 'major political issue' :) At least this happened D...
• Well hopefully when the economy improves you can afford some better eyewear gohabs :)
• Well of course he will. He will have a mandate to do the things he promised in the election and a free hand with the economy. Which is of course what a manda...
• the truth is pretty much the truth regardless john.
• The liberal momentum stalled. It died in the english debate and layton picked up and duceppe picked up momentum in quebec. Latest ekos seat projections (an...
• The liberal momentum stalled. It died in the english debate and layton picked up and duceppe picked up momentum in quebec. Latest ekos seat projections (an...
• I provide evidence and a solid reasoned argument to demonstrate the truth. All you do is say "no it isn't" every time i say 'yes it is.'. Contrary to what yo...
• Oh nonsense. It boiled down to a very simple issue at the time - was the evidence provided by the United States and Britian credible evidence or not. IF it...
• I heard that if dion wins the election, the blue fairy will turn him into a REAL little boy. :)
• well we know that's where things are. Dion has to worry about a slide to the ndp as well. Harper wasn't the only one who did good in that debate, layton di...
• I can't keep up with them any more. :)
• Which is about where it's been for some time. It may go up and down a touch but within the margins that's where we seem to be sitting. Harper will gain sea...
• It's possible for the libs to fracture like the PC did - but it's not likely. Certainly not in the near future. It may happen if the libs crash economically ...
• It's quite simple - it comes from intelligent reviews of the facts and history, and from a strong knowledge of how our system works. And yes - your bias op...
• There is no doubt that the libs will avoid another election at all costs for at least 18 months. They will be worse than broke, and there's going to be a lea...

Chat about the Leaders' Debate Live (2008-10-02)

• i'm not - i have a tough time understanding him. And he seems really desperate.
• I'm surprised in the medical section the fact the CPC is changing immigration and has a plan to help foreign trained doctors qualify and be brought up to spe...
• I did - i also noticed that it came up that this would be a good thing in the analysis last night. They seem to be aware of the cameras and look at the leade...
• Dion is getting creamed - and that little jab "if you couldn't do the job of opposition i have no idea why you're trying to be prime minister' will really s...
• AM i dreaming - or did dion just say in response to Jack layton who asked 'i hope you're going to listen to those premiers you're going to meet with when the...
• I'd say that's probably pretty accurate. I loved gilles comment "i'm not going to be prime minister. You three aren't either even if some of you don't admi...
• We're going to disagree??!!? SHOCKED! SHOCKED I AM!!!!!! :) Well - bottom line is it's always hard to say when you're 'rooting' for one person. I've had s...
• Ok - best comment of the night goes to lizzy "Did you win?" (throws hands up) "of COURSE i won! Weren't you there?!? :) "
• Well that's not true. That assumes every supporter is a supporter because of their climate change plans. That's probably far from true, other than perhaps th...
• The americans do a lot more 'referendums' on various issues with their votes, and that would make a lot of sense on many issues. It's something that i wouldn...
• Well that's simply not true. Harper does have a plan - his point is that he had a plan last year when he saw this coming and they're going to continue it. Wh...
• I don' t recall harper endorsing paul martin for the office of prime minister tho. :) Mrs May has done just that, tho she tries to say she's not REALLY doing...
• America 'caught cold' over a year ago. So the 6 month thing is out. The housing crisis down there has been very serious for quite some time. And the last t...
• Well - i saw almost all of them taking notes at one point or another, so maybe that's not quite accurate, but it's good you really feel she got her message o...
• Oh i don't think she has any illusions about being prime minister in the near future :)
• Actually it has worked - the three strongest provinces in confederation use exactly that model and it's been HIGHLY successful. Tax and spend has never wor...
• The 'green shift' is also an 'urban-rurral' shift. not surprising considering most of dion's voters are in major metro areas. The fact is it will severely ...
• Well - it's interesting, some have noted that the green shift is actually one of the most divisive policies we've seen in a while. It splits east and west (d...
• I think layton did well, and probably will gain a little strength. I think you're right, harper is going to win the election, dion just didn't pull it off we...
• Well - there was no 'clear winner' in the sense of a knock out blow, but there was a loser and that was dion. He needed to do really stand out against layton...
• It was spread around because may actually DID say she wanted to see dion as PM and she did a deal with the liberals. I don't think you can exactly say the co...
• One thing's for sure - banning a hunk of metal isn't going to do a single bit of good. Once someone's decided to kill, they'll find a way. In bc we had a kid...
• And to top it off - youth violence IS actually on the rise. At least according to statcan. More importantly - the nature of crime is changing. More innocen...
• There is no chance of any kind of coallition gov't with duceppe. At best they might strike temporary deals on specific topics.
• Nonsense. You can't draw a comparison like that. First off - many of the carbon taxes are very very different than what dion proposes - they didn't try to 's...
• Actually - it used to be quite common not to release a policy document. Harper's made his intents pretty clear. He may yet release a policy document intendin...
• Well you can always park your vote with the greens. They won't win anything, and they're sure noisy :)
• I'm not so sure. It's looking that way at the moment. But there's still a little time left and he did pretty good tonite. Even if he is a little like a parti...
• Who's the second party then? Dion hasn't got any chance of forming gov't. What we're looking at here is who's going to form opposition.
• She isn't given the public spotlight to express those kinds of views - she's there to promote the green party. If she doesn't - then she becomes a shill for ...
• It is absolutely NOT true that handguns have no use at all. You're simply uninformed. First off - they're a huge source of entertainment and sports. It's a...
• Taxes that don't really count? What on earth could you possibly mean by that? The gst cut cost us something like 5 billion dollars a year, and ONLY people...
• It's not clear at all from your statement that it's unsupportable. You would have to demonstrate which of the OP's points you feel are inaccurate or what par...
• He showed he's not a prime minister. That's just unfortunately the way it is. Here's an article on the results, and some commentary on why. Dion NEEDED a w...
• That's about how i see it.
• A problem that's being worked on with some success. BC did a program similar to that for nurses. It involved country specific training to get nurses from o...
• So - his big plan is to meet with the regional leaders and then not listen to them because it would be wrong to get caught up in regionalism. Are you kiddi...
• No, i meant to sound more humorous than anything :) . I meant specifically that I've had training in speech arts and the use of (or lack of use of) body lan...
• Dion panicked. He knows he's getting creamed on the economy. He needed to do SOMETHING and it had to be something that was inexpensive and as non controversi...
• Harper wins, Layton second, Dion trails: poll Poll gives nod to Harper, with Layton second Meagan Fitzpatrick, Canwest News Service Published: Thursday, Oc...
• hehehe :) ohhh sorry boys. This just isn't your election :) But there's no real point living in denial The good news is it won't hurt the libs much worse t...
• I tend to agree. Decentralization makes for stronger confederation.
• Unfortunately - not all of that is true. First off - while carbon taxes CAN be revenue neutral - this one is not. Dion's own numbers don't add up to a 'r...
• First point - dion's failure to vote addressed the poster's premise that the ndp should give up and get behind dion to present a united front. Given dion's f...
• Gohabs - it was the LIBERALS who coined the term 'wealth shift' For example this recently appeared in the papers - An Ontario Liberal MP said yesterday h...
• Well you weren't alone moving to 'undecided' - looks like that column went up 3 points as well. Well see in the next couple days. Either ekos will come in ...
• Oh hell ya. Campbell is in serious trouble - NOBODY is happy with the carbon tax and even die hard right wing voters are considering voting ndp instead to te...
• At least double? It's going to go from 2.5 cents to 7.5 cents! I agree - when he got in he was clumsy but he got the job done we elected him to do. Now - i...
• Hahahaha :) yeah, with about a 15 point lead on average we're simply petrified :) Wait till election night - you'll have some REAL fun then :) I'm still se...
• heh - no prob :) The undecided thing. You know - the problem with any rolling poll is that its' less of a 'snapshot' than actually doing a proper poll in s...
• I don't think alberta needs any more people in it at the moment :) We may wind up with an ndp gov't for a short period - but carol james is pretty harmless....
• Well - lets wait till you have time. No point in me doing a rebuttal till you're around to discuss it :) I will say having seen a carbon tax in action I dis...
• Really. Sounds more like you're the bias one. Which fact is suspect? If it's not true it should be quite easy to dig up proof of it's inaccuracy. Lets hear...
• Many say they respect an opponent. Many say they appreciate things about opponents. But they all acknowledge they're opponents. THey don't root for each othe...
• I do appreciate your fair response on the guns, (seriously). Most of the time people simply aren't educated on the issue and fair enough - why should they be...
• True. Hell - criminals in canada have been busted for MAKING guns. Good guns too not some cheap single shot saturday night special. Fully automatic 9mm ste...
• Actually nik's had it at about eleven and growing. One day's results aren't terribly significant. If they were dion would have surrendered long ago when the ...
• a political party leader is not representing themselves either tho. They are representing the party members who elected them into a position. And our politic...
• I don't think i ever predicted 165 seats for the tories - it's possible i may have said that's what the numbers would be based on the polling of that day. Bu...
• Electoral reform is not even remotely close to 'disrespect' for the system. I may think that speeding laws should be changed, but until they are I still re...
• Sure, there's always politics. Yes - mr dion shouldn't be saying there's a 'hidden agenda'. Yes harper shouldn't be saying dion will raise the gst. That kind...
• I understand the behavior fine. I understand a bank robber's behavior fine as well. Comprehension isn't the problem here. What i said is it's wrong. Just l...
• well the in and out thing is only unethical if it's illegal. If it's within the rules, it's ethical. Parties are expected to live within the law but do to ev...
• There is no contradiction. It is expected for parties to do what they can within the law to win the election. However - ms may is not trying to win the e...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 36, LP 26, NDP 20, BQ 10, GP 9 (ending September 30) (2008-10-01)

• The libs are collapsing in quebec - which actually raises another question: could the bloc become opposition?
• Only if harper stole that blue tie from us :) The theft of taxpayer money is very real and the anger around it is quite logical and rational. As to the s...
• In fact - he was minister responsible when kyoto went ballistic and emissions went up by 20 percent. Now he's got a 'new' plan. I don't think so. He's hard...
• Of course he's back - liberals have no respect for the rules :)
• Ahh fortescue - chretien may have sent us to afghanistan, but wasn't it martin who sent us to kandahar, our first combat deployment? Or are my dates off ther...
• It was a democrat who nuked japan :)
• Well first off - the 'in and out' scheme did not involve the public purse. It involved the conservative's own cash - no public money was involved. That came ...
• Owner gets to make the rules. If someone invited you to use their property, you'd still be expected to treat it with respect. You wouldn't borrow someone's...
• Well, the consensus out there seems to be that Harper won the debate, but mostly by default. I doubt the debate shifted a lot of people one way or another, b...
• Well the toronto star said harper won - would you say that's a 'conservative' paper? :)
• Bored isn't so bad for him in that situation. Nobody got him flustered, he had an answer for everything they threw at him and they really didn't focus on the...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 37, LP 26, NDP 20, Bloc 10, GP 8 (ending September 29) (2008-09-30)

• Well yes - and to be honest those realistically were the questions from the beginning. Nobody really thought the libs could win. It's a question of how bad t...
• As a side note - i think 'majority vs non majority' is going to depend largely on voter turn out. I think it's going to be close in a lot of ridings and who ...
• Well - cpc's up again and probably will be again tomorrow (just in time for the debates) but i think this is probably a pretty accurate picture. The CPC has ...
• Well the 'vote split' is a factor, but i don't think it's as big a one as people think. I think it'll mostly result in seat swaps between the libs and ndp an...
• Yeah - dion's lost this one. Last election Martin (who was a far better campaigner) started far ahead of the cpc, and was able to recover some of that at t...
• Well they're not likely to encourage new donations while they're perceived as 'losers' after losing another election. Worse - dion and co haven't paid off ...
• True. He's always been very talented.
• Hard to say - they're making some real inroads in several urban ridings where they've come in second or third in the past in fairly close races. But - you'...
• True. He hasn't got the budget :)
• whereas the libs around here have been showing nothing but love and respect right? :)
• well - a little of both. The bloc has picked up some cpc support - but is also stealing hard from a lot of the liberal support. We'll see what happens.
• Yeah, but even folks who disagree with the guy have to admit - he's got style and he makes hard hitting points that aren't just slag attacks or mudslinging. ...
• Ahh - well yes. But considering we started neck and neck with the bloc, we've obviously bled a little to them i think. The libs are just doing worse. :)
• Well actually that's not true at all. And again - its' the kind of nonsense statement we see often enough from libs with short term memories. Inclusivene...
• There is nothing 'treasonous' in choosing whether or not to stay in confederation. That's a choice - do we still belong together, or should we be seperate....
• Now you were the one who screamed bloody blue murder about 'leger' polls when i mentioned the last one - so suddenly you're a fan? :) Since the election sta...
• You need no help to destroy yourselves - you're doing a fine job of it on your own. If harper truly wanted you destroyed he would just sit back and wait. Ont...
• Nik's purchased numbers list actually does contain both cell and VOIP numbers. So they are getting polled.
• Because using someone else's script is so bad it might distract voters from things the libs did like adscam ? Good luck with that :) It's pretty desperate :)
• Shhhhhhht! - you're not supposed to tell about the iraq invasion plans harper has! Man - next you'll let it slip about the plan to "nuke unborn gay wales for...
• Replace dion with an avacado. You'd have a better chance of winning.
• Actually - seeing as the liberal party is currently polling lower than when it had NO leader after martin resigned, i think I could make a pretty fair case :...
• Why? You've never cared about facts before when shown to you, or cared to show yours when you make statements. How about this - how about you look it up an...
• And harper eats babies! In our cities! In canada! (we're making this up.)
• So - martin was under attack for stealing the people's money and using it to illegally fund campaigns in order to subvert the democratic process in quebec an...
• No, he'll still win the election if he drops 6 percent - he'll lead the liberals by 5 at that point. And that's not a realistic possibility. Certainly not ...
• Awwww - did your little feelings get hurt again? I know how much the truth hurts you - hearing the truth seems to be to liberals what sunlight is to vampires...
• So - you feel that when they were stealing money from canadians and rigging elections they were the best choice? Well that says a lot more about you :)
• The federal gov't isn't holding back anything. You're just so used to bail outs that you think if you don't get one someone must be holding something back. ...
• No -you're not the lowest. Here's from the finance site federally - In 2008-09, support through major transfers to Ontario will be approximately $21.8 bi...
• BTW - does this mean you were lying? I mean you were wrong, and you've said that if someone is wrong they MUST be lying, so you were lying right?
• Oh - and lo and behold - the LOWEST province, the province receiving the least in transfer payments per captia is .... (drum roll...) SASKATCHEWAN!!! :) I...
• No - you'd be long gone if he suspended people just for making stuff up :)
• Actually - there really isn't. You see - the 'tough times' you speak about are actually times created by the libearls. In the 1970's, Trudeau went balli...
• Well that will likley be harper's underlying message. Want arts funding? Want extra help for quebec in rough times? Want to have a voice in parliament? The...
• I think it's safe to say duceppe will indeed go after Dion. Duceppe is making serious inroads in previously liberal territory. If the liberal support collaps...
• Without a doubt. Larryl is of course completely misinformed on the issue. Reform ran canadidates in all ridings by the end, and it was the exact opposide of ...
• Larryl - you've described yourself as a 'die hard liberal' here. So you have a party. As to the question of the multi party gov't. Like any model, there ar...
• I read your post - but i'm not even sure what 'inappropriate' comments mbags/tpc made that got them canned. For all i know it was excessive swearing and not ...
• No - i did not get that it was sarcasm :) Sorry.
• The reform did not begin as a protest party. The reform began as a party that would fairly include all regions including the west (whereas the parties of the...
• Didn't see the post but point it out. I can't see how it's possible for there to have been an 'in and out' scheme to get donations - it doesn't really apply....
• Well of course - i paid extra on my car insurance specifically for 'to and from crazy' coverage! Might as well use it I figure... :)
• It makes absolutely no sense for a party to give money to someone and then take it back. The 'recipient' may well gain a benefit but the party doesn't. Thi...
• Larryl, you're wrong. The 'intent' of the law was to remove the ability of a prime minister to have SOLE rights to call an election. But that only applies in...
• Are you on glue or something? There WERE no rules preventing a wealthy businessman from donating all the money he wanted to in those days! Those rules are NE...
• What rules? The 'crook' can donate whatever he likes - there WAS no donation limit in those days! A wealthy billionaire could have given the reform party 10...
• Then why wouldn't the donor just give them 50 bucks and they write out a reciept for 100? Why give them the 50 in the first place? And how did you explain t...
• You have every reason to believe he's yanking your chain - it makes no sense. He could tell you that the reform actually is funded by santa's elves but it ...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 36, LP 26, NDP 20, GP 9, BQ 9 (ending September 28) (2008-09-29)

• Again - not many surprises leading up to the debates. Ndp up one, libs down one. That's not any real movement, tho it does suggest that the ndp and libs prob...
• Oh don't be so silly. Of course he won't. If anything we'll advance. Millions of business women who are entrepreneurs will suddenly have the same rights work...
• Well - taking off my CPC supporter hat and putting on my political junkie hat to answer that question... ten points is pretty damn hard to beat. Anything is...
• True. The ndp vote seems to be strengthening in some key urban ridings. And the fact is they didn't miss by much in a lot of ridings last time. Even a one ...
• There is some reason to believe your thoughts on quebec could well be true. I think that the cpc is still competative in a few of the key ridings and that th...
• Well of course you wont' see it in the msm. Because it isn't even remotely true :) In fact they're up in bc by virtually every poll taken. They appear to be...
• Probably not far off - based on the poll we just saw. But as i said before it seems awefully odd that two weekends in a row there'd be an unexplained drop an...
• While many do not watch the debates, most of those tend to read or watch the highlights the next day and look for who 'won' and 'lost' and what the key point...
• It tends to have to be pretty clear for anyone to declare a 'win'. If it's close, it's a draw. So when there's a 'win' it's usually pretty obvious and they t...
• He will definitely be getting attacked but i don't think it'll all be about him. I think we'll see layton and dion bump heads and probably dion and duceppe a...
• There's no doubt - the Libs are hard left these days. The cpc is actually closer to the middle than any party out there, which is why they tend to get more s...
• Quite simple - those guys have had a valid excuse to avoid the problems of marriage for years and they threw it away! :) :) :) Now they're stuck with all th...
• All of whom have been far more honest than pretty much all the libs - martin, chretien, all the adscam boys, goodale, etc. I've left a lot out of course, b...
• Well that's just stupid. Sounds like you'd be the one with 'prejudice' issues. Honestly - join us here in the 21'st century and leave your bullcrap ideology ...
• Heheh - exactly westerner. Gee - Cadman, a bribe that never was (unless someone's found a life insurance company that'll give a policy to a dying man?) In...
• Not hard to find bud - lets start with the very basics. Goodale swore up and down that he was 100 percent certain the leak on income trusts did not come f...
• What, if i don't answer in ten seconds you repeat yourself? Settle down a minute my good man :)
• Christine - trendlines predicts 152-C, 74-L, 45-BQ, 36-NDP & 1-I. They then go on to point out that last year they were wrong, so they attempt a manual tra...
• Actually - electionprediction.org is notoriously innacurate. But the trendlines research is completely whacked - i'm surprised you even posted it. What t...
• Well in 2006 people were still afraid of harper. That's gone. And the fact is - dion ain't no paul martin. If you're hoping for a last minute comeback - ...
• Settle down HC - he's just angry that ontario is basically now the west's biatch in stead of the other way around :) After 130 years of believing they were ...
• I can imagine. If they were the worst i'd suggest you get out of the house more :) And there's a difference between 'opinion' and 'propaganda'. Your posts f...
• IN the past the liberals were the incumbent, not the CPC. And dion is no Martin or Chretien. He's a lot more like another turner. Good luck with that.
• Modern liberalism has become steeped and based in bigotry. They are only 'tolerant' of people and views they like. Push a little, and the truth comes out - t...
• Well in a very practical sense there is actually - if we're at about 5 billion now (which was what the last numbers just released said) and we have the proje...
• Well that's easy HC - when the libearls decided they're more 'Entitled" to your money than you are :) I should have thought you knew that :)
• OH i'm sure dion has his own diapers and we won't need to lend him any :) Unless you mean we'll be laughing so hard we might crap ourselves :)
• Quite true lex - if Elf believed what she said - she'd vote ndp. They're the only ones who haven't broken an election promise once in power. Of course - they...
• Yeah - but the cpc was creaming them both in that poll.
• Well according to that they were off by 36 ridings in 2004, and some of their projections were WAY off (missed by 10 for the ndp alone). So - not so good. ...
• LOL - followed by more of the usual 'intelligent' debate we've come to see from the libs i note :) Great argument TPQ - if you were still in elementary schoo...
• No christine - according to their website that's the straight line output of their latest model. This is what their model suggests the seats will be. Quote...
• See my response. According to trendlines - that is their STRAIGHT projection based on their latest model. Sunday's chart numbers reflect the introduction o...
• Coming in third puts them only slightly better than middle of the pack. Not 'a lot better than just about anyone else." There were only ten models. And non...
• No - i posted that earlier. Here's how they're dealing with their past 'results'. Quote It can be seen in the chart below that the Liberals gained 27 u...
• Actually the latest projections are harper will pick up seats in quebec, and the ndp might very well also. Sorry bud - just not looking good in quebec for ...
• And as i pointed out in the other thread - it was you who was being dishonest. Trendline gets those numbers from it's OWN projection model. However - bec...
• BTW - i'm curious as to why you would post those numbers when you admit ekos was more accurate? Why not post the ekos numbers instead? They're right on their...
• True. History shows quite clearly that if we don't like a party, we will destroy it even if it means a party we don't like gets in. Something the east strug...
• I know HC, and they wonder why other provinces don't really like them. They complain when others attack them but really all we've seen from mbags is bigotry ...
• We won't sue you. We'll just vote your liberals into oblivion :) THEN we'll sue what's left of them.
• You appear to have lost what was left of your wits :) I've never suggested you be put up for human rights violations. You don't have politics in ontario -...
• I think what you're doing is trying to tell yourself. I can understand that - not everyone can face the reality of the situation. I don't know about a maj...
• Actually we're talking about trendlines logic. But i can see where the whole 'logic' thing confused you :) SDSYPP and HYEBWCB ! :)
• Mbags - Sask and Man both have 14. Not 12 and 8. Welcome to the 21'st century :) Guess that was some more of that 'liberal math', was it? :) so - that'd...
• So you're predicting a cpc majority then? :)
• Ahh - actually alberta will make about the same amount of money. They structure everything around the idea that oil needs to be better than about 60 bucks. ...
• Heh - well it's not really alberta greed seeing as i'm actually not in alberta nor albertan by birth :) I'm a bc boy :) But the western provinces for the m...
• In my reality bud. :) Unless the liberals filed false paperwork with elections canada or is getting more little brown envelopes full of money :) Didn't you...
• Oh harper sees it that way just fine. He's putting more effort into ontario and quebec these days, etc etc. And saying he's an imposter... what the hell do...
• Oh i wouldn't go so far as to lay the blame for all the woes that sector is feeling on the backs of the unions. But - they played a big role. And sure th...
• Hard to say what the debates will result in. I suspect the cpc numbers are already closer to 37 38 than niks' weekend numbers suggest. We may see that today ...
• I've never believed in 'party loyalty'. The idea that we should vote for someone just because of the 'party' is a poor idea. That's a very western view in ge...
• Oh give it up!!!! Harris hasn't been around for nearly a decade! That is the most pathetic comment i've heard in some time - and considering i've watched dio...
• Plus - in pre school the teacher once sent a note home saying harper wasn't taking his nap like he should!
• Ahh - so the liberal campaign is now being dveloped based on the economic/political brilliance of wc fields. Actually - that does explain why it's such a j...
• Sorry - half a decade. An entire term in office for mcguinty - and you're still using it as an excuse? That's still assinine. And no - flatterly never sa...
• Whereas you're just getting mouldy? :) Well i'm somewhat flattered you think of me as wc fields - he was brilliant as a comedian :) when i think of you - ...
• ROFLMAO - you're the one who came here whining and crying - the issue wasn't even brought up till you showed :) Sounds like you've got a bad case of 'small...
• Oh yes - your intellect and reason really shine out :) I haven't heard such 'convincing' reason since the last KKK trial transcript i read :)
• No mbags - you are the liar. Post your reference for that - i posted the quote he said and it's the only quote he said. So - if im wrong post a link to his...
• Oh i didn't think it was your height that was the problem size wise :) And dude - we're totally laughing at you behind your back :) and to your face as it h...
• A lot of them are available online - canadian hate crime versions can be found at canlii.org (along with a lot of other court cases) but its judgements only ...
• ROFL - got word while you were asleep and dreaming? There's no chance of any liberal seats in alberta.
• Of course i'm right - i know my stuff. And i posted the EXACT quote he said - "If you're going to make a new business investment in Canada, and you're co...
• But your supposition is wrong. The fact you get 2000 and quebec gets 4000 doesn't mean you don't get enough - it means they get too much. That's not why yo...
• yes - because some comments in 2003 are highly relevant to our election today, but dion's comments that he'll consider raising the gst and that carbon taxes ...
• uhhh - no, no it isn't. Today's nanos poll is cpc 37, libs 26 ndp 20 bq -10 gr - 8. why do you do that? I mean - did you think i wasn't going to go look?...
• No - alberta has the highest immigration rate in the country - followed by bc. The population of Alberta increased at the rate of 29.5 per 1,000 in the yea...
• Fair enough - mistakes do happen. Harper's not actually 'stuck' where he was before. He's been consistantly polling higher than he did before. He'll dip an...
• Well bc is the highest as far as percentage 'right off the boats' in 2008. We actually get more in total numbers than quebec and not that much less than onta...
• Well there were a lot of seats where the cpc lost to the libs by only a few points. Consider vancouver quadra for example - lost by 151 votes. With the lib...
• Well i'm pretty sure we don't get that much at all and certainly nothing for the inter provincial stuff, but i would argue that means Quebec gets more than i...
• No, it's not 'skewed' by my cpc background. And if you haven't figured out that i don't open my mouth without knowing what i'm talking about yet, you haven...
• Oh it was very 'sudden'. I remember the day mcguinty brought it up and released his numbers- which haven't changed btw he's still using the same ones. And ...
• Oh - so the polling comany is actually a partisan conservative company? That is about as intelligent as suggesting the toronto star is right wing. The po...
• Fair enough. Tho i guess it is still time to talk about rae. Or likely will be after the election anyway.
• "whatever'. Wow - brilliant response :) The truth is the truth. And it's always better to deal with the truth than with what you wish was true.
• How do you know rae has 'matured'? If harris were running for prime minister (Which is likely going to be the case with rae) and I said "oh but he's mature...
• One might easily say exactly the same story about rae - many ontarians came out here as a result of his 'reign' and had the same story to tell. But we were...
• Rae was hated more than harris was - and he's a liberal now. Harris isn't in the CPC.
• So the liberals have gotten to the point where they're introducing a 'crime' committed in 2003 that's so severe someone might possibly get kicked out of scho...
• Rae was 'verily verily' hated just as much (forsooth! yea gods and little boarlettes! :) ) As to the trophy chick - trudeau had children out of wedlock chea...
• Right - so you make hundreds of mistakes and i tend to let them slide - but if i make one then i'm a liar :) So - when you posted the wrong stats for today ...
• ROFL - maligned a dead man :) That would be about the nicest thing i'd have had to say about trudeau :) I guess you maligned Nik Nanos by lying about his ...
• Oh, and as to why you would lie - when has a liberal ever needed a reason?
• Elf - none of the leaders write their own speeches. I'm sure you know that. Further - less than half the speech was copied. As to it being a 'coming out'...
• Really. So - when a liberal called americans 'bastards' etc, that wasn't rude or agressive. All the Liberal smear ads done by Paul Martin - neither agressive...
• Well i think we're getting a little closer to agreement on some of the points. With respect to speech writers, they're used pretty extensively. I don't thi...
• The green party - well that's almost worth a second post just to address that issue :) So maybe i'll make this one a double and save that till i address your...
• As to the greens :) Some of the original green philosophy i kind of liked. But the current incarnation is pretty nasty. First off - may is a liar. She sai...
• Elf - i don't recall saying you were 'blinded' by anything. About the closest i came was pointing out that if your basis for voting is to find a party who ha...
• The only thing that keeps any politician honest is knowing we'll happily throw the baby out with the bathwater if we need to. A short term pain for a long ...
• Elf - the 'canadians dont' want an election' excuse is a joke, and I think that even you can see thru that. Dion didn't want an election, and that's just t...
• Elf - he cut something like a 45 million from a budget that is well over 2 billion bucks. And they've still added MORE to the art funding than they've cut. ...
• ooooh - now i don't know that i said i see NOTHING wrong with harper :) I think i may have said he's the better choice - that's not necessarily the same thi...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 36, LP 27, NDP 19, GP 9, BQ 9 (ending September 27) (2008-09-28)

• Looks more like there was a sudden jump in the undecided - possibly people saying undecided instead of cpc - but it's very very odd that this is the second w...
• He does sound like a whiner actually. It's being commented on quite a bit - he really doesn't do well when he's 'excited'.
• If it's a rogue it won't clear by tomorrow mrm - it'll take two or three days. Rolling poll, remember? But - if it's the second weekend in a row that happe...
• 1 - they hid and sheltered those who did. By canadian law and international law that makes them as guilty as if they'd launched the attack themselves. If y...
• That WAS the fact - he sounds like a whiner. If you want a more specific break down, he has a tendancy to raise his voice pitch when he gets 'excited'. Com...
• You are living proof that a fool and his ideas are not easily parted at all. :) 1 - Let me say this again - every international law including canada's say t...
• He sounds and looks like a whiner. That was the original comment - you wanted more details - i provided them. There is a way to hold yourself to look like ...
• Wow. You're not the brightest bulb in the drawer, are you :) Nik's talented, but hardly perfect. Why do you think his polls are plus or minus 3 percent? T...
• You're a little weird aren't ya. First off - these numbers would give him a stronger minority than he has now. Which is perfectly fine with the CPC and sup...
• LOL - you like a party that takes brown envelopes at restaurants - i don't think 'standards' come into play :) but - how a speaker appears is not a matter ...
• No - just those who insult me :) And we've bumped into each other before :)
• 20th and 21st what? What are you talking about?
• Ok - i wasn't sure what you were talking about. That's rather the point i was making tho - last week (20th) the poll took a very sudden and unexplained maj...
• There is no chance harper is done if he wins the election, regardless of the seat count. And while dion's up today, his trend is down. A trend reflected in o...
• Ontario hasn't paid for the 'means' for any western provinces. Ever. Occasionally ottawa makes a small investment which is inevitably sucked backed 10 fold o...
• All kinds of weird things can happen on weekends, that's for sure. :) Might just be that more liberals are home, or fewer cpc are or god knows what.
• Seriously rsharp, while we may have our political disagreements the wheat board issues is one that should trancend that for canadians. Having the right to ch...
• Well that's just completely nuts. It's the liberal party that has been the 'friend' of big business, and what has harper done that makes him 'friendlier' to ...
• Well, to be fair, every liberal leader has described themselves as a devout catholic, the 'original christian freaks' (inquisition anyone? :) ). Liberal lead...
• Well, things are very different in the states. I think the idea of the 'radical religious right' in the states has been grossly overstated in size, but witho...
• Well you know - there ARE worse things than worshipping a guy who basically said how great it would be if folks were just nice to everyone for a change :) I...
• Well first off like i said, the CPC really isn't a 'christian' party per se, unlike the republican party of the states. But just to compare as you suggest ...
• Well i called the idea nuts. Unless english is your second language, you should have been able to differentiate between the two. But if it's any help whats...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 39, LP 25, NDP 19, GP 9, BQ 8 (ending September 26) (2008-09-27)

• Well - a little boring of course, but it was to be expected :) There's not going to be much more movement till closer to the debates unless something big hap...
• There's some indication that there's a coalescing of support for the ndp in the main urban areas.
• watch the french debate - there'll be an interpreter to convert his french to english, which may help a little. There's unfortunately no one to translate his...
• Dion has to do something more than just yell - that's for sure.
• there is no humility in him at all. And the problem isn't just him - most liberal supporters i've seen (including you rsharp) insist that in essence if we do...
• That's in urban ridings only - not in canada in general. And to be fair that's not CTV, that's harris decima. If it makes you feel any better tho, i woul...
• Side note tho - i wonder if that's about to become a self-fulfilling prophecy? It's in the papers today and in the toronto star as well. It's possible that r...
• Awww - are you having a bad day because your losing still? Hey - i'm sorry dion is both arrogant and incompetant (as this campaign is quickly showing). You ...
• oooo - you've got me writhing in the grip of your impeccable logic again. :) You never had any credibility to start with, so you're pretty much still holdi...
• Liberalman - all this says is that alberta was forced to sell their oil to people at a discount rate to buy votes east of ontario. Not much of a 'subsidy'....
• Turn to NDP to stop Harper, Layton says after poll gains JULIAN BELTRAME The Canadian Press September 27, 2008 at 9:24 PM EDT OTTAWA — A resurgent NDP Le...
• rather than make you address the same points twice - i'll reply under larryls' thread. :)
• Exactly. And this is the point i was making about the 'discount' mbags. If ontario refineries have to pay more, then quebec and eastern refineries have a 'di...
• Mbags - i'm old enough to remember a lot of things - young enough not to have dementia about it :)
• ROFLMAO - yeahhhh ontario is so hard done by fiscally :) Take a look at the response i made, and while you're at it, keep in mind that since the 90's albert...
• Well albertans get worked up pretty easily. It's of course foolish to say that there has never been any kind of money flow to alberta. But i think it's wrong...
• Lots of good questions. 1 - this is a subject of much debate - usually because people can't do math properly and forget what confederation is. Every now ...
• The current elevation of past grievances to near - religious status with some folks out this way is, without a doubt, unfortunate.
• First point i should bring up - i'm not actually albertan. :) I'm british columbian. But we sure watched the whole thing happen - and tonnes of albertans wh...
• Well i'm in bc - different story - but i don't think it's fair to say alberta hasn't been paying it's share of dough back towards ottawa. Per capita it's a l...
• I don't recall harper saying that :) And the fish in my lakes are pretty good eating and were long before harper showed up :D
• uhh - no he's not :) And ontario didn't pay for the irrigation systems at all, unless i missed something. The feds did. ANd that'd be the same feds making a ...
• "I NEVER heard a complaint from them when Mulroney 'stacked' it with PCs." Well you weren't listening closely then :) the west didn't really like mulroney m...
• Well you're welcome, but as you say it's the simple truth. Too many people just don't take the time to look the truth up anymore.
• Well it wouldn't surprise me, but i'd have to argue that the problem probably predates harper's 3 year minority term :) And realistically, i guess that's th...
• Oh i think mulroney bailed because he knew what was coming. You think he'd have given up after just two terms if he didn't see the 'end of days' coming down ...
• Well - most of the west was raised that way - bc and alberta especially. And some of the reasons are real enough - but not near enough to justify the depth ...
• Well - no, not exactly. The expansion west was actually at the insistance of ontario who wanted to secure the land for political reasons. The praries were hu...
• Well the same thing is true of a carbon tax - which is a write off after all :) I don't know that i said he was going to 'beat on the tarsands'. I think he'...
• heh :) cheap shot :) Harper's pretty clean. Layton's pretty clean too. For politicians. Dion probably is as well, but the lib party is not. It's still ful...
• I don't think there are as many 'life long' liberals as there was. There's a lot of polling information and such to suggest that people are more willing to s...
• Oh yeah, i get where you're coming from and i know the type of guy who's irritating you :) some of the 'zealots' come up with some of the most rediculous com...
• Income trusts weren't a lie. People throw that word around way too easy these days. He made a promise. The liberals and ndp made the same promise. I'm quit...
• Too young to have any rot so far :) Don't get me wrong - i'm not saying it's because 'conservatives are all pure of heart whereas all liberals are corrupt ...
• I think adscam and such really shook a lot of people's faith in the libs and they're looking to make a decision. And lets not forget that under turner they...
• I can appreciate the idea that lowering taxes creates short term pain that's unacceptable to some. But the fact is - we went thru that pain out here and in...
• It's a good start :) And income trusts will be taxable in 2011. That is true. Sorry if your buddies don't want to pay their fair share of tax. i can unde...
• Hard to say. they'd do better than dion that's for sure - neither of them would have proposed the green tax. The liberals did make a monumental mistake wit...
• We were stony broke in 2000. I mean - horribly broke. A have not province for the first time. And we had the ndp to thank for it at the time. High taxes, etc...
• If your buddy put 100 grand into an income trust and lost everything, it wasn't harpers fault. He picked a bad fund. Most of them have regained most of what ...
• Not only is it possible, it's almost inevitable at this point. the ndp will most likely be the new 'red' party. And the main reason for that isn't dion - i...
• Caps lock make your post kinda hard to read bud. Just thought i'd mention it. Well Yeah, i tend to disagree with things like the UI plan being unbalanced a...
• Well if it cost him 100 g - he must have had a lot more than 100 g in them. Especially if it's still cost him that much. I didn't mean to suggest he wasn't...
• It has already happened. It's too late to change that - even if the libs had gotten what they did last time they were probably done. But it's pretty obvious ...
• I've been nothing but straight with you. Sounds more to me you're someone who just doesn't like to hear the truth. As to getting off the board - nope. So...
• No - income splitting has ALWAYS been there for cpp. This is new. It allows people over 65 to split all their income. In many cases one partner or another ...
• I think it's safe to say harper has no interest in destroying ontario. Flaterty told you the truth. If you don't like the truth that's your problem. But it...
• Parnel? I never brought up anyone named parnel?
• Well what i was pointing out is that now seniors can split ALL income, not just cpp or pensions. That's new. Not old. And i addressed the 'american' mode...
• You never mentioned your inlaws were dead bags. The cpp was not changed in 2006. That was my point - it was unaffected by the changes as it clearly says in...
• The very best thing to do is sit down with a good accountant. there's a few ways to do it and choosing the best and easiest for him requires a professional t...
• Some of the questions i'd have to ask to give you even a 'direction' to move in would certainly be too private for an open board. Feel free to pm me and i'll...
• Actually, the 'big' gains were for ottawa :)
• I don't think that's true tpq. Nor do i think they only sold gas in ontario. It's not like there's a refinery for each province or anything, or anything to s...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 39, LP 24, NDP 19, BQ 9, GP 8 (ending September 25) (2008-09-26)

• This is incredible. Down for, what, the 5th day in a row? Interesting how the 'who would make best pm' question so closely mirrors the results of the parti...
• The west is going tory, that sure seems to be the case. This has happened before of course - but this time the west has enough seats to make that pretty deva...
• I'm not sure the bloc support is all that firm. And realistically i expect that if there is a general coalescing of support behind one party on the left, i...
• Probably pretty accurate - we'll know more when we see what the polls say as we get closer after the debates. If the libs tank completely, it'll be a severe ...
• Well he IS mostly appearing at children's schools - it may help at that :) Come to think of it - given the fact that we've had nothing but minorities and co...
• Always a good question - I think 99 percent of voters study the issues very little. I seem to recall that after 3 months of campaigning for the green tax, wi...
• I loved the 'anything stupid' comment. I think that on some level that really resonated with people. They always think the gov't is doing something stupid - ...
• Hehehehe - yeah, she'd appeal to the left wingers AND the agricultural community.
• Depends how Dion reacts. The jack russel thing didn't work with martin because it looked like a smaller dog barking at a big dog. But dion may just counter '...
• Well right now it looks like the libs will still be opposition. But - The ndp is within striking distance.
• Well - he's got a real pickle. His best and only viable stratagy would be to convince voters that they should rally around the liberal brand to oppose harp...
• That will depend on layton i think. He's got to step up and offer something more than trash talking the opposition. But i think COULD climb above 20 percent,...
• Well it'll definately result in a rebirth - i don't know if they'll move back to the center yet or not. Hating the 'right wing' has become almost a religion...
• He's facing that no matter what he does. And worse - that was 16 years ago, and everyone knows it wasn't harper that tanked the economy, it was the problems ...
• I'm thinking closer to 50's. Give or take. With today's numbers they look around 59. And I think they'll bleed more than they are now.
• I think that's very optimistic. I think they'll do well to get 3 out of the west. I also think that they'll do well to take 10 out of quebec. The gap is wide...
• There's little doubt - a united right would have beat the libs in 97 and 2000 or at least had a much better chance. As soon as there was a united right - e...
• Change is just one form of 'vision'. Canadians have always responded well to a complete plan - a leader who paints a picture for them and they can see it c...
• If dion plays the rest of the game the way he's played the first half - i may turn out to be a pessimist in the end :) I look at patterns - and i see one em...
• Really what? The seat count? Yes, at the moment 59's a realistic projection.
• Yes - the truckers union there (which is like the pope to those people :) ) is very against dion's plan. Obviously with good reason.
• Hold on. Dion has been smearing and slandering pretty hard for quite a while. And he doesn't mind when his people do it either. There is no excuse for 'c...
• All parties benefit to some degree - the ndp will likely be the big recipient if there is a complete collapse of the libs.
• You know - going after harper is the traditional solution and harper has some weak points (all politicians do, and all gov'ts more so) but it rarely works. O...
• Don't worry about a CPC majority - it's less scary than you think. It always is. What people on the left - especially liberal supporters - need to focus on n...
• We can be partisan but still civil, right? :) Nothing wrong with a healthy debate, and it IS election time after all. Lets start with the attacks. You int...
• I doubt it's a sweep.
• I don't think harper misses much.
• We'll know more after the debates. The polls for 3 or 4 days after that will tell the story.
• Well a lot of people who don't watch the debate but they read the paper and watch the news the next day and look at the 'synopsis'. A lot of folks make their...
• I don't know why every person who gets where dion is goes to attacks. They rarely work and frequently backfire. It's not a winning stratagy for him, if any...
• He'll get murdered if he stays with just the attack stuff - he needs something else to give him momentum if he's going to stop the slide. And really this is ...
• Christine - are you REALLY being entirely fair here? Pig in lipstick is a common phrase. Pig in a sweater is clearly a direct reference to Mr harper himsel...
• LOL - well i'm sure it'll get spun that way a little, but really dion has to WIN. not just 'do ok'. And that'll either be clear or it won't. Frankly it may...
• Here now - i thought we were going to keep it civil? I wasn't rambling - If you don't understand something just ask, and i'll explain it to you again differe...
• oh please. I see you have your leader's taste for dishonesty. Harper made it clear from day one that he knew his people were going to offer to repay electio...
• Majere - interesting 3 answers (good question btw informed). Dope i get - i'm not opposed to legalizing it (tho i don't know about the 'tomatoes' thing :) ...
• Actually - dion lashed out many many many times. He just didn't use tv ads to do it. The cadman issue - he lashed out so much he's opened himself up to a l...
• there have been such complaints from his people. Well - we'll see what happens. The problem with dion 'winging it' is that he has a bad habit of saying som...
• All you've done is proven that what i said was true. To quote from your own article - Mr. Harper hired three forensic sound experts to review the tape and...
• So - to recap. The tape has been shown to be doctored by several experts. So you were wrong to suggest otherwise and i was correct. The Carbon tax and di...
• umm... did you mean to post that in another thread perchance?
• And he WILL have layton and harper to egg him on :) Yeah - it should be interesting :)
• Still thinking you may well be posting in the wrong spot there larryl - i think you have two windows open. You meant to put this in the other thread i think....

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 40, LP 25, NDP 19, BQ 9, GP 8 (ending September 24) (2008-09-25)

• There's also the margin of error. 19's not so bad if it's your low. But i think the ndp's chances are going to be based on how they do in the debate. I sus...
• The tories had no chance in montreal, and sinking there isn't much of a loss to them. It IS an amazing gain for the ndp, if they can translate that into seat...
• I don't think so. I think that the drop to 37 WAS the pull back. I think a lot of people liked the announcement of tough on criminal polluters policies. I th...
• The numbers will be volitile till at least after the debates. They'll start to firm up at that point. I doubt the cpc vote will stay at 40 - it'll cruise a...
• That's what i'm thinking skoblin. Layton's best bet is to suck away folks who used to be bloc but aren't really as engaged because the seperatist issue isn't...
• They were never going to take seats in montreal. Time will tell if quebec city and the areas around it care more about culture funding or the fact harper res...
• There were protests at trudeau's speech i believe. There is room there for a 'steal'. I think if montreal sees the libs collapsing they may well move to th...
• ROFL - yeah, the only thing that's saved the libs so far is that the tories are running a better campaign for the liberals than the liberals are :)
• There is no such thing. The libs in the past have collapsed (under turner) and they can do so now. Plus - there's the question of how many demoralized libera...
• Well there really is no 'good' stratagy for dion. His only real choice is to just go after harper hard, and hope that he sounds more passionate than the othe...
• A very real possiblity. If the ndp can demonstrate they have the better chance - i think they'll take it.
• Historically she's been a big fan of 'uniting the left'. If she does anything, she'll likely throw her support behind the libs to try to stave off defeat.
• Skoblin - with their current finances and borrowing if they get what they got before they're in real trouble. ANY drop will be disasterous for them.
• Meh - i'm not seeing it. I think any issue there will be short lived. I think at the end of the day while it's important to many quebecers there are other is...
• Heh - i know. I still laugh. And i'm not making this up :)
• Dion and the libs made me a criminal years ago with c-68. Harper isn't going after j-walkers, and everyone knows it. I'm sure you can see the difference be...
• I don't have a problem with the legalization of dope.
• Maybe. If he'd ever passed it. Of course - it didn't really legalize it, it just 'decriminalized' small amounts. Still against the law, just not criminal.
• which party would benefit? Whichever ones DIDN'T support the law in the first place :)
• You got it backwards - she likes harper but prefers her liberal candidate. The answer to that lori is actually almost the same - join the CPC party and vot...
• Yes, the quebecquios are a fairly practical bunch - it's better to have some pull with the actual gov't most of the time.
• Well, sounds about right. I'll be honest, quebec is the province i understand the least (which is fair - I've often though quebecers understand bc'ers and al...
• I'm sorry - at 14 you REALLY aught to be old enough to understand that murder is wrong. However - these aren't manditory minimums. The judges will still de...
• Sigh. You busted us. We're secretly growing them in our underground Conservative cloning facility, and there's nothing you can do about it Mr Bond!!!!!! If ...
• Almost every gov't spends more than any other govt in history. That's pretty much a given - costs tend to go up. But really - that's a pretty weak argument...
• There are many liberals who are seriously questioning the method of using the delegate system to select a leader. The delegate system is not a terribly goo...
• You should join the party and speak up. A lot of us have seen things we didn't like in the original cpc platforms and we've fought to remove them. And harp...
• And when did we get a 15 point shift in a day? The numbers change maybe one or two points in a day.
• It is a very sad fact that frequently those on the left have a habit of attempting ad hominem attacks on anyone they disagree with tory. Attempts to discredi...
• G&M's free on the net Larryl - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/
• Too close to call with these numbers Tory - looks like about 154 seats for the cpc and that's right on the edge. If they go up even a hair in quebec, they'll...
• And while i'ts a 'technical' majority - it's not really a majority. The fact is that if one of your people was sick, or off doing something else, you would h...
• Rsharp - nobody buys the whole 'scary harper' routine any more. It's not credible. It's pretty obvious that harper isn't mean or vindictive or anything like ...
• True. The CPC seems to have become the 'neo-liberals' so to speak. Harper has moved the party mostly to the center. Dion moved his party to the left, away ...
• First off ap, you need to remember there's a plus OR minus 3 point margin of error in the polls. Even if voters remained rock solid, the numbers would jump a...
• Exactly. I pretty much had the whole 'murder is bad' thing figured out long before i was a teen. Judges will still have a choice in sentancing, but i'm sor...
• Well first off as a new poster you clearly cannot possibly know anything, and should confine your questions to such things as "what does 1 + 1 equal"? If yo...
• Well no - no they don't :) if the polls are to be believed anyway. dion's only attacking these days - he's completely given up on pushing his platform and ...
• Another article today pointing out liberals are already talking about who the new leader should be. That can't be inspiring dion. he's in the weeds big tim...
• The way it works now is a lot of kids lose their fear of the so-called 'justice system' early on when they realize there are no serious penalties for what th...
• ROFL - his attack ads prove it? PLEASE!!!!!! - Dion has been hardcore badmouthing harper FAR more than harper has been badmouthing him! And layton's no bett...
• I should imagine you're used to it quite a bit, if you get out at all. The only one in denial is you. Lets take a look. 1 - YOU seem to believe that the ...
• LOL - it's very liberal of you to insult me and then complain that someone insulted dion. heh :) I guess THAT says it all about you, and your hypocracy Get ...
• Harper will do what the members of the party want him to do. If there is a push for it, then it will be considered. That's one way the cpc is different from ...
• Leader isn't the same as dictator. A good leader listens, sets a plan, then executes it. As dion's finding out - dion doesn't listen to anyone and then sets...
• Surprisingly, a large number of firearms owners are open to the idea of legalizing personal amounts - the arguments are very similar to why people should be ...
• Well his people have complained in public several times now that he doesn't listen and is driving the show on his own. i figure they'd likely know. :) And t...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 37, LP 26, NDP 21, BQ 9, GP 7 (ending September 23) (2008-09-24)

• Definately a spike for bloc support in quebec. A mistake on harper's part to blow off the funding cuts like that. He's right of course - they DID increase fu...
• That's possible - i think it will generally affect them in quebec a little for a day or two but if they start hammering on the good they can do for quebec, ...
• lol - are you hoping for one or hoping to scare liberal/ndp voters with the threat of one? :)
• Interesting dion's leadership scores fell again last night. Sooner or later that's going to translate into very bad news for dion - he SHOULD have had a bum...
• Arguably true. It would be even more arguable if they were within 3 points, but yes, you're correct. I suspect tho that right now there is a gap between th...
• I agree with you pretty much verbatim. I was just noting the ekos numbers this morning. Ekos has a very very large sample, about 3 times most of the others...
• LOL - i love the idea that the carbon tax should have been more popular because nobody believes the libs will keep their word and impliment it :) heh! The ...
• Oh i didn't mean to suggest that the greens would get the lion's share of the vote - far from it. Just that the libs would bleed to both parties. I don't thi...
• Vancouver is going pretty blue this time out actually HC. He stands to win in north van, west van, quadra and a few other ridings. And greater vancouver ha...
• It's close. It's about 140 - 145 right now for the CPC based on various projections, and that's only 10 seats short. He's awfully close in a lot of those oth...
• Christine - the regional numbers for bc that are bc specific for ALL polls show that it isn't even remotely competative here. The libs are completely tanking...
• Not 'common' - not new either. That's what allows them to collect such a large sample. Like most polling methods, it's been debated as to if it's better ...
• the numbers don't say 'majority' at this time - but they're damn close. Harper would only have to go up a hair on voting day to win a majority, and if the li...
• Well looking at todays polls the libs are much lower in bc, and that is the truth. And because bc has a much larger percent of the population it weighs heavi...
• Dion's vote distribution is not terribly efficient either tho - it's highly concentrated. ANd the ndp seems to be getting fairly well distributed gains, whic...
• Do you think the pecker-stretching will stop at this point? I kind of doubt it. Minorities are good to a point, but at some point you need a majority to ac...
• Hard to say - the greens and ndp could very well play the same roll the reform and the bloc did in chretien's day. But i'm not seeing a majority numbers wi...
• I think hedy's day is done. I have no idea who's going to win it tho :) It's going to be a nail biter i think.
• I think he could have made the same move without being quite so inflammatory. I think he misstepped there, but we'll see. It's a long way from over and there...
• Well the problem with that is that while it will win them a few seats in those highly concentrated areas, they won't win anywhere near what they need. Cons...
• I think they did change the algorithms since then, but no matter what it still can't account for regional issues unless you do it manually riding by riding. ...
• Anything can happen, but it's getting very late in the campaign for a 'turn around'. Dion has one chance - the debates. He would have to do VERY well and c...
• Yeah, that's about my count. they MAY take one in manitoba. And vancenter is really up in the air for them. So - 5 max, 2 min - that's pretty ugly.
• yeah - he's got little to lose but he's gotta do better than 'break even' if he's going to stop the slide. He's got to look fantastic and i don't think he's ...
• Well - first off canada isn't actually holding any prisoners. So that's out right off the bat. Second, nobody is talking about killing the kid (who isn't a...
• England has a higher violent crime rate than america does at the moment. And america's crime rate fell like crazy over most of the last 20 years or so. S...
• And the facts provided are pretty thin. In fact nonexistant. For example - suggesting it's harper's crime that another nation is holding a criminal for trial...
• I think you guys are mixing and matching stuff. First off - with publication bans the issue is 'onus' . You can't put the onus on the kid to prove it SHOUL...
• I love how if we do ANYTHING that's even REMOTELY like america, somehow this has become a despicable crime. Actually - the American model worked. Crime has...
• Go back and check the violent crime rate . And check if it's rising or falling. Murder is hardly the only violent crime my friend. Here's an article - a ...
• woops - hit the button there by accident :) And lets be realistic - the number of crimes committed by criminals on parole or on bail is huge. Huge. And whil...
• Yeah. You've commented on it rsharp, but you're still wrong no matter how often you do. Sorry. We didn't lift a finger for our boys captured by the Vietnam...
• And as to canada: Tuesday, Jan. 24, 2006 2:59 p.m. EST Canada's Crime Rate 50 % Higher than U.S. Press reports that Canada is a Shangri-la – an America w...
• Well - it goes one of two ways. Either they are deterred, or they cannot be rehabilitated and are not deterred and are bound in determined to kill or commit...
• Yes - you can't compare the reported violent crime rate from statcan directly with the fed numbers from the states. We calculate them differently. BUT - t...
• Some people respond to it. Sometimes people do something they wouldn't normally do, and if they get spanked they never do it again. Others are 'carreer' ty...
• No - it makes him a murderer if he wasn't under uniform. Which is of course the questions - did he do the killing and was he or was he not a lawful combatant...
• A crime is a crime, and the americans are within their rights to lay those charges regardless of what you might think of their policy in general. Heck - if...
• LOL - really. I've seen a fair number of surveys that say most canadians are happy to leave him where he is :) Fact is you're in the minority, not me. And...
• BTW - just looked up the latest angus reid polls on the subject - only 37 percent of people think he should be repatriated.
• You mean a 15 year old who murdered an unarmed medic illegally? Hmmm - not THAT much of a problem :) Hey - don't go to war if you don't want to pay the pric...
• The kid was defending ... well he claims he wasn't, but lets let that slide for right at this second.. A civillian can't 'defend' anything. In a war, combat...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 38, LP 27, NDP 21, BQ 8, GP 6 (ending September 22) (2008-09-23)

• I hate to say I told you so but.... heh :) I guess the rogue numbers just fell off the books, and as i predicted we're back up to 38 percent. Also as i ...
• Heh - well they got typos on it screwing up the figures. That can't inspire confidence. Plus the thing is hard as hell to read. I doubt anyone but a handfu...
• My guess is that's where they always were, and the 'dip' in cpc support simply showed them higher as a result. When you get a bit of a wonky result it can af...
• Or my math was off on which day was the 'rouge' day, and it was actually friday night instead. :)
• Well nik did an interview discussing why his results are different and why the libs poll higher. Short version - he does not list off the parties when aski...
• The liberal/ndp race is going to be a facinating one to watch. Safe bet that both parties will consider asking people to vote 'to stop harper', but you're r...
• I may have screwed up the day on which the rogue numbers happend, but it's pretty unlikely that the cpc jumped. 7 or 8 points in a single nights sample. We...
• I don't think anyone's going to read the platform much - i think the 'media attention' was the big 'booster' if there was going to be one - people skimming o...
• not in one day, not for a rolling poll. Unless people went ballistic and voted about 42 percent in favour of the CPC. But obviously the budget annoucement ...
• I wonder too. They will be 'prompted' by the polling cards. But - who knows, maybe nik is right and maybe he's not, we'll see. I DO have to wonder if the l...
• Seat projections - cpc 145 lib 75 ndp 45 and bloc 45 This poll puts the CPC just shy of a majority, but with the libs that's as good as. If the libs go dow...
• Hard to say - he may just squeeze voters to the ndp instead of rallying them to the libs. The ndp will trot out the fact that the Libs gave the CPC an 'eff...
• hehehehe :) Liberal supporter I take it :) Offhand i'd say none. Based on all the information that nik and other pollsters have provided (most of which agr...
• Well pollsters have been telling us for some time that the 'core' liberal support is melting away and voters are less 'loyal' to the major brands. I think ...
• The numbers aren't supporting that yet - but if the libs continue to slide as they have...
• Well i don't know if it's attractive to ontarians or maritimers lex (maybe, i don't know) - but it's HUGELY attractive to quebec and the west. Interesting ...
• Well lex - i've given that some thought and I think Layton played it right in the end. He had to convince people he WAS 'prime ministerial' and that he was...
• Well you may be right and the numbers right now support your position, But if the lib votes collapse, they won't just bleed to the ndp, they'll bleed to th...
• I have a funny feeling harper's still got something up his sleeve. We may see it over the next week, leading up to the debates. I think layton is going to ...
• Well that leaves the obvious question then - where will the green support go? Or will it stay as a protest vote?
• I figured you meant minority :) Wasn't going to nit pick it :) I can't say if we'll get a majority or not. But we're close, and i don't think its fear holdi...
• Well i don't think dion's missed many chances to demonstrate the libs are out of cash :) Air inuit?
• "How much of the undecided eventually decide? How many of them just stay home? " Well - it depends. Sometimes people are undecided because there are two pl...
• That would be pretty amazing. He might, but my numbers suggest he'll have to go up a point or two to beat 40 yet. Still - 3 weeks left: )
• Well - it is an old axiom that people make decisions only three times in a campaign - first day or two, the debates, and the last 48 hours before the electio...
• Interesting nanos poll result - Canadians trust harper to deliver on promises more. http://www.nanosresearch.com/library/polls/POLNAT-SU08-T329E.pdf Quest...
• Well - i don't know about 'certain victory'. The libs were in severe trouble over corruption (yes, it goes that far back :) ) and their massive 200 patronag...
• Remember all those times dion said he was 'ready for an election'? Here's how that conversation went: "Well we're broke and disorganized. Now, more than eve...
• Wait a minute - am I having deja vu, or did we do this conversation already? :) http://nikonthenumbers.com/topics/show/89/12258#comment_12290 Heh - so wha...
• Election shifts tend to go in 'spurts' - usually centered around the first week, around the debates, and the last 48 hours or so. In between movement tends t...
• "but it was like listening to my tax accountant." Yes, Charles Adler (very famous and respected radio personality who's known for generally being politicall...
• I don't think the 'scare' tactic will work well now anyway. People have seen harper, and whether they like him or not i think they believe that what you see ...
• Hard to say traditionally, but what i was looking at was the stark difference between the Cpc and the libs. which is why the lib message may not be selling.
• They didn't flip that suddenly - the cpc got momentum and started to climb. But it did take time. And i think momentum is self-perpetuating. Once people se...
• There's no doubt the debate completely collapsed his support. I just don't think he was that far ahead going into them.
• Ummm - the cpc numbers have been pretty darn stable actually. They're not fluctuating much at all - usually within the margin of error of the polls. Certanly...
• heh :) ahh the langley advance, the last great bastion of political wisdom :) (actually it's a great little paper ) There's no doubt they were polling slig...
• Dude - dion was just on tv making snide joking remarks about how layton has 'coallitions' with druggies and pedophiles, so he's got lots of experience with '...
• All emotion? Look around you man. YOU, not me, are the odd man out. Everyone else debates with facts and respects people's opinion - me, other 'left wingers...
• Anything strikes you as mean and vile - unless it's you or dion being mean and vile in which case it's perfectly ok in your books. I'm not upset - i'm just...
• Awww - did you get your feelings hurt because the big bad non-liberal told the truth instead of rising to your bait? You're an embarrassment to your party.

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 35, LP 30, NDP 22, BQ 7, GP 6 (ending September 21) (2008-09-22)

• Holy Crap look at the NDP!! :) Wow - that would give the ndp about 50 seats! That's the second 2 point rise for them in a row! The libs are still more o...
• Good news there for the CPC. Obviously polling numbers were back up again last nite. To fall from 38 to 36 in one day, saturday's polling sample must have ...
• I really don't know if the 'pot issue' is going to hurt them - the left wing tends to support the legalization of marijuana. Even I, who don't smoke the stuf...
• ROFL - are you incapable of doing basic arithmatic? They polled 39 39 and 38. Then they polled 36. So - in order to fall that far on a three day average t...
• I'm not going to give them TOO much credit over a rise two days in a row - but if they rise or hold tomorrow and the next day i'm going to have to say they h...
• Ahh yes. Clever move. I'll explain exactly why. Layton's no dummy, i'll give him that. First off - you have to look very closely at what layton said. What ...
• He doesn't disclose individual numbers - but yes its that simple. Every night 400 people are called - and the three day total is added up to give today's "sc...
• No, if they were getting 31 for the last TWO days they'd be at about 33 percent. They must have gotten about 38 percent last night to be at 35 today (could b...
• Heh - well whether or not he would play second fiddle (and i'm not so sure he would) there's no doubt harper isn't going to risk it. Layton would get his w...
• There is no chance of dion winning. It's up in the air if he'll even form opposition.
• ROFLMAO :) - well here's a clue for you then, the party with momentum at the moment isn't the libs at all - it's the ndp :) The cpc appears to be pretty ste...
• The con's ups and downs are absolute - that's an absolute number independent of the other parties. The fact is that in order for them to post 35 today, they ...
• It would be getting to me if we were losing like dion is :) as it stands, it's just a simple truth. There is no chance of dion wining in any practical sense ...
• Well you sure were touting the 'battleground ridings' polls the other day when they favoured the libs - i notice you sure aren't now :) Nic's numbers say th...
• ROFL - the fact you have to try to goad me at all shows me how desperate you are :) The libs will do well at this rate to get 70 seats - i'm currently gues...
• Heh :) - well you be sure to read it several times election night as the results are coming in bud :) Of course - it's true it could be me that's embarrased...
• HA :) the libs are doing GREAT as far as i'm concerned - at this rate the NDP will over take them about 2 weeks before election day :) Dion's the best thin...
• If you don't feed yourself - you'll die of hunger won't you?
• How does that math work in a three day running average larryl? Sigh - oh well, i guess we'll just have to wait till wednesday to show you. It's so simple a...
• Actually i did - i pointed out at the time that it was just a blip within the margin of error, and shoulnd't be taken too seriously. Of course - seeing as ...
• So - using your math they would have had to poll 39+38+31 to get to 36. But - if that happened - how would it be possible to poll 38+36+32 = 35? If they p...
• Well that's about right kschell. The real 'easter egg' here for me is the ndp - what the hell is going on there? The numbers aren't as easy to read, they c...
• That may be harper's stratagy, but the question was what was layton doing suggesting a coalition may be possible when he's rejected the notion in the past? ...
• Are you kidding? With that big gas guzzling jet they rented you can see the vapour trails every time they go overhead. :)
• No, apperently not. :)
• Well if we look at nanos's numbers then the undecided is around 18 - 19 percent. I also find the idea of the libs being at 24 too low. I think aside from t...
• My guess on the NDP - they are currently at 24 percent for real. Ok - here's my math. Looking at the past polling and taking into account the running total...
• Well the M word has been in the newspaper since day one - we've seen numerous articles and news reports saying the cpc is in reach of a majority. Yet the ndp...
• Grade 4 kids also know how to spell 'grade' :) (hint - it's got more than one vowel). But hey - maybe i'm wrong. Tell you what - you explain the math to me...
• They would get 50 or close to it if these numbers were entirely accurate - but i think we all know they're not. Saturday's poll 'bliped' a bit. Based on wh...
• Well - he did just lose two guys over 'pot' issues :) but i don't think that'll hurt him all that bad. You pose an interesting question - where should the...
• Well the way the rolling poll works zab is that every night they call 400 people - but only the numbers from the last three days are counted. So i think you ...
• well not too severely if the SC's and others' numbers are to be believed. The cpc still seems poised on the edge of a majority. And if the ndp chews into a...
• So what you're saying is that if this works, he will have to raise taxes, thereby making it NOT revenue neutral. If he raises taxes to pay for the existing...
• If they do - they weaken their argument that we should do 'anything' to stop harper. They wind up looking petty and selfish. Right now the libs have about ...
• You also have to look at what's being polled to answer the 'why the spread' question. Some companies like nic are only reporting 'decided' voters. Others r...
• Yeah - well if the numbers look close that'll be one pretty big cat :) Either way - it could raise some interesting questions for dion.
• Jack the ripper is it. Heh - you know what's funny? The libs are the first ones to squeal about how 'distasteful' it is when people hurl insults and how 'cle...
• i though dion WAS his 'practice foe' :) he's sure not proving to be a REAL foe :)
• I realize the numbers for the greens in bc appear large, but i'm not convinced that will actually materialize at the polls. There's been a bit of a history o...
• 24 for the ndp i think - 18 + 18 + 24 = 20 (yesterday's score) and 18 + 24 + 24 = 22, today's score. The cpc had to have scored 31 two days ago, not 36,...
• Ooooo - so close. But not quite. The cpc were stable at 39 - 38 for several days, so we know their numbers must have been about 38-39-38 going into the we...
• Yeah,. We only know the nightly numbers for the ndp and cpc because they happen to be pretty flat for the 3 days leading up to that saturday. For numbers to ...
• 1 - well that's not quite accurate zab - lets look at some fake numbers for a second. Lets say party zed polls for three days at 40. Their score is, of cou...
• That would be a tax increase. Dion has promised there would not be tax increases. The total money collected remains the same - but the tax collected for wha...
• hmm. I think we're mixing up day time averages and nite time results here and it's leading to a communication issue. 36 was the number reported as the dayt...
• Ok - i'm going to try to make this as simple as possible. You are trying to extrapolate a trend based on samples that are themselves trends of three sample...
• If carbon emissions go down, carbon (or other) taxes will have to go up to compensate. Dion is promising to tax us 1 dollar on all the carbon used and retu...
• Yeah - the 'team' thing is hurting him. It's saying 'i'm not strong enough to stand on my own two feet." Not what he wants to portray right now.
• Zeb - see my other post regarding that. You're confusing 'rolling' samples with 'static' samples, and you can't do that. You can look at the nightly samp...
• "When the numbers keep going down for three days how can you possibly poll higher on the third day than on the secon" Oh my god this is SO AMAZINGLY SIMPLE!...
• Oh for gods sake - A TURTLE could get this. On a bad day! i know you're not as smart as me, but surely you're smarter than a turtle! In order to hit the 3...
• What makes you think two are wrong?
• I'm examining how the actuals were used to get the averages. I don't add the averages at all.
• Well that's my point. Heck - you were the one who pointed out that the cpc must have gotten 31 on that saturday's calls, and you were correct. If that's th...
• Well lets see that education in action larryl - post your numbers. I have a funny feeling this is going to turn out like your other suggestions and not rea...
• Not quite sure what thats got to do with the subject we were just discussing, but i think based on the numbers we're seeing here and elsewhere, it's not that...
• zab - look at your own numbers. First line - first three numbers do indeed equal the average for that day - 38. But moving one more day the average is stil...
• If dion gets 70 seats, the cpc will have a majority. Unless they almost all bleed to the ndp, which is pretty unlikely. It's hard to say how it will end, b...
• Still not adding up from what i can see, unless i'm not understanding how you've organized it.. For example on line 7 for the 16th 17th and 18th you have 3...
• heh - sounds good. Sometimes they need a poke or two to get 'em right.
• Well this is the problem. You see - in the end it's impossible for a tax to be 'revenue neutral' to the people, because a good deal of it gets sucked up into...
• Ahh - she isn't a candidate. And at least we dont elect them and then send them to collect brown envelopes of money in restaurants :)
• Wow! Can open... worms everywhere!... :) 1) - true. And of course that's been a hot topic over the years - should people be REQUIRED to vote if they're go...
• ROFL - sorry - did you say bill clinton dropped something on his pants, or that he just dropped his pants :)
• John Ivison: New Liberal platform is a pipedream $40-billion in carbon tax revenue, not likely John Ivison, National Post Published: Monday, September 22, ...
• Sounds more like Dion is the pimp hoping desperately for promotion. Same old same old - liberals make promises to break promises. They can't afford their p...
• From macleans: Michel Béliveau, a former LIBERAL PARTY official in Quebec, testified late last week. Most of the reporters covering Gomery have been waitin...
• I read it front to back - i also read the original 'green shift' proposal. (god - there's 2 hours of my life i'll never get back). The math is quite simple...
• Well the problem is he didn't write it that way bluestar. And most people won't even get back what's put in. He has a list of promises - and he has the new...
• But again - thats not how it's written. And - further, it isn't 'neutral' - it's also a 'wealth shift'. So - some people will benefit and a lot of people w...
• ROFL - yeah - well you sure proved what a 'logical' person you are, and how you as a liberal would never 'slur' people :) Liberal hypocracy at it's best :) ...
• Up to a point - if even one of those teachers had been trained and licensed to carry a defensive firearm, there'd probably be only one dead. In the states t...
• And another intelligent reply from the liberal side of the equasion :) This is why you guys are going to lose the election - no intelligent thought, just la...
• Well i think a lot of people on the left are agreeing with that sentiment. They'd rather go with layton despite his left wing approach than go with dion, who...
• Well it doesn't take a genious to figure out that dion's losing this fight, partly due to a lack of money but mostly due to horrible horrible planning and a ...
• Well actually elf, emissions have already gone down recently. And as to the green plan, as people have less money to spend they take less vacations, go out...
• It is estimated by the amount of energy canada produces and consumes. We know how much gas we're using, etc. Of course there is no target here - so it's no...
• Yeah - that's already being commented on- how does a 'tax break' represent an INCREASE in tax income for the gov't?
• It appears it contains a few errors - somehow they included the reduction in tax revenue as an INCREASE in tax revenue - which puts their books out by about ...
• Well that's the thing isn't it - DO they have the chance to get energy efficient? What about folks living in rural canada where there is no public transpor...
• We measure it with the amount of energy canada produces and consumes. We know how much electricity and gas we use of course. Mind you - we have no targets ...
• Well it 'assumes' no reduction in emissions. But - the fact is there's no actual comment at all as to what their 'target' is or their thinking. Theres' no go...
• Elf - the sentiment that the environment should be independent of the economy is laudable enough and you obviously have a good heart and good intentions. B...
• Historically - this is where candidates get desperate and do something stupid. Remember kimmy's little ad making fun of Chretien's face? I can't imagine what...
• Remember all those times dion said he was 'ready for an election'? Here's how that conversation went: "Well we're broke and disorganized. Now, more than eve...
• Yeah, rsharp, i think people in glass houses etc etc :) If you're going to go looking to pick a fight, you really don't have much right to be 'offended'. ...
• The green shift plan doesn't address ANY of those concerns. And that would be the point your missing. Of course we'd be in a position to manage costs later...
• Bull. Under this tax system absolutely nothing would change except the economy would suffer. Over time we're going to reduce our dependancy on gas no mat...
• Elf - you seem to feel that somehow saving the environment requires being 'penalized'. That's not how the world works. It's about choices. If I have mon...
• I understand where you're coming from elf and as i said before, your intent is laudable. I'm not against doing things for the environment. I shop at the lo...
• Don't kid yourself user1 I notice people who have drunk dion's kool-aid tend to think anyone who doesn't get it must just be either too stupid to understand...
• User - i've read the plan. It's a terrible plan. I agree we need a good plan and we need one sooner rather than later - but the fact is this is a bad plan.
• well unfortunately the 'insulting the intelligence' issue is a problem on both sides of the fence often enough :) I guess that just proves that under it all...
• Elf - we had a mess in the FIRST place because of a LIBERAL gov't under trudeau!! And the Liberals 'cleaned up the mess' by doing what mulroney started - g...
• That's not one of those things thats entirely a matter of opinion elf. It's like arguing the sun won't rise in the east tomorrow - history says it will. A ...
• Actually i'm more of a CPC supporter - i just respect jack even tho i disagree with some of his politics and I do think he'd make better opposition than DIon...
• Well we don't know where we're going. Where are we going with the green tax? How much will it reduce carbon? What impact WILL it have on the economy in g...
• Well we saw it before - turner, campbell, it has happened in recent history. For it to happen tho the liberal supporters need somewhere to 'bleed' to as a ...
• Yeah - but it did take 12 years :) I think the left is going to be split for a while. Dion's trying to say they're the 'center' party, but nobody's buying i...
• A very real possibility, but worse for dion is that he's lost his chance at gaining momentum. He desperately needed that to pull any soft liberals to him. ...
• Well obviously. The problem is dion took a relatively simple idea and made it insanely complex. This should have been simple - like reductions in payroll...
• LOL - i'm going with land mines for the squirrels this year. Plus, sharks with frikkin lasers on their heads for any kids that pee in the pool.
• The last thing i need to see is Lizzie May 'uninhibited' :)
• Well i assumed she'd be providing the bud. It IS the 'green party' after all :)
• Fine - i'm hiring a cute fuzzy raccoon to beat the snot out of the squirrels by engineering a highly implausible and needlessly complex trap that only works ...
• Well it may not be in English either if it's a trade agreement with china or something, but to me the bigger problem was he didn't seem to be able to get his...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 36, LP 31, NDP 20, BQ 7, GP 7 (ending September 20) (2008-09-21)

• Possibly - it could be a 'rogue' day, or just a dip over the last two days that became more pronounced. The libs dropped 2 in one day. If the trend holds for...
• Hey rsharp, You said: " I used be good at math. Doesn't (39 + 38 + X)/3 = 36 means X equals 31? I can't believe Harper has fallen so low. Nik???" It can h...
• Not much of a reason to step down - a lot of tories and more than a few other parties support that thinking. Like the saying goes, when seconds count police ...
• Yeah - i can relate. I was rooting for the right all thru the latter half of the 90's :) Hey - preston just wasn't the right choice. And dion wasn't either....
• Got caught? Got caught how? Got caught suggesting that people should have the right to be responsible for their own safety? Gee - what a jerk :) Do you sup...
• Actually - what it's looking like by this particular poll is that some cpc supporters went back into the undecided pool. Or - that in the calling areas that ...
• Criminals who want guns already have guns. But the fact is that criminals aren't looking for a fight, they're looking for victims. If someone has the ability...
• There you go - you're a nut case and because i have guns you leave me alone :) see? it works!!! :) :) You still haven't explained why a woman should be all...
• It's for the best - he can't shoot straight here so i doubt he'd be very safe with a gun :)
• Two of the vancouver candidates have been gay as well - but that never gets mentioned. We wouldn't want to upset those stereotypes. the fact is, there's ov...
• Actually tpq - their MURDER rate is higher, but their violent crime rate is lower in the us. Look it up. (and i suspect the death rate has more to do with th...
• Read some of the stats about violence against women - a lot of women are attacked in canada every year. And one just has to read the papers to see examples e...
• Well that's the millon dollar question in this race - how close can the NDP come to forming opposition? My calculations show that it's going to be tough fo...
• Of course you don't believe the stats - being a liberal the truth holds no interest to you. It's easy to look up tho. The stats are published. Btw - i see ...
• It has always been a possibility, but its too soon to say. The libs are publically calling this the 'worst liberal campaign ever'. Obviously that doesn't h...
• Heh - TPQ - if your argument is that having a 'pot past' will hurt layton in BC - BC of ALL places - then you are truly delusional :) If anything it will he...
• That is insane - they got off to a slow start because they didn't have a plane. They CONTINUED to have a slow start because the Green Shift (which you've bee...
• Well - sorry to dissapoint gordo, but it looks like it was just a rogue day. That happens. The cpc has been polling about 39-38 steady. Then it dropped to ...
• Gordo - i'm sure you took arithmatic in school. Lets do some simple math. The cpc has averaged 39 - 38 for several days now. To do that - without going up ...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 38, LP 29, NDP 18, BQ 7, GP 7 (ending September 19) (2008-09-20)

• Hope - we have already seen the effects of carbon taxes here in bc. Which is why bc is currently polling about 45 percent for the cpc, and about 20 for the l...
• Well - anything can happen and that's the truth. But - we can compare this to previous elections and known trends amongst voters. I'll remind you that when...
• I'm thinking there's a pretty good chance voters will floc TO the ndp to 'stop harper'. Lets face it - dion didn't exactly do anything to 'stop harper' whe...
• Will The liberals collapse completely? Are the NDP going to emerge as the oppositon? This is the question political pundits are starting to kick around. W...
• I have to admit - i did not see that coming :) You generally don't hear about ndp candidates that have to 'withdrawl in shame' - and for heaven's sake, what ...
• What are you talking about? They're VERY badly behind in bc, behind in quebec, and doing worse all the time in ontario. And at this rate i'll be the ndp th...
• True, but that won't make any difference in this election. The libs are pretty screwed for the next election no matter what tho.
• Well that's within the margin's for nic's numbers as well. It seems like a lot of polls are firming up now and obviously the libs are in the high 20's, the c...
• Well i appreciate the respect, and of course you're welcome to yours as well, but i can't see how the article you posted in any way addresses those concerns....
• But they're still better than liberal times :) Which are financially devistating and corrupt. Or did you forget the 'mess' chretien is so proud of cleaning u...
• The difference in a cap and trade system is that there is no tax whatsoever - until you hit a point. At that point, you pay extra for the extra if you see wh...
• Sadly you're right MRM. The carbon tax in bc has been a complete flop and it's a hardship that is making it difficult for people and business to adapt. And...
• That is, of course, utter nonsense. We could easily destroy the environment and the economy would soar. Likewise, we could keep the environment pristine and ...
• Hope you had a good sleep :) Marc says he 'doubts' it will inflict 'significant' pain. And lets face it - his stuff was written before we saw the depths of ...
• If they are destined to rise, then there is really no value in a carbon tax - there will already be an ever-increasing price on carbon. People will adapt to ...
• Whereas the liberals, who allowed carbon emissions to INCREASE 20 percent after signing kyoto, really do care? Yeah, right. Emissions are down under the cp...
• well 214 seats is definitely more than my best predictions are showing :) but hey, anythings possible. For that to happen tho the libs, ndp and green would...
• My seat projections based on nik's even more 'conservative' numbers shows we're right on the very edge of a majority, possibly over. The G&M's numbers would ...
• Well - they say the clothes make the man and there's more truth to that than one might think. What we wear becomes more than just a symbol to others - it's...
• Well elf, i won't entirely disagree with you - there was an amusing tounge-in-cheek article a ways back showing all of dion's options and how each and every ...
• He's still sliding bud. That's something like 4 days in a row now. I don't think we can blame it on the time difference :) I'm perfectly aware of why harpe...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 39, LP 28, NDP 18, BQ 7, GP 7 (ending September 18) (2008-09-19)

• They sure as heck ain't gonna win with 28 percent. NDP is up again i note. The ndp is closer to the libs than the libs are to the CPC.
• The undecided vote is down. I think people are beginning to decide and make up their minds slowly, and it's not dion. Seat projections using algorithm base...
• I KNOW - holy crap - dion is now trying to claim it was never a plank in his platform ... is the guy on drugs?
• No, if they take the ridings they're targeting in quebec they'll win a majority just on that. But of course there's no guarantee they will, and a few more se...
• Probably. Probably a positive for layton too. All layton has to do is point out that dion gave harper a majority when he had a minority by not showing up to ...
• A 15 billion dollar tax isn't a 'major part' of his campaign? He spent ALL SUMMER selling it around canada, but it's not a major part of his campaign? How ca...
• Seat Projections for today. I've decided to try some software that is designed to project likely seat outcomes based on polling numbers. It's an improved...
• See my seat projections below. They are not guaranteed a majority. THey are right on the edge of one, but not guaranteed at all. Fortunately a strong min...
• Well the liberal drop actually puts them below the line in a lot of ridings that are otherwise pretty close. The vote is a little split right now - remember,...
• The green tax is a very difficult platform to run on. And despite dion trying to back away from it today, he's stuck with it now.
• Elf - he came right out and denied it was a major part of his platform. He claimed that the reporters were the ones who said it was - "You said that, never m...
• But not a main plank. That's pretty clear. Lets put that in perspective. He spent 2.5 months and god knows how much of the money they don't have right now ...
• Elf - Dion spend months - MONTHS - before the election travelling the country selling the idea. He created an entire web page for it and risked a lawsuit to ...
• Elf - DION'S OWN PEOPLE COMPLAIN THEY DON"T GET IT. They can't explain it, they contradict themselves talking about it, it makes no sense. WHat's not to u...
• If you think people will blame layton for the fact that the liberals lost an election you are dreaming. Martin lost because the liberal party was a bunch o...
• Hah! - you wouldn't say it was the fact that dion ran and hid under the table from harper 43 times rather than show up and vote? :) Dion created the image...
• Elf - bullying? Dion's people called harper a "pig in a sweater". But you don't see him crying about it. Dion called alberta a 'cash cow' but you don't see ...
• Well - his numbers are down again today - sorry elf, dion just isn't popular and never will be. The leadership debates will be very tough for dion - just w...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 39, LP 30, NDP 18, BQ 7, GP 6 (ending September 17) (2008-09-18)

• I didn't believe harris decima when they had the cpc higher, i'm not likely to believe them when they've got 'em lower :) But all this activity IS within th...
• On some of those 'other' polls i'm seeing the libs down to 27. I really think very little has changed - a stronger CPC minority at this point, with the lib...
• Yeah, i don't think the 'scary harper' routine is holding much water these days.
• Well interestingly that has been deteriorating for the libs. I note an article today discussing how immigrants who came into canada under the libs and who al...
• It's not just about the CPC cracking 40 - it's the split between the ndp greens and libs too. Harper can get a majority with 38 easily if the other parties w...
• I don't think much has changed. I think cpc support is and has been hovering in around the 38-40 percent and like i've said we won't see much of a major shif...
• Conservatives outgun Bloc in Quebec poll - National Post OTTAWA — The Bloc Quebecois is struggling ahead of an Oct. 14 federal election and the party is now...
• Well if 70 percent don't understand the green shift- that explains why some people are still voting for dion :) I notice dion hasn't gone out of his way si...
• Y'know - i'll have to say he should have applogized for the puffin, and DEFINATELY for the listeria comments. But i don't know about the 'aboriginal' one. A...
• For the puffin - definitely a lack of respect. For the 'let it be brain tobin' - definitely a lack of diplomacy. for the native thing? I don't know - how d...
• Which - the native comment? I doubt it. I think most people are sick of that kind of nonsense. It's not like the person said "you natives are all drunks" or ...
• I don't know that 'we' are. (here perhaps, but it is a polling site after all ) :) but i do wonder if perhaps our media is. the coverage of this election h...
• Well - i'm not sure what you mean by 'compare'? Do you mean what was going on at this time in the last election poll-wise? The last campaign was of course ...
• Hmm - well to be honest you come across as more 'brainwashed' than genuinely concerned in your comments, but just in case that's not accurate, how specifical...
• LOL - and once again you show the liberal mentality - when confronted by facts or common sense, throw insults!
• ROFL - Harper's the real deal. He doesn't need rae to step up and do his job for him! :)
• You are religious - what else do you call the irrational belief in something you worship with absolutely no proof whatsoever :) That's about the only way you...
• At least he shows up for work in parliament - dion skipped out on votes 43 times :) Dion can't even stand up for his own beliefs.
• Hey - if you had to fly in THAT plane you'd drink too!
• Well you can work that out yourself millcroft - if you look at the report on the poll from nanos's site you can see the number of calls to alberta and it's r...
• The only correlation is that on average the people who have the most percent of the votes will tend to get a correspondingly high number of seats. There's no...
• Btw - calculating Seat Gains using H & K Election Predictor (which uses a basic algorithm) and nik's numbers, we get : CPC 144 LIB 99 BQ 34 NDP 30 GRN 0...
• Hey peace - First off you may want to read this: http://www.parl.gc.ca/information/library/PRBpubs/bp371-e.htm Here's my take on your questions. 1 - pol...
• They are actually down again, and not looking like they will go to pre -writ. However - some ridings are so close that it's hard to say what the results wo...
• Harris decima almost always has the libs higher and the CPC lower than others. Its' not considered reliable, even amongst liberal experts.
• You always have to read how the poll is done to get a better answer. For example - many polls include the 'leaning' vote. In other words they ask "who will...
• As much as i dislike the libs MrEd - the fact is EI is not a fund. It's "Pay as you go". Similar to OAS - the fees you pay today go directly to pay the recip...
• Nik reported on that in yesterday's results - give it a read. It seems it drove dion's popularity way down. But had little effect on the actual numbers (of c...
• That's a very funny way of looking at leadership :) Rarely does a leader exercise complete control over his people, nor is that really what leadership is. ...
• Ah! - gotcha! Well - new answers then : 1 - What you are talking about has been discussed and researched at some length in the US and is known as the 'bandw...
• Ahh - i see. Yes, we do agree that simply having an 'iron fist' is not really leadership in the normal sense of the word. I would agree that obama is a goo...
• uhh - actually the traditional approach is to focus from day one on swing ridings and places you mean to make gains or ridings where your opponent intends to...
• It is definately going well so far. We'll see what happens after the leadership debates. Just like dion looked poor compared to rae (an actually accomplished...
• You know - i like harper over all, but i've never loved his debate presence. He makes good points, but you just don't get that passion from him. Layton's got...
• Yes, he does come across as prime ministerial, and that scores points. But martin was a better technical debater. Martin's problem is he was all attack and a...
• Yeah. If they collapse - it'll be a cpc majority.
• It wasn't 'fundimentally' that made me crack in the end - it was his constant 'let me be clear'. :) It's not what he said, it's how he said it. Like i said ...
• Quite a few - considering that after all of them he is still up in the polls and dion is down. Dion will not be able to deflect voters by hiding behind min...
• Didn't mean to take away your choices bud :) 1 - I don't recall saying you were a liberal in my post. 2 - I fear deficits and borrowing money today that o...
• I don't know if there were any bills that were put up without an opportunity to make any amendments or changes? As i recall, virtually all of them had gone...
• So you didn't like chretien or martin then? They did all that stuff.
• So what's the excuse for the previous 15 years that the liberals promised daycare every election and didn't deliver? ANd what's the excuse for the decade t...
• Of course it's a lie - dion has no intention of spending the money at all. He never did. He's going to do what every other liberal does, promise and then fai...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 38, LP 31, NDP 17, GP 7, BQ 7 (ending September 16) (2008-09-17)

• As I suggested - the parties have plateau'd for now. The little bumps we see are within the margin of error. The 'first round' is over, and the fight is on...
• Dion running behind the party will affect the long term success in the election, rather than the short term. The more it goes down, the more people will re...
• All the movement regionally is within the margin of error. The cpc is up in quebec, but again - within the margin of error. Remember that the margins for e...
• Interesting ekos analysis as to who's bleeding to where: http://www.ekoselection.com/index.php/2008/09/retention-rates-%E2%80%93-a-deeper-analysis/ Again -...
• Ahh - your usual intelligent response :) This is why the libs are losing this election - all name calling and no thought. Do you REALLY think that people ...
• Actually - a number of pollsters are saying that and some are putting them lower. Polling results analysis has put them at as few as 63 seats actually within...
• Actually- they still put the Libearls behind the Conservatives - The survey suggests the race continues to narrow in Ontario, with the Conservatives at 39 ...
• I am confused bernie - are you saying that who runs the country doesn't matter? If you are - why do you care who wins at all? Leadership is a very importan...
• Oh - i don't think that's necessary - i'm sure dion has his own and won't need to borrow one from me :) Assuming he hasn't used them all up watching the res...
• Wrong again? - here's the link - Main story about the polls - http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/RTGAM.20080917.welexnCPpoll0917/BNStory/politi...
• ROFLMAO - ok, where on the G & M site is this 'hot ridings' analysis you mentioned? I posted my links - you wouldn't be 'fibbing' again would you? I see one...
• Oh - and btw - Nik is one of those 'stupid pollsters' the G & M is quoting - i didn't realize you thought Nik was stupid.
• I suspect that unless you work at the suicide prevention hotline you probably won't hear much from him after the election. But - we have to be honest here ...
• Funny - the american democrats are saying they're coming north if mccain wins. I guess if it comes to it we could set you guys up with a little colony righ...
• Oh he's secretive and controlling - but i don't think i'd call dion a 'freak' :) Bit of a fibber maybe - he had a lot of trouble today when asked if he'd t...
• Anything that goes down that fast can come up that fast, and that's the truth. But as they say - insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different res...
• Well the UK is definately a nice place - and definately a lot more left leaning these days. I hear they banned almost all guns. Of course - gun crime is stil...
• I don't know about the greens. Maybe - in some ridings perhaps. The green vote tends to evaporate just a little on election day, i think it's a protest vote ...
• I was a little surprised myself. That seemed like an easy one to field. I think he's still costing out some of his programs. Fact is - once in a blue moon ...
• Apperently some of his party is very upset about how he's controlling this election - but in fairness i don't think he had a plan ready to go and when you're...
• Oh absolutely. As i said - small and temporary is one thing. And without a doubt gov'ts have had a bad habit of sticking with it. Mcguinty as was mentioned...
• Hahaha - you were downplaying that polling series just a few days ago and now you're excited as hell :) Yeap - the cpc are down (which means tied or doing b...
• Except that dion admitted he may run a deficit if elected :) hehehehe
• Actually - he was quite clear earlier that he might. So - why exactly did it take him four times to 'get it right'?
• In other words, he knows there's a darn good chance he'll run a deficit and he's going to try to cover his ass in the hopes he can blame it on someone else ...
• He's still ahead of them as far as I can see and it's a long campaign yet :) Yesterday and the day before all the other leaders were in quebec bashing him...
• Actually - i said 70 seats at this point. i mentioned another poll which is predicting 63 which i felt was low. Still looking that way. I also said if the l...
• Geez elf - that's a hell of a thing to say on THIS site :)
• Are we back to simply trying to make your case with insults TPQ? :) heh - the libs must be even more scared than I thought :)
• If it's a minority for harper the libs are in trouble. They had to borrow money to fight this election, they won't have any money to fight the next one. Ha...
• ROFL - hooo kaayy :) Actually - traditionally the party that 'surges' first tends to lose steam and the second party tends to make a comback. Enjoy your ...
• I remember it took dion being asked 5 times before he said that, and that the AG does an audit every year already. So dion knows he may run a deficit and he...
• You mean he should have sent the money in brown envelopes in a restaurant, like a liberal?
• ROFL - only a liberal thinks hurling insults is 'enlightened'. Unless someone says something about him - then it's just terrible :D The libs are polling an...
• ROFL - so ... it's slander to say the truth about the liberal party - which was proven in court to have accepted illegal funds from 'brown envelopes' - but i...
• You don't? Funny - you seemed like the kind of guy who plays with himself to me so I was sure you did :) The libs are going to lose the election - and dion...
• Won't really matter when it is - the libs were not making enough money before this election to pay their bills, they had to borrow 2 million dollars. Now - t...
• May's not a heavy hitter at all - she's out there right now appologizing for never having smoked pot. :) If anything - she'll distract the left wing argu...
• No we won't what?
• Dion promises $70B infrastructure spending - CBC. Wow - 70 billion dollars in new spending - on top of the billions he's already promised. No WONDER he's n...
• Ahh - well that can happen :) Glad you got it sorted.

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 38, LP 31, NDP 17, GP 8, BQ 6 (ending September 15) (2008-09-16)

• As a rule - candidates don't peak so much as plateau. There is usually two or three rounds of 'movement' over the course of a campaign, with brief periods of...
• What's interesting about it is that while they get the same numbers for the CPC, the lib and ndp votes are far more volitile and close to each other. The d...
• Well the poll would suggest the libs bled to the ndp and green, both of whom are higher. But like i said - the 'merits' of some of the new tech being teste...
• Yes, that is also possible. It's also possible that the dialers are operating at different times - for example perhaps the system is designed to catch people...
• And dion promised to do something about kyoto. He had years - he did nothing. And he has flip flopped on numerous issues. And he voted FOR the income tru...
• I'd hardly say that going from 32 cpc and 35 lib to 38 cpc and 30 lib in one week is "no sudden moves'. In fact it's pretty sudden indeed. Most of the ot...
• uuuuhhhh ... you DO realize this is a report discussing how to harmonize provincal and federal sales tax? And page 5 is only critical of provincial sales t...
• Wow. That's what you get from that. HOoooo Kayyyy. First off - if you tell people to focus on a specific page - your point should be on that page. Second...
• You are on glue. There is no mention of anything like that on page 5. Here is the text from page five - pls point it out. I sure as hell can't see it. in...
• Forte says "I just don't think Dion is being completly open when he talks about it being tax nuetral" I think the problem is he doesn't have the answers to...
• ROFL - ahhh yes, the old 'harper is a bush clone' argument. Yawn. That's so 2004. What we can say for sure is we're doing better than the US, by miles. N...
• Oh - and here's what lorne gunther has to say: If Mr. Dion’s primary goal was the reformation of Canadians’ carbon-consumption habits, he would impose his f...
• Well first off i didn't write it. And second off - i did provide the sources to both articles. I can give you links to them if you like, but their in their...
• Oh - and i hear his plane broke down today. :) Which is just more proof he can't get his campaign off the ground :)
• Yeah - that's dion's fault :) The other parties keep a plane in reserve. And they don't rent 30 year old cargo haulers from air inuit. But it's the symbol...
• Sure. "Meanwhile, Liberals could not quite so easily dismiss Steven Pinkus, anglo vice-president of the party's Quebec wing. Last week, Pinkus went public...
• Oh? so - giving self employed women maternity leave is 'hateful'? You feel those women don't deserve it perhaps? Or giving young people a break on buying th...
• actually rae had a lower opinion rating leaving office than harris did. rae actually is one of the most hated politicians of ontario's history. And while i...
• So - you wouldn't say that the fact that all 3 opposition leaders told harper there was 'no common ground at all' for this session, coupled with the fact tha...
• they exist in droves :) That's the funny thing :) I could post for hours - You've had ministers, you've had party insiders and staff, how about this litt...
• Heh - it's not the prime minister's job to run female candidates - it IS his job to look out for canadian women! And that would be a classic example of dion...
• Of course it did! First off - it was proof that dion didn't intend to work in the new parliament (not that he showed up for work in the last one). But most...
• Gretag - there might be some validity to your points if we were discussing this in 1995. Gas was cheap, world economic growth was strong, and canada was in a...
• I don't think you understand what the word 'innuendo' means. I'd look that one up before using it any more. I think you just picked it because it sounds 'nas...
• Why do we have to pay bernie? Seriously - we might need to change our ways (tho what good it will do is highly questionable, canada just isn't that big a p...
• I have posted from mp's, party insiders, etc etc. You can pretend to ignore it but the fact is it's there in their own words. And i love how you're trying ...
• And we see more about the liberal infighting today in the paper - from the globe and mail. The globe (definately left wing media) is calling desperately for ...
• AHHH - i see, so Harper is no longer a 'bush' clone - he's a 'palin' clone :) :) That is truly desperate and mildly despicable. Dion called alberta a 'cas...
• Already been answered rsharp. Marzolini is frustrated that Dion has done such a poor job of explaining the plan. John Efford was publically critical of the p...
• Well I can't blame you - it's pretty hard to argue against the truth and i'd leave if i were in your shoes too. As to 'despicable' - well we won't get into...
• ROFL - i've presented nothing BUT facts. :) I understand why you feel the need to put your fingers back in your ears and not speak to anyone who doesn't al...
• Oh the tories understand it just fine - he wants to tax us, then spend it. That's what tax and spend means. Which is why he's going to lose this election.
• Greg - That may well be an overall goal of a 'carbon tax' - but the details are quite different between dion's plan and other places where it's been used. ...
• Dion hasn't agreed to any proportional representation and teh Liberals haven't exactly been a pillar on the 'rights' front either. Dion will destroy the li...
• The devil's in the details bernie, as always.
• Actually - i don't blog a lot, and where i do it's under this name. It's been a nickname for quite a while. I did used to mod a forum for quite some time and...
• LOL - oh i knew long before coming here that if liberals hear a truth they don't like, they just stop listening :)

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 37, LP 31, NDP 18, GP 9, BQ 6 (ending September 14) (2008-09-15)

• This thread has been up for a few hours only fortescue :) Was there something specific you'd like?
• Well - saying dion is 'surviving the body blows' is a little misleading. He dropped 5 points within the first week, while his opponents have all gained with ...
• Well that's more or less correct gretag. In attacking the NDP he's attacking the NDP as well as the libs, suggesting the libs are not worth the time anymore....
• Hmmm - who would be better to go with harper? Good question. That really depends on a lot of things. It would be fair to say that obama's platform most close...
• Obama wants' more troops there, that is true. But we'll still be there till 2011, and even obama can't fault us for having done our time and going home. We ...
• Spending. It's a typical tax and spend platform - he will buy up fishing licenses and such to deal with the death of the atlantic cod industry, he will spend...
• Heh :) Ok, Q: Mr Dion, While in parliament you failed to vote 43 times. When you did vote, you often voted FOR things which you now disagree with, such as...
• ROFL - Translation - Well peter - i didn't think it was best for the liberal party to go then, and I care more about the party than my morals. Afghanis...
• Sometimes he finds its easier to hurl insults than to have an intelligent argument.
• Yeah - and to take it further, the western provinces have all abandoned tax and spend and have cut income and business taxes to the bone. And lo and behold g...
• Actually - while i'm not sure it's fair to say harper 'foresaw the future', the gst cut has turned out to be a godsend. One of the things that's keeping ou...
• Heh :) Struck a nerve again did I TPQ? It's proof positive that you have no rebuttal or intelligent argument when all you can do is resort to insults. Per...
• True, although i think second quarter of 09 might be a hair optimistic :) The Americans will have to stop the bleeding before they can start to rebuild, and ...
• The nice thing about caps is that they don't impact activity below a certain point. And that point can be started relatively high and then lowered over time ...
• Heh. :) well bernie, if you think it's 'amatureish' then you're not a very sophisticated student of human nature, marketing, or politics. It's subtle, and...
• Well i sure won't shed any tears if you're right and i'm wrong, that's for sure. I'd love to see a recovery in 2009. A harper majority would help here at h...
• heh - or in this case FAIL to be represented by these people :)

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 38, LP 30, NDP 17, GP 9, BQ 6 (ending September 13) (2008-09-14)

• I think you're probably being a little 'optimistic' there. If you look at kim campbell and Chretien, you see the same sort of numbers. Kim had a fast dive ...
• I generally agree with all of that. I think the economy is definately in peoples minds - especially in ontario and quebec where the downturn has hit hardes...
• Elf - the CPC isn't stalled - it's reached a plateau. Which is bad news for the libs. If they'd stalled, we'd see a drop in the numbers after a few days whic...
• Too soon to say. The CPC is on the edge of a majority, but they're not over that edge yet. The ndp is gaining strength, and may very well challenge them in s...
• Very true, but we can see that it boils down to where the 'extra' points will land. Yes, alberta is very cpc. But then again, the liberal vote is highly co...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 38, LP 30, NDP 15, BQ 9, GP 8 (ending September 12) (2008-09-13)

• Larryl - to answer a question about dryden or any other possible leader, you'd have to speculate how he would have handled things different. If he had hand...
• Because larryl - it's up to the opposition to either support the gov't (decide the laws aren't bad enough to justify going to the polls) or to call the prime...
• Well there are some polls on specific ridings - and you can also do some calculations and look at what an increase in a specific riding would mean based on l...
• Wow. Liberal supporters sure are being a little bitter about this. Hey, the wrong guy was chosen. Dion would be as much of a disaster for canada as he has b...
• Well it's noteworthy that some leaders have already said 'vote for us to prevent a tory majority'. In short - they've conceded already the CPC is going to wi...
• There are several mathimatical models one could use - heck, one very easy way to do it yourself is make a spreadsheet, enter the vote count from last electio...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 38, LP 31, NDP 14, BQ 9, GP 9 (ending September 11) (2008-09-12)

• mtllu - there's about a 5 point margin of error in all those polls regionally (it varies) - regional break downs have much higher margins than the country as...
• naci - Maybe nik could correct me if i'm wrong, but it seems to me that they're just taking a sample - so lets say half the people in a low income bracket do...
• The CPC is up to a 7 point spread, and nik's numbers actually put them closer than anyone else's. Unless dion does something very quickly, he's going to fini...
• I have no doubt about that. Also remember tho, their REAL opportunity to have a voice comes in participating in their local riding associations and on voting...
• Yeah. I used to volunteer some of my time at DERA to work on their computer stuff once in a while, i know they had a great voice mail setup for their client...
• Yeah - but unless one is polling for a specific riding the number of people you're talking about is a drop in the bucket. And i mean no offense by that at al...
• It's simple. You're wrong. Most people think it IS harper. And it's not hard to see why. Hey - dion missed 43 votes in parliament ... if Dion won't vote fo...
• C'mon man - its one thing to slag parties you don't like, but it's not terribly fair to slag Nik. The questions are fair - you woulnd't be saying this if t...
• Good to hear psiclone. It's good to see when people set aside their 'traditional' voting habits and really take a solid look at what's best for the country a...

CPAC-Nanos Tracking CP 37, LP 32, NDP 13, BQ 9, GP 9 (ending September 10) (2008-09-11)

• The electorate has tuned in, and that's quite clear from the numbers shift, especially from the ndp side in several key ridings. The numbers changes are pret...
• Possible mathilda. But if dion's most recent numbers don't pick up, we may see a flood to the ndp to 'stop harper'. They're doing a lot better in polls taken...
• Actually tdot - the libs are polling far far worse and the CPC far far better than they were at this time in the last campaign using nik's numbers. You can f...
• There's still a surplus mathilda. We're in surplus right now and we'll finish the year with a decent sized one. The libs aren't saying we're in deficit (we...
• Well we knew that. This election is shaping up to be about leadership and the economy for the most part, and layton and harper have come out much stronger th...
• Good points tom, as usual.
• "Lest people forget Dion had 44 opportunities to speak and actually vote against the gov't but sat on his hands for one main reason ' he was adfraid to lose"...
• oops - my mistake - his PREVIOUS poll finished on the 27th, this one is on the 10th.
• Anything's possible larryl. But it's not likely. Nobody's going to vote for dion based on minor mistakes from harper. In fact, it's already being used agains...
• Actually - we've heard it from the libs too :) Chretien used it in his second election. Dion has no inner strength. But whether he does or doesn't it's irr...
• Well i think how he governs will be largely affected by how many seats they win actually. The more quebec ministers he has, the more metro ministers he has, ...
• It will be more entertaining than interesting :) It's more of a problem for layton than harper. But as to those leaning to the left going back - that will ...
• Well the problem for him is that the media has already painted that as 'trying to hide dion'. The thing is dion kind of made a bit of a mistake in how he sta...
• That's a pretty unfair question for a non bias pollster to ask larryl - it would have the effect of causing people to assume dion was going to lose already. ...
• How is 'best pm' hard to understand? 'Who is the person best suited to take on the duties and responsibilities of the job of prime minister'. That's not comp...
• Well the last one was far worse than this, on both sides. It was a real serious attack campaign, where martin pulled every nasty and unsubstatiated comment a...
• First off - remember that some of the polls you may be seeing are only tracking specific ridings, while this is an 'all canada' poll. Second - i haven't re...
• Haven't seen the numbers yet for manitoba - but definately ndp support is up strongly in bc. It's looking like they will gain seats here, probably about 2 - 4.
• Actually - the debate about how effective telephone polling is given factors like what you just quoted is one that's been kicked around a lot lately. But r...
• I think what it boils down to Roedy is something i was saying before the election - people were not prepared to actually make a decision on who they were goi...
• luc - your intentions are noble enough so i won't fault you there. But the fact is, the world doesn't work the way you're suggesting. First - It's not nick...
• Ok - I see where you're going now. Well - in fairness several polls have asked about trustworthiness, competance and vision specifically. And really, 'best ...
• True, and i expect it may well come up in the debates as well. But to be perfectly honest - i'm really not sure how much of the green vote is really 'for' ...
• The law isn't just about this one term in gov't - it applies to every gov't after this. The idea is simple - in a majority gov't ONLY the PM can call an el...
• That makes no sense whatsoever. The law applies to both minority and majorities - but it NEVER removed the powers to kill a gov't due to lack of confidence...
• I think the people don't trust Dalton much - but I think even more importantly Dalton knows the CPC are going to win, and may win a majority. Dalton is goi...
• ROFL - nobody will steal more money from our pockets than the liberals did :) If you include simply theft and gross overspending, the libs have beaten every...
• Can't blame him - he's going to need a few favours pretty quick here. Ontario's a mess economically
• The campaign was not ready to go, obviously. They still had a lot of work to do. They were caught with their pants down. Layton on the other hand, despite ...

LP 35, CP 33, NDP 17, BQ 8, GP 7 - Harper leads as best PM (New Nanos Poll) (2008-08-29)

• war not peace? The LIBERALS sent us to afghanistan and to kandahar, and it was a liberal lead committee that suggested we stay there now. Environmental ston...
• Well it's not so much hari kari for Harper - the libs financial picture means that even if he comes back with exactly what he's got now, he'll have won big. ...
• Uhh - harper says he can't get a majority. I'm pretty sure he expects to win the election :) That's what he mean when he said we'd wind up about where we are...
• First off TPQ - I take it you didn't see the hypocracy in your post damning Harper for his attack ads, then boasting your party will be using nasty attack a...
• I'm not sure where he's going with that gordo. He kind of likes the 'conspiricy' sort of arguments, but i'm missing this one. I think to be perfectly frank...
• A dion minority is not likely. But we'll know more about their respective plans when we see the platforms in full - the green shift is a disaster, but we don...
• The ndp numbers are indeed interesting - the recent CROP poll put them at 15 percent there (within the margin of error of this poll). There's no doubt they'...
• Another interesting number - the undecided. Once again it's very high. What we could be seeing here is some serious voter volatility. People may be just wait...
• Yes they did - they said right off the bat that khandahar would be a combat mission, specifically to attack and wipe out the taliban. Overplayed kyoto? The...
• Well we'll see pretty quick wont we :)
• Niks been off before, i think he'd be the first to admit that :) Normally i wouldn't doubt it much but with about 4 other polls out recently showing radical...
• What's to ignore? We've still got massive medical issues in canada, and paul martin still slashed health care funding to a fraction of what it once was. An...
• I don't think very many people have really thought about replacing harper. There's a very very teeny tiny chance of dion actually winning - and in fact it's ...
• Well when you consider at the start of the last election race his rival was actually 8 points ahead of him according to SES it's not quite that bad at all :)...
• A tonne of hypocracy actually :) If it's standard to critisize your opponent then you really can't blame harper for doing so - and dion has been just as cri...
• No proof at all - except for various polling results, the inability of the libs to break ahead, and of course statements from LIBERAL MP's discussing it in t...
• the libs have a history of turfing a leader the moment he loses. Chretien summed it up best when asked about martin - "he didn't win." The liberals as a par...
• Facist stuff? So - the premiers of the provinces are facists now? Paul martin was severely critisized for his cuts to health care for many years. I guess t...
• LOL - duceppe's meeting showed that harper was right - duceppe says he doesn't have any confidence in the gov't. (Big surprise). So - harper was correct. ...
• The polls show harper's breaking out in quebec, and the number one choice for people as prime minister. So... yeah that's going to be dion looking for work ...
• Uhh - we went to afghanistan under Chretien. Not martin. The liberals not only didn't try to cut our losses - they committed us to a combat mission inside ...
• Ummm... martin IS sitting in opposition. He's still in politics. He didn't give up his seat. He's the MP for Lasalle-Emard So yet another rather blatant fal...
• Actually - the rcmp scandal didn't come anywhere close to knocking 10 percent off the total. First off - the libs only dropped 7 points from their start. S...
• Not while he was prime minister, and numerous liberals and pc's have accepted money for things while they're in office as mp's. There's nothing wrong with th...
• Awww - did your feelings get hurt again? Hey - i understand. If my hero was about to get flushed down the toilet like yours is, i'd be pretty down in the dum...
• Blend his percents without the west and you get a regional total, with a much much higher margin of error. So yeah - if you increase the margin of error he...
• So - you agree that you're entirely wrong and he IS still an mp - but i'm a joke because he's not actually doing his job. LOL - well THERE'S liberal thinki...
• Harper has never polled anywhere close to 50 percent. He's rarely hit 41 - in fact i don't think he's broken 40 more than once. And even that was very rare. ...
• muldonn? What are you talking about?
• First question. No. Hiller wasn't actually in charge of the military at that point. We went in 2001 - i believe he took over in 2005? So no - he didn't get u...
• Well then you seem to be confused. His approval ratings are still in the high 40's. It's his 'best pm" ratings that are shown here and are still quite high ...
• They are pie in the sky conspiracy theories. :)
• That's kind of nuts bud - i dont' thnk you need look any farther than the fact dion is attempting to scoff NDP voters to wonder why Jack is attacking them. ...
• The liberals also refused to honour kyoto, and they were the ones who signed it. They also pandered to corporate powers (which is why they can't raise mone...
• uhhh - that's not what he said larryl. He said Dion wouldn't be able to get his campaign together effectively. The green tax is such a horrible plan that i...
• It's hardly his first campaign. We've seen him in action in his riding, we've seen him campaign for the liberal leadership. Where did you think Harper got a...
• Oh yeah - conservatives just LOVE Taliban Jack :) Sounds more to me like a liberal sympathizer hoping to knock a few NDP votes over to dion by floating a t...
• could be - frankly i haven't heard anything positive from any westerners i've spoken to about the green tax. The ndp has put it's own concept forward I bel...
• The green tax is a horrible plan, regardless of how you look at it. It's a terrible environmental plan, it's a HORRIBLE financial plan. It has nothing to d...
• You really lose credibility when you suggest Layton and Harper are 'buddy buddy'. Especially when your evidence is that Layton is attacking dion .. that's wh...
• Sorry - forgot you asked about the ndp in bc poll - Yes, it was the 'internet' poll. But it is angus reid. This isn't some newspaper online poll or somethi...
• Your personal definition is irrelevant - and frankly i think you're doing all the leaders some disservice. We have a system, it's a confrontational system, a...
• I think mulroney was PM for the first gulf war actually - tho the libs of the day did support it. I think you got 'em on the other ones tho :)
• uhh - they're not even remotely close. If you add all the money raised for the leadership candidats, AND all the money raised by the party - and then double ...
• You are either joking or delusional. The cbc was taken to task several times in just the last year or three for misreporting stories on the CPC in a negative...
• What on earth are you talking about? The american political system is actually far LESS 'high handed' than canada's - Chretien ruled with an iron fist! And...
• Yet i've posted two polls from reputable polling companies taken within days of this poll's timeline that show he's actually behind 6 points. And those polls...
• Well lets go down your list. You're asking what specifically the liberals did in the last 12 years that i mentioned that was a failure - Health care. The l...
• Harper has got a stratagy. Again - it's important to be honest if you're going to be taken seriously. You may not LIKE the stratagy but he's definately got o...
• Changed their minds or following the handbook? Oh i don't think either is accurate. I think people simplify in their statements, and i think you're pulling ...
• Well that's just not true Mike. As i've said several times, if you need to resort to lies to prop up your argument, it's probably not a good argument. Chre...
• I don't think anyone sane will compare some guy accidentally leaving his documents at a girlfriends place with liberals deliberately leaving brown envelopes ...
• New poll out today btw - angus reid has the CPC ahead by 6 points. That makes 3 out of the 4 reputable pollsters saying the CPC has a 6 point lead. Like ...
• Oh - and new poll out today btw - angus reid has the CPC ahead by 6 points. That makes 3 out of the 4 reputable pollsters saying the CPC has a 6 point le...
• My mistake - the poll has the cpc ahead by EIGHT points.
• Well anything's possible, but to be honest with you i don't think we need the idea of a 'liberal plant' to explain it. People often make a simple mistake -...
• That is simply not true bernie. Not only is the cbc not bias-free, but to call papers like the toronto star "conservative' is clearly insane. I don't think t...
• Dion clearly has very little control over his party. They're in the paper arguing back and forth amongst themselves over changes (or not changing) the green ...
• Oh really? So... dion WASN"T threatening to call an election? Dion DOES have confidence in this gov't? Harper doesn't care about the so called 'scandals' a...
• Oh, i'd say that's accurate enough - harper does intend to destroy the liberal party. Good thing too - it's corrupt and needs to be destroyed. Harper played ...
• Wow - the dishonesty just keeps coming with your side doesn't it. In fact, Harper's had very explicit stratagies and policies that have worked very well. A...
• Decima isn't considered reputable by anyone. Angus reid is :) So is stratigis and ipsos. So is nik of course - but that's only one of three. Even most l...
• Where are you seeing that ? I have a difficult time believing the star would screw up that badly - i posted a link, lets see your link to the angus reid poll...
• Ahh the usual liberal stance - when confronted by fact, deny everything :) Well done. You really are helping show why the liberals don't deserve to be in p...
• Maybe - after he's been in a decade or so it might turn out that way. Never know with politicians. But it sure isn't the truth now. :) the libs are far and...
• the green plan has been trashed by a lot more reputable economists than have praised it, that's for sure. Not to mention several provinces and territories, n...
• Well the American economy is indeed showing some unexpected signs of recovery, but it's too soon to tell if it's actually on the mend or not. There are still...
• Ad scam went on for a long long time before the libs attacked it. And even then it was only because it had been exposed by the AG. And thats not even getti...
• Ronald - he's 90 percent of the way there already. without rehashing the numbers yet again - the liberals currently cannot pay all their bills. They had to...
• Uhhh - that isn't an angus reid poll. That's an ipsos poll. So you lied again. How am i not shocked. And it's an ipsos poll that shows harper ahead of th...
• Maybe. I suspect most 'plants' are just people who feel strongly about one party or another rather than an organized effort. Doesn't really matter in the e...
• LOL- actually the majority of polls show the CPC ahead of the libs :) And if you really believed otherwise - you wouldn't have tried lying just now to say d...
• The liberals will be cash strapped under anyone. The liberals have gone to great lengths already to increase donations. People don't donate to the losers a...
• Translation - you know i'm right and can't think of an kind of response that will make sense :)
• And i've posted 4 polls that show the CPC is ahead. And one of yours does too for that matter :) So that's 5 showing the CPC ahead of the libs, and 2 showin...
• I see you have no answer to my question about how a tax will help our economy. I'm not surprised - but it just proves you don't believe what you're saying...
• The introduction of those programs? well hold on - we had medicare before the libs - it was provincial. And tommy douglas was the one pushing to make it fede...
• Heh - well anything's possible :) Lets just say it would be very very impressive indeed if he could even bring them back to the miserable financial situati...
• Well i don't think there's much surprise there. Layton has been pretty clear for some time he doesn't think the gov'ts going in the right direction.
• ROFL - you DO realize that we sell our goods to the us right? Heck for that matter - the west's economy is pretty good, it's the east that's suffering. They...
• Aww - i take it you just realized how wrong you are again, and have no intelligent arguement left :) You know - there's all kinds of intelligent stuff we co...
• HEHEHE - ohh my goodness - you really are very bitter about having been caught out again aren't you :) That's pretty funny - hey, if you don't want to lose ...
• I've read them quite carefully. And i can count which seems beyond you :) But i do love that you're back to the 'namecalling' stage - i always know when y...
• Oh yeah :) Did they really - how about a link to that poll.
• ROFLMAO - hehehe - you're really scared aren't you :) You must be to be acting like this. You picked the wrong leader - get over it. Dion's going down and ...
• Hehehehe - man it's hilarious watching you squirm :) I know you're frustrated dion's not going to win this one - but what did you expect? Next time pick s...
• I don't really believe you. If it is, this would be the very first time you'd actually told the truth. I think you're simply lying again. If you can't post...
• LOL - Dion will do well to hold what he's got in ontario, and quebec.. ooooh they don't like him in quebec one little bit :) You have about 1 more month to ...
• Hahaha - you're not defensive? Oh my god, you're running around screaming insults and making up 'facts' that turn out to be false left right and center :) H...
• hehehe- is THAT what you've been basing your hopes on? You have to look at support density bud. Having more people in toronto that will vote liberal won't ...
• Heh - couldn't answer the question i see. I'm not surprised, dion hasn't been able to answer it either. Unfortunately, economists and voters keep asking th...
• Dion has been saying he's going to call an election all summer. He has failed to show up to something like 40 votes in parliament. Layton and duceppe have ...
• ROFL - you can put lipstick on a pig.. but it's still a pig.
• Well most of the ones we've discussed here in the last month include those numbers, and it's always higher for the CPC by quite a bit. In fact, one of the ...
• It's not hard to see where the votes are - they're CPC ridings :) Harper doesn't need to make gains in ontario. Hey - it's great if he does, but nobody's ex...
• The cpc isn't polling at 29 percent. Most polls put it a little better than that. for example: The provincial breakdown shows the Grits with a slight adva...
• The cpc is making critical gains in select ridings - they stand to take about 15 - 20 new seats. Quite impressive really. But even 10 seats will be fantast...
• Heh - well dion's plan must be pretty bad then, because it's making Harper look pretty good :D
• True. They did support it. There is a tendancy for some of the more 'radical' members of the liberal and other parties to try to promote stereotypes as if ...
• I don't think Quebec has EVER been angry at anyone for bribing them :) And i think pretty quick they're going to realize dion's tax means less money in th...
• Which poll is that - i posted some of the ones we're commenting on and none put him in that range at all that i noticed. Of course the spread is pretty wide ...
• ROFL - did you post those polls yet from angus? I haven't looked if you did, but i'm guessing probably not :) And i'm looking at the crop polls and the inc...
• Wow :) I'm going to print this off and after the election I'm going to show it to anyone who doesn't think the liberals are dreamers :D Dion's not going an...
• ROFL - you can wave to him thru his window at sussex if you like - dion will drop like a rock. I suspect we'll see the real drop happen after the first lea...
• Heh - well true :) I guess i meant they won't win may liberal converts :)
• Actually i've already posted several other pollsters that show higher results. In fact there are more showing higher than lower. And the fact is they ALL s...
• Actually - virtually all the polls, INCLUDING nanos, had the tories polling higher than they finished days before the election. A last ditch effort by the li...
• It is of course completely rediculous to suggest the undecided are the people who don't vote. We know that to be untrue. If that were true, then the parties ...
• It's not hard to come up with all kinds of 'pinpoints' when you're just making up fantasy stuff :) Your 'studied' research to date has all proven wrong - ...
• There's a very real chance the liberals will drop below 70 seats, and an outside chance they will drop below 50. He stands on the brink of the same precipice...
• Those people are liberals - mostly traditional liberal supporters who just can't stomach dion. They won't vote for another party, but they'll sit this one ou...
• What's very obvious to every pollster - they all comment on it - is that Canadians see harper as a better PM and a better leader than Dion. And realistical...
• There are 20 just in the areas around quebec city that are very real possibilities. And they have a history of all voting the same. They've been tory before ...
• Common wisdom eh? :D Well it's entirely possible - they were liberal seats. Of course - 'common wisdom' said they were winning in outremont. THey lost. Comm...
• Yet you wouldn't believe him if he said different. IN other words - as the poster points out, whatever anyone says that's good for the libs is gospel, what e...
• I take it english is your second language? In fact i have provided many facts - many you said didn't exist in fact :) And the 'facts' you've provided have...
• Already been done. I noticed you dodged my questions about the polls you claim exist :) You realize you're starting to sound even more desperate with eac...
• It IS showing up in the polls. In fact, several analyists have written articles about it. The problem is you choose to ignore any poll that doesn't say wha...
• Hahaha - Don't care for honest facts and figures or reasoned logic eh? Well i can understand - feel free to put your fingers in your ears and hum to your h...
• ANd this time harper has MORE votes and therefore the liberal percentages will not be enough. My data is precise and historically accurate. The only reas...
• You mean their economy? Hard to say. It depends on more than just america - economies around the world are suffering right now, which is not unexpected. ...
• Quite a bit of fact actually - and lots of room for people wanting more info to do their own research. The collapse of the PC is a fact -and the circumstan...
• Actually you didn't - you either ignored it or said 'look it up' - because it doesn't exist. And when you DO post info it turns out that you weren't tellin...
• ROFLMAO :) ohhh dear - seems i've struck another nerve with you :) I've posted facts and models - ALL of the facts, not just stuff that makes one party lo...
• Well whether it's the CPC or the libs, i can pretty much tell you it won't be THIS guy :) But the question was about the greens - I think you're dead righ...
• I love how when the libs did it - it was 'just the way the rules are', but now it's a 'violation of the rules' :) It's not of course - the libs are broke an...
• The ndp has been gaining strength for some time now. They're not going anywhere. But it will be interesting to see if the left 'unites' this election. Layt...
• Well lets see - the libs campaigned on getting rid of the GST - but failed to do so. The CPC had cut gst, and the libs complained. So the libs can be thank...
• Uhh - that wasn't the cpc. That was a crown corporation that was staffed originally by the liberals. Unfortunately - it takes more than 3 years in office t...
• LOL - i actually kind of liked that one :) Interesting point tho - it highlights what i believe will be jack's intent this time of positioning the NDP as a ...
• LOL - i was just thinking of sending Dion an email saying the same thing :) You on the other hand... well maybe the pitcher will walk you :) It is typical ...
• oh i didn't say it was CREDIBLE - just that i thought it was a great line :)
• Well - hard to argue with your logic Ronald. We'll have to see what Harper comes up with It's possible he's swinging for a base hit here - inch up another n...
• LOL - my my tpq - you do love a little dishonesty in the morning dontcha :) Actually - what i said was it's possible if the libs start to slide that they co...
• My stance on the polls hasn't changed a hair :) The libs are going into this with about 30 percent, the cpc about 36. Give or take about 3 points (margin of...
• Actually - a number of analysts wrote that the CROP polls which i have already show you demonstrate that the CPC could take the 20 seats just in the hinterla...
• Ha! :) There's a hell of a lot of books and ex liberals who say the EXACT same thing about liberal policy :) The liberal patronage program and the 'creatio...
• Actually - looking at their results they're fairly accurate inside quebec. You were going to post that poll saying they were WAY off just before the electi...
• You're right about the liberals - they have no ideology. It's all about being in power. Good for the pocketbook when you have contracts to sell :)
• Interesting points ron. There isn't any surprise that the vote will be a free vote - that's a private member's bill. The party won't be whipped for a private...
• No - it's still a private bill. But it's probably a dead private bill pretty quick - it dies with an election call.
• ROFL - ohhh dear. I've upset you again :) My my. You do seem to be upset easily. You seem more worried about insulting people when you can't come up with a...
• Yes - i can tell you're not upset. People often just turn 'cap locks' on just for the heck of it :) Yes - i agree, you've shown polls that are way out to lu...
• You mean do i ever tire of simply speaking the truth? Not really :) It's not complex to figure out. If you weren't blinded by partisan fanaticism you'd alr...
• That has in fact been their modus operandi since trudeau.
• Wow - that is a very intersting poll and analysis http://tinyurl.com/5zov97 for those who missed it. Sounds like that guy's been reading MY stuff :) h...
• The thing is ron - rarely do parties actually make decisions based on these sort of national numbers. They're interesting, but they don't tell the story. Co...
• LOL - it's not extremely western oriented now. If it were, property rights would be at the top of the agenda. But you can bet that it's western flavoured, ...
• The libs are in worse shape than most realize. There is a very real possibility that the next decade will see them exist only in the history books. I notic...
• Hmm. I'm feeling a two -parter coming on :) Gordo - you're right of course about the leaders. There's no arguing that a loss for either one means death. The...
• I know what you mean about the 'not counting for anything' feeling - i remember as a kid watching the elections before the 'no publishing' rule came out - an...
• Polling around summertime can always be a little iffy. For some reason - the libs have always polled higher in the summer and lower in the fall/winter, and t...
• Well i do have expertise in the matter. Polling is done based on the percent of the population. In the case of this poll it breaks down like this : Region...
• That is a subject of MUCH debate. There is very little doubt that people are affected by polling numbers. How much, and what the effect is in different cir...
• I like to think we're not that divided - just "different". You take your family to a restaurant, and dad wants steak, mom wants chicken and the kids want spa...
• LOL - well if it catches on and they make a t-shirt, you can always demand a royalty :D
• Oh it's not hard - the fact is controlling the bureaucracy is more important in many ways than controlling the gov't. Look at the recent 'farm loan' to a f...
• Paul martin was between a rock and a hard place. The judicial enquiry was a good enough idea, and i think it helped more than it hurt when he called it. The ...
• I wouldn't for a second suggest his motives were entirely altruistic - but i think he really did want to get to the bottom of it for genuine reasons, not ju...
• Really tpq. So - when martin was all about attack ads, i assume you didn't vote for him? And i love the hypocracy you show again, immediately launching int...
• Honestly MRM, i'm beginning to think nothing short of being wiped out completely and forced to rebuild will do it. Don't mistake me. We need to have a libe...
• Huh! - never really thought of the bloc that way, but you may well be right.
• I've answered that .. what.. 4 times now? If all you're going to do is repeat the same questions i've answered may I suggest a new career as a parrot? Either...
• Dion to make 'Green Shift' plan more marketable The following story appeared on the CTV website today - http://tinyurl.com/59wr9c Dion to make 'Green Shi...
• Well i don't know about him resigning that fast. If he does, I BELIEVE that iggy takes over the party till the convention. That presents a few issues :) Ig...
• Larryl - last week he said publicly he wouldn't change a single comma. Now he's changing. That's not being flexible or responsive - that's just flip floppi...
• Well if he was going to reconsider he should have kept his mouth shut a couple of days ago when he was telling everyone he wouldn't change a comma.
• Just a few days ago he said he wouldn't change a single comma. This isn't modifying the plan to benefit people. This is simply getting poll results back an...
• ROFL - typical TPQ - when faced with an argument, hurl insults like crazy and stick your head in the sand :) This is what's wrong with the liberal party tod...
• It's very typically liberal of you to resort to insult and personal attack when you don't like someone's argument, instead of intelligent counter points. T...
• I'm a pretty good person I think :) I'm the kind who doesn't substitute nothing but personal insults for intelligent conversation. I can see what type you ar...
• And the rest of the 443 are desperate liberals furious over having their fibs exposed hurling insults around left and right :) And you're a lot older than m...
• ROFL :) Whenever someone shows a liberal supporter facts then rather than come back with intelligent counter arguments they rely on the old 'he's a paid s...
• Hard to believe? Heck larryl - as the libs are about to find out, there's a whole country full of people who like harper and don't like dion out there :)
• Well - it IS actually a fact that liberals used illegal funds to deliberately overspend by huge amounts on elections. We're not talking about a dispute in th...
• The pollsters have been asking people who they trust more as pm by the thousand recently, and it always comes up harper. And in fact the ndp could form gov...
• 8 - well obama is a LONG way from being 'certain' to win. I think he will, but it's going to be close no matter how you slice it. However - if you read obama...
• Hiller wasn't there when we went. How hard is that to understand?
• Hiller WAS NOT THE GUY when we went to afghanistan! For heaven's sake - you might as well blame bob rae, it makes about as much sense!
• Criminally you mean? Nope, you're right. Of course - neither was mulroney. I think most people know better tho. The system protects them pretty well. But...
• Well larryl - your statements are not true. 1 - harper did not deny any million dollar life insurance policy had been offered - he said he had no knowledge...
• We'll expect to see more ndp votes bled from the libs. The libs voted for afghanistan last time and the time before. The NDP is the only party saying get out...
• Latest poll - CPC 38 - libs 28 - NDP 19 http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2008/09/04/poll-results.html "Canadians are most likely to vote for the Conservative...
• New Quebec poll - Conservatives, Bloc in virtual tie in Quebec, poll finds http://tinyurl.com/5kh965 "QUEBEC CITY — The Conservatives and the Bloc Québécoi...
• Well that does echo something i was saying a little ways back on this forum, namely that people were 'holding their breath' and were bound and determined not...
• Oh sure- they're still a good 3 - 4 points at least away from even a bare majority ronald. I do think they're going to come closer than most people suspect,...
• Well looking at the green numbers for this poll (and sure, one poll doesn't tell the story well enough to be sure) I have to wonder if the greens aren't begi...
• Ronald - I agree that more gains are needed to really break out. I think 30 more seats as you say is probably not realistic even if the numbers increase a fa...
• And how do you know that? Mulroney has never been convicted of it - he says he didn't do it (he accepted the money later) and the ONLY proof we have is the w...
• Hiller had nothing to do with our decision to go to war with afghanistan. And since going, we didn't increase our troop strength by any meaningful amount. ...
• Larryl - they're ten points ahead. They'll gain seats if they do nothing more than what they've done. And 'uncontested' ? Where have YOU been living? Dion ...
• Then - why do canadians all seem to say he'll make a better PM ? Virtually every single poll agrees on that. And why is Quebec moving towards him? He's way ...
• Well he's too far behind this time. In 'years to come'... well that's harder to say. Who can say what will happen in 8 years? 6 years ago people said the rig...
• Heh - i was wondering there for a minute. ("when the heck did i bring up Coyne?")
• Actually, his suit never had anything to do with election expenses. It was that dion specifically said he was aware of a million dollar bribe (which we can't...
• Actually - they've only ever been invaded by the Russians. Afghanistan didn't exist until fairly recently in history. And it's a little different this time...
• I'm afraid you're mis-informed. The un went into Afghaninstan. It was sanctioned, and we went with them. It wasn't against any laws whatsoever, and frankly w...
• The ndp has never really put forward a platform per se. More of a list of guiding principles they intend to harass the gov't about. They have positioned them...
• While it could well be argued that thru the development of smart weapon technology the US has done more than anyone else to reduce the number of civilian cas...
• ROFL - i've caught you out telling falsehoods and posted proof of it so many times it's not even funny :) And your 'star' candidates are a bit of a joke -...
• He challenges you to come up with facts, and thats the best you can do? The libs are in worse trouble than i thought :)
• Sadly for the libs, this would indeed seem to be the case, especially in quebec. The fact is who wants to leave a good paying job to run for Stephane Dion, a...
• Dion's chances of doing well in the debates is pretty close to zero. He sucks at debates, we saw that during the leadership campaign. What he will be shootin...
• Well we can't have a CPC gov't forever - it would become corrupt eventually given enough time. It's clean now but give them 4 or 5 terms unopposed and they'd...
• Actually i get khan and atilla mixed up myself pretty regular. One silly pointy fur-rimmed hat looks pretty much like any other silly pointy fur rimmed hat t...
• I doubt Gagliano applied for his loan to time it with a CPC election that nobody knew was coming. Nor is it likely he filed his lawsuit with the intent of ...
• Actually - polling suggests the NDP is on the move, and entirely at the expense of the libs. We'll need more time to see if it's long term growth but so fa...
• All good points mrm. I don't know about a majority but Harper is going to win the election. As i said before it even started, it's really just a matter of by...
• It's not absurd at all actually - even if it doesn't bleed to death on it's own, a party that cannot fund it's activies is quickly destroyed. Consider the ...
• Duceppe is ignoring dion because he's no threat. Harper on the other hand could take half his seats away. But for layton this is a surprising move - it sho...
• Hehehehe - ohhh it's just too precious. Dion's already offered a solution to our economic problems - a tax. It's quite simple - The green tax, by taxing ...
• You keep saying 'innuendo'. in the immortal words of Indigo Montoya I don't think that word means what you think it does :) There's no innuendo here in the ...
• You know what's funny? Liberals whine about how harper is a bully because he's "all about attacks". More hypocracy from a party that pretty much defines t...
• Harper is already a centrist. The left tries to paint him as 'scary right wing' but nobody believes it. That's why the latest polls have more than 50 perce...
• Rsharp - I've always believed that it's important to be honest in life. It seems you're not even being honest with yourself and that's not a healthy thing. r...
• They don't have much else. The fact is the polls are all clear - the majority of canadians think harper is a good pm, and certainly the best pm. The electi...
• LOL - Boxer? Are we down to petty attempts to mispronounce my name now? That's pretty amusing :) you must be getting desperate :) 1 - Well i'm glad to hear ...
• heh :) well there's truth in that, there can be no doubt :) I'm reminded of that old philisophical question - You are a photographer on a beach, and you s...
• Well - remember our talk about the need to be honest with one's self. :) First - harper's going to win the election. That's just the way it is. Nobody beats...
• Well it is what it is. Of course - thankfully now we also have the internet, and about 60 percent of canadians use non mainstream media information sources...
• Heh :)
• And they did respect international law. The un itself sanctioned the invasion and participated in the formation of the current gov't and rebuilding and conti...
• Well first off - the brits didn't get rid of blair. He stepped down. The current guy is who stepped in and he won, so they can't have been THAT pissed at bla...
• hehehe - yeah, nice work if you can get it. Looking at the old boy his heart just doesn't look like it's in it as much this time around.
• Well - yes you are wrong. You made a statement that was inaccurate. They didn't toss him out at all. Saying that you're right when clearly the facts don't ...
• My single example (one of many i could offer) is one example more than you've offered i note :) So at least i could come up with one! :) And what i said i...
• Heh - well that's a very real possibility. I don't know about a majority just yet, but without a doubt harper will win, and it'll be a long time before the l...
• Tories seize lead in key ridings, poll shows OTTAWA — Voters in pivotal regional battlegrounds across Canada have shifted their support toward the Harper To...
• Dion made his first blunder today. In his TV appearance he encouraged people to go on the web and read up about the carbon tax at www.greenshift.ca BUT - t...
• Well he'll run with it for the election likely, unless the court grants her that injuction to stop using that term. But i do expect he'll be paying somethi...
• I'm hoping to see dion slide a drop more and layton increase a little bit, and then have the fight focus on who will win opposition. People can take it for g...
• I'm not surprised. He's not much of an asset in quebec. The real question is - can the ndp make gains and take away some of the ridings from the libs? That...
• For someone who's been claiming to be 'ready to go' for the last 2 years, he doesn't seem very well prepared. It will cost him momentum, that's for sure.
• The polling results for any one poll these days this early in the race should be taken with a grain of salt. That's regardless of methodology. But in this ...
• LOL - if you find it surprising that the parties update their websites during an election, then you must be pretty new at this :) It'll be updated for some t...
• Well that's always been the question hasn't it? Which liberals? If those involved are to be believed there are several, including one of the pm's top aides a...
• I suspect it'll cost them a pretty penny :) now here's a question - do they realize that'll have to be included in their election expenses? I bet they don't...
• Are you kidding me? Larryl - you need to really take some time and learn how the system works. If we were talking about a set election date that everyone k...
• Larryl - that was explained to you. Having a full slate of people willing to run is not the same as having a full slate of people who's paperwork has been co...
• Easy Ron, there's no need to be calling them liberal 'party lobbyists'. Besides, i'd think larryl would be making slightly more 'informed' posts if he was. I...
• That's the thing bernie - she doesn't represent 600,000 people. She doesn't represent ANY people, she never elected a single mp ever. In times gone by the ...
• LOL - if it's name calling and insults, then the lobbyists are you, tpq and rsharp :) I know you love a good conspiricy theory but the paid folk from ALL p...
• I haven't talked to anyone who wasn't a strong liberal supporter who really felt she should have been included. I've talked to a few who though she should be...
• Well i feel that's a bit of a cop out. But, i don't think anyone cares. Either you can do the job or you can't - and that's what he'll be judged on. His fren...
• We'll see, that's for sure. His polling numbers haven't jumped much yet - but it's very early in the campaign and if the libs start to slide then he may attr...
• Well for heaven's sake - if he's calling people 'stratagists' for pointing out a basic fact of how our election system works, then that sure doesn't say much...
• They'd probably signed their nomination papers at that point larryl. Do just a little reading as to how the process works and it'll be much more clear to y...
• Ahhh - so this would be the standard liberal tactic of claiming anyone who doesn't agree and has more than a pre-schooler's knowledge of how politics works M...
• I don't believe the word 'pooping' nor 'puffin' came up at all :) I think it would be more accurate to say I called liberals puffed up poops if it came down ...
• It's newsworthy to appoint people to posts based on whats between their legs rather than what's in their head? Hmm - well that's an interesting take on thing...
• Anti democratic because a fringe party that's never elected anyone isn't allowed to speak at a leaders debate? How does that make sense? Nobody's saying she ...
• LOL - keep going bud - the more you dig a hole for yourself and your party, the closer harper gets to a majority :)
• Dion has lead the charge in personal attacks in the campaign. And his supporters have certainly followed suit here. You don't have faith - you have delusio...
• A thinking woman wouldn't likely be offended by the idea that women can make it on their talents, not their sex. And buddy- if you think that women have ne...
• You added nothing to begin with. Win a seat - then talk in the debates. You have to draw the line somewhere. Like i said - i'm not convinced she DOES have...
• Well week two of that poll just came out, and it's still the same numbers. It would seem that the media reporting he's going to get a majority hasn't turned ...
• Heh - used car salesman :) I have to admit, every time i see layton i do have a sudden urge to find out where he is and go and burn down his mustache. Unles...
• hehehe - TPQ the fact is I wish you'd post more! Your posts do more than I could to turn anyone off. It's all about insults and no facts with you. And people...
• They deserved SOME of it? Which some do you feel they deserved? The part where Chretien got a business buddy a loan so he could afford to buy Chretien's pro...
• Yeah. I don't think she's really there to present an opposing view. The 'non agression' pact i could have lived with - it's not the first time it's happene...
• Oh - you mean the one that says It was the Conservatives who saw their big lead there slip a little, dropping four percentage points, to 41 per cent. The Li...
• LOL - it warms my heart to see you so desperate and upset TPQ :) Looks like the race now is going to be between the libs and the NDP for second place... cou...
• By Popular Request - Latest poll: Tories at 38, libs 24, ndp 21. [CALGARY - Sept. 10, 2008] - The Conservative Party remains on top in the early stages of ...
• Awww - that's sweet rsharp :) I hope you still like me after the election results are in, and you're done swearing :) Too soon to predict either a majority...
• Really? Strange - it was EXACTLY that criteria that the liberals demanded when the reform was trying to get involved in the debates. So - could you explain...
• Thanks. Obviously the libs would like to compare the theft of hundreds of millions and the misspending of billions to the very minor issues the cpc faced, bu...
• LOL - wow - is english your second language or something? I said it's a race. It's a very real possibility they will come in third. That's not the same as sa...
• BTW rsharp - how are you feeling these days about the plummet the liberal party is in? Perhaps you think it's just some sort of clever ploy on dion's part?
• Several MP's have been accused, and of course we have goodale on record saying he's SURE the inside trader leak didnt come from his people.. when in fact it ...
• Oops - sorry, missed the rest of yoru post. Scandal - the libearls have over 100 in the last 12 years - no other gov't has EVER come close to that. Corru...
• The MSM is mostly left wing. However - i never rely on any one poll. And i never rely on what the paper reports about them, i look up the polls themselves an...
• None were convicted. Several were accused. We know SOMEONE is guilty - but we can't prove who. The fact remains tho - the thefts happened and the libs took...
• Possible perhaps. Number one is likely out. That would be one of the first elections that ever happened in :) There's always a little up and down, even if...
• Bound to happen - the NDP is doing very well. And bc is one place where it was expected they'd perform better than elsewhere. The CPC 'shrinkage' is actual...
• The puffin poop thing is starting to work against dion - because it's becoming his defining point. His actual policies and his performance have flopped, and ...
• I don't know bernie - there are good reasons not to allow May into the debate, and personally i don't think she should have been. But yeah you're definatel...
• I think it'll be a distraction from real debate - but you can bet two things ... 1 - more people will tune in to watch than ever as a result of the publicit...
• Well a three point lead is within the margin of error so it's really a tie, but still very good news. I imagine the whole 'green debate' issue over may cou...
• Only if they agree to support dion i expect :)
• What do you mean we were lied to about who attacked the us? You think it WASN'T bin laden? Under your logic, because the swiss funded the nazi's we should ...
• LOL .. "attack dogs" is it :) THe only person i see throwing insults at people in this thread is you Larryl, which is amusing considering how your party cr...
• I have to admit - 70 billion has to be the grandaddy of all campaign promises. that's pretty crazy.

Time for federal politicians to refocus (Nanos Sun Media Column) (2008-08-18)

• I'd have to check the records on that 100 million, but I CAN tell you that you're wrong about the gun registry. Well - sort of :) The gun registry's direct ...
• Heh - well I think you and ronald are going to be wrong this time around :) I don't know if barrack is the best choice for Americans, but I believe he will ...
• I tend to agree with most of your assessment Tom - perhaps it's the inevitable result of a rare 'perfect storm' in politics. For years, harper was focused on...
• Dion's 'news catcher' is being reported as a crippling tax and is being condemned in most of the provinces, with PEI's truckers actually causing enough stir ...
• So... when dion galavants around it's ok, but if harper does it's "abuse of power'? give me a break. And frankly - the liberals have been every bit as dis...
• I think that's the curse of a minority gov't Beach Boy. Martin spent so much time looking at polls and over his shoulder for a possible election that they ca...
• I agree gordo that people's focus tends to be elsewhere right now. I think it'll come down to election time before people really pay much attention. I am c...
• those are all interesting points, and i'll address them in a minute - but i'm still not seeing how we can 'straighten out' our parties by voting. And by that...
• Yeah, i gotta say i do feel the NDP usually comes out with the short end of the stick. Other than 'universal healthcare' virtually none of their ideas ever g...
• I think jan raises some interesting and valid points, there's no doubt. I tend to disagree tho that we 'didn't have this last minority'. I would personally...
• The effect of the American election - let me offer a contrasting point of view. I think the effect of the upcoming American election will depend entirely o...
• Yeah. From a practical point of view - it'll be the Conservatives or no one. The liberals are considerably farther away than the cpc - the cpc will have to p...
• No, he's not threatening to break his own law. The law says the next election will be in oct 09 - UNLESS there is a vote of no confidence, or unless the GG d...
• Not really. First off - it didn't cost 'us' anything, as in taxpayers. It actually saved us a lot of money as taxpayers. Second off - it wasn't flaterty. R...
• Of course he would. He calls dion out constantly and points out (accurately) that he is prepapred to go to an election even if dion is waffling. It's prett...
• I said it was a broken promise. And no - they didn't lose billions. That's a bit of a myth that those who prefer ..ahem.. 'figures of qusetionable honesty'...
• ROFLMAO - the polls - including niks own polls, are saying i'm telling the truth :) Or are you claiming nik is a liar as well? You're leaving? Awww - pleas...
• Heh!!! :) Yeah - if dion does a much 'better job' of brining the libs back, harper's going to have to start paying him for his services :) Dion may or may ...
• Well, I never really think of provincial ndp as being the same as federal, there's a lot of differences. But perhaps you're right. The ndp closing of shaun...
• Y'know - i just really don't know how to call that one MRM. I can see good points and bad points about both as far as which would benefit canada more in the ...
• Well like most things i guess it's a matter of personal perception regarding 'right' wing and 'left' wing, there probably isn't a 'right' answer (heh - could...
• Ahhh - monthly dividends have nothing to do with the 'income trust' status - it has everything to do with the performance of that particular company. Share p...
• No - the last two polls don't show the liberals slightly ahead. The harris decima poll showed a statistical tie, and they are notorious for showing the libs ...
• It's very rare to see any political party that "gets it all right" for everyone - or anyone for that matter :) There's some things i don't like about harper...
• People don't change their minds that fast. And the gov't poll i mentioned was yesterday, so that's even 'newer'. A month means something in an election - b...
• Sigh - you really do make it too easy. http://www.ipsos-na.com/news/pressrelease.cfm?id=4040 is august 19th "current enough" for you? Tories (36%) Contin...
• oh - and another one taken about 10 days ago: http://tinyurl.com/6yqoja Five-Point Lead for Conservatives in Canada Abstract: (Angus Reid Global Monitor) ...
• All parties of any political stripe tend to lose focus over time, especially when they're in power and relatively 'comfortable'. There was no real threat to ...
• Well, lets hope we never get QUITE as bad as Italy :) But I think that Canada is a lot more diverse than you think. Even within my own province i've seen it...
• Well if you read my comments on some of the other threads, i've been preaching essentially the same message with regards to how the election will play out - ...
• Yes, my experience with 'newfs' and 'wetcoasters' getting along has been similar :) Don't really know why - one of those weird cultural 'oddities' that like...
• Hehehe - James sure wears his heart on his sleeve :) Interesting article. He's just a hair bias in his opinion pieces of course (which is what opinion piec...
• The cover ups of all cover ups? Nobody's paying any attention to the ethics committee hearings, which Nik's own polling results suggest (read his article ab...
• I have done a fair bit of writing actually, but for tv shows :) No political commentary. I thought about writing political articles but then my hot water bi...
• Heh! That's a cute article :) And of course it's echoing a sentiment that was expressed early on - these byelections are tough on the libs, because 3 out of...
• About winter elections: Winter elections are indeed avoided at all costs. But in this particular case, I would propose that the disadvantages favour the CPC...
• Gordo! You are ruining a perfectly good and entertaining pissing match with reason and logic - KNOCK IT OFF!! :) :) :) heh!!! :) Discounting Harris Deci...
• Well dion hasn't faced a national campaign as leader of the liberals, that's true. But we have seen him in action in his riding, and of course we got a good ...
• I think people have 'kicked the tires' with the CPC, but i disagree slightly with your assessment. I think people were nervous and scared about the CPC, and ...
• Oh my god, you are HILARIOUS! :) Seriously, i'm almost feeling guilty for not paying for your show :) All your whining and crying about polls not counting u...
• Well that's a very distinct possibility. Harper could take it if he offers a clear vision for canada - but will he? Some think he's been so focused on 'attac...
• Sigh. Your capacity for self delusion is simply amazing. :) As nik himself reports above - nobody cares about the committee. If anything the libs are coming...
• ROFL - you have no guiding issue in the slightest! And if you DID believe in 'ethics above all', the liberals are the LAST party you'd vote for :) Heck, you...
• Well Mike - What issues are you concerned would 'shame' us? Or 'destroy' canada? Canada would remain canada. I can't think it would hurt us any more than s...
• Obviously the CPC in this case. Harper turned in his books, made no bones about what he did, didn't hide anything. Elections canada disagreed (surprise surpr...
• Mike, in what way would you expect he'd 'exploit' canada? And in what way would it destroy it? And no - he has not recruited me :) I have been critical of...
• I don't know that it's 'bragging' - you asked about a specific case. In this specific case the answer is clear. Had you asked me to compare and contrast adsc...
• Slight errors :) one or two are 'slight errors' maybe, but methinks you're beyond that just a hair. When you make numerous factually inaccurate statements at...
• Seperation is always an issue. However - i wasn't talking about election issues, i was talking about issues facing canada over the next 5 years. Seperatism...
• Harper doesn't need to drive a 'trck' (whatever that is) through the green plan. Everyone else is doing that for him. The provinces are coming out against it...
• Well there's logic. What do you base that on? He's ahead of dion by 6 - 7 points in the polls, and dion's running on a tax increase and trade wars. Or is t...
• No - you don't remember correctly. The one time hit will be coming up in future months. Which will be a 4 billion dollar 'surplus'. No economist thinks a 1...
• If dion were getting the response he wanted - he would have said we're definately going to the polls this year. Instead - he waffled. "maybe. I'll have to se...
• If it represented "ordinary Canadians' - then why are they having so much trouble fund raising now that ordinary Canadians are the ones footing the bill? Ev...
• For heaven's sake TPQ - i've already posted polls for you that are from august that say exactly that. As to the scandals - I HAVE been waiting for the expl...
• Ummm - it says we're in surplus. Not deficit. And it says revenues went down due to a tax cut. Not misspending. And we're currently at a 1.2 billion dollar s...
• First off - we've discussed harris decima. They constantly show higher results for the libs even when other polls are taken at the same time. They are ALWAYS...
• It is not conservative spin to state simple facts - as we see the data today the indications are that the cpc will win the election. Dion IS in fact proposin...
• There is absolutely nothing 'centrist' about the libs these days, or Dion. And if it's so much easier for the left or right to raise money, why have the li...
• Sweden did a lot more than 'carbon taxes'. First off - their carbon reduction plans started slowly back in the early 90's. It happened very gradually over ...
• Hey - the whole point is YOU want me to believe that the guy - the SPECIFIC guy - who didn't get it done back then is the guy to get it done now! I didn't s...
• It is a shame that you have fallen so low in your intellect and been so blinded by partisanship that you see anyone who dares disagree as a 'propaganda hound...
• I posted more than the ipsos poll actually in the other thread to you - the ipsos was posted due to your ridiculous claim that the harris poll you posted wa...
• How wonderfully cryptic. I doubt your 'knowledge' of me is any better than your knowledge of polls or any of the other nonsense you've spouted here. Unle...
• Oh? So... the article DOESN'T say we're in surplus? Maybe you should read it again. I can't help it if you posted information without reading it carefully ...
• hehehehe - because you say so without any evidence, proof, or even rational thought :) The rats are fleeing the ship. And we've all seen how often the 'fact...
• I understand it perfectly. Are you of the impression that democracy refers to a gov't that steals the people's money? The libs did that. The libs also fa...
• Hehehehe - YOU were the one who screamed bloody blue murder when I tried to post information (gasp!) two months old :) Nik hasn't done a lot of polls on vot...
• ROFL - no, neither of them suggested there was a deficit around the corner. They point out that we're in surplus. They suggest that there's not much room t...
• If harper is scared - why do i see dion in the paper pleading with him to change his mind and not call an election? When you're scared, you avoid an election...
• LOL - the figures are plain as day - there is no deficit. The lie would be saying there was. Tell me - if there's a deficit, how much are we in deficit for...
• Accoutability is not letting your gov't steal from the people for the better part of a decade in the first place. Accountability would be the Liberal party...
• Harper has not been even slightly accused of stealing any money - he produced a full set of accounts for his election spending, nobody had to 'uncover' what ...
• Yeah - I've heard half a dozen dates kicked around by the media, but most around the first of september, give or take 5 days. I notice dion's in the paper as...
• Well -- in many ways the stratagy is win -win for harper. I think he believes going againt the green plan is his best chance of getting a majority. And tha...
• Well - chretien was corrupt, there's no doubt at all. Mind you so was mulroney. The difference is that the right wing supporters destroyed mulroney's gov't...
• Heh - tpq you're always good for a laugh. :) Half of your threads get no support from your liberal friends at all, but if someone posts something and a conse...
• Thanks. I appreciate the compliment. There's one more factor i should mention. I don't know if Harper is thinking about it, but I sure would if i were in h...
• Well I live in vancouver and work in richmond, so I'm aware of some of these issues. But they're not 'big' on the radar for most canadians right now i think,...
• No, i think it's quite safe to say I will NOT be voting for Hedy "Crosses are Burning" Fry. :) Frankly - I think she's a bad person on top of being a bad ...
• Well everyone has their own experiences of course. My experiences with orientals i've had dealings with have been pretty positive for the most part, and most...
• He did explain what he meant on the tape. That's why Dion is getting sued. He said clearly that two members of the party suggested approaching cadman, and if...
• Well first off, we know he didn't bribe. In fact, he was never accused of even trying to bribe. The biggest accusation is that he knew of a bribe attempt...
• It's not looking that way. IN fact it's expected he'll win the court case. Which pretty much ends the discussion. That's why the liberal driven committee i...
• Umm - chretien is pretty much in living memory :) Which is what you said. You brought it up - now you complain when you're shown to be wrong. This is gett...
• ROFL - weren't you just complaining when i brought up other pm's in 'living memory' and THEIR shenanigans? (or should i say shawinigateigans?) In fact - it...
• Mulroney was pretty bad. Chretien was worse tho. Harper would indeed likely become corrupt if he were allowed to rule long enough. Maybe not but probably. ...
• hehehe - suuuure. And he'll appoint tinkerbell and peter pan to deal with the environment, and increase the budget for anti -pirate patrols :) Dion will ...
• Heh :) You don't correct me, you just simply accuse others of what your own party of choice is guilty of :) Dion has done nothing to wipe out corruption in...
• HAHAHA - you mean he's running for cover like crazy! He's gotten the results of polling as to how the Green Shift is going and he's scared as hell :) It's ...
• Guite was a liberal hack for 15 years. Like many people, he switched to the party in power as soon as it was convenient to do so. The liberals had nothing ...
• MRM is basically correct. I think it will be slightly harder to convince the GG that the parliament is disfunctional. That is a very serious charge - and h...
• larryl - that's pretty hypocritical of you to say. You insist mulroney was a corrupt politician without him ever having been convicted of any charge. In fact...
• LOL - Eva eh? Now THERE'S a mental image.. :) Well it's a tough call for the GG - she cannot be seen to be partisan. Harper passed a law saying the next el...
• Heh :) Well the fact is the 'alliance' bretheren actually make up a lot more of the votes in canada than they used to. The west has never been anywhere nea...
• It's a valid case - we'll see if it's compelling enough to get the GG to agree to exercise her own authority and dissolve parliament or not.
• I can only assume you mean the election in about 2018 - that's likely when he'll be removed from power after crushing the libs :) Hard to say - but we've g...
• I think if he loses it would be because he got hit by a bus during the campaign and died :) Harper's 6 points ahead going into it - and is a better campaign...
• I think you misunderstood - I didn't say there's no one in the wings, i said there's enough choices it's hard to say which one would be chosen by the people ...
• Larryl - you can't possibly be serious about shawinigate... there was a lot of evidence of very serious wrongdoings there - the PM using his powers for his o...
• Of course they were leaning to a liberal win - the liberals were EXPECTED to win - the question would have been by 'how much' . If dion had lost those ridin...
• Oww - and THIS just out: http://tinyurl.com/6htbjs Here's the translation for those who don't speak french - The Conservative Party of Canada made a leap...
• Conservatives Surge Ahead in Quebec - (latest CROP poll) Looks like the CPC is already off to a running start in quebec - probably one of the reasons that H...
• Actually - the GG cancelled her trip, so she'll be here to call an election one way or another. Word is harper broached the subject with her, and she sugge...
• Umm - that's acutally a french paper from quebec :) Not a 'conservative' paper from where I live. And that's a CROP poll - they are the recognized leaders ...
• I think you need to clean your glasses. You replied to my post showing the latest CROP results from quebec. And i never mentioned any online polling. And n...
• On some pages of what? What pages are you talking about? Even nik is off sometimes :) it's rare for him to get it perfect - and usually when he does it's R...
• hehehe - well nik IS providing the space for free, so i guess there's no harm in giving him a plug :) If it holds, we should do well indeed. If there is upw...
• LOL - first off it's never a great idea to get your political insight from a guy who's more worried about getting drunk than he is about what he's discussing...
• Heh! Well getting back to the realms of reality, it IS possible she might ask harper to try to work it out with the leaders one more time. But - i think t...
• Well it certainly seems like that's likely the case. Harper obviously believes that one way or another, he wouldn't be pushing this hard if he didn't believe...

Both Harper and Dion face greater risks than their rhetoric suggests (Nanos Sun Column) (2008-07-21)

• We do hear about many of those issues tom - medical services got several comments early on in harper's term, and he addressed something that has gone neglect...
• TPQ, you have GOT to be kidding me :) I doubt even you can possibly believe that line - and if you think a nickle of 'research money' will come out west you...
• Tom - as i recall the liberals were the ones who took us to afghanistan. And i'm not sure i can think of any other 'american foreign policy' we're supporting...
• I wouldn't worry about it. The fact is that what is needed to win is a concise vision for canada moving forward. We won't see that from harper until an elect...
• MRM is quite right - equalization payments are actually much higher now than they've ever been. Harper improved them, not the other way around. Heck even the...
• You can't make any of those statements TPQ - even dion and his cabinet have admitted they do not know how much this will reduce GHG's. Why is this plan bet...
• TPQ - as usual your posts contain a rather large number of factual errors. For example - the largest debt paydowns occured under the CPC's time. Further, t...
• True North - i can't answer for harper, but we can look at his history and make some strong observations. Based on that i'd say: 1 - Yes harper believes que...
• I'm thinking nigel is more right than wrong here. Layton is in a bit of a unique position, and the fact is he's actually an honest politican (as far as pol...
• Personally - I think Canada is holding it's breath a little. I think they've seen harper now and are saying "Ok, he's not so scary. But - what is he going ...
• I don't think nearly as many people think of harper as a bush clone as liberal supporters hope :) But i do think that if obama wins the election, it will te...
• Yeah but they all work in gov't jobs :)
• Ok - i should have phrased that differently. You can't make them honestly. They didn't take action the last time - and what 'action' would they take in the...
• I didn't say anything about voting as a bloc (tho the irony of that comment is amusing when speaking about quebec :) ) - I said there are no 'liberal friendl...
• Well that's not true. He's done a number of things - he's banned the sale of 'regular' light bulbs in favour of flourescants, he's put forward emission stand...
• Harper's fiscal policy bears little resemblance to 'reganomics'. To be honest - Obama winning is the best thing they could hope for - harper's policies are a...
• Oh i doubt it'll do much. The fact is, the first round had no interest for people, and this isn't really going anywhere either at this point. It's not like i...
• ROFLMAO - ohhh you know two wealthy people who are liberals do you :) Wow - as many as 2! Really! Hoo kaaaay. And how much money has the liberal gov't giv...
• Tom - afghanistan was always a combat mission. The liberals took us to kandahar as well, not the cpc. This idea that it 'was' peacekeeping' but is now 'pea...
• Well - i said he'll come out with a plan. We'll have to wait and see if its a 'good' one or not :) I would hope it is - but I hope every party comes out wit...
• Ahh - petro canada invested more in the east coast than in the west, and was the shining star in the 'NEP' distribution plan. I don't think that was doing th...
• Do you mean the liberal attack ads like 'soldiers. On our streets. in canada. we're not making this up.'? Or do you mean the CPC's attack ads on dion's lack ...
• Hahahahahah :) - oh PLEAAASE!!!!!! :) So now your complaint is that there's too MUCH wealth redistribution :) You do realize that's exactly what dion is...
• Sure. Going back in time a bit, as you can see here - http://tinyurl.com/5h973y and in a longer version, here: http://tinyurl.com/5mwykq In 2004 (just...
• Tinkering perhaps - but some of it is significant. Remember - harper has been pushing for programs to recognize the credentials of foreign trained workers ...
• You can if you like - or darfur if you prefer :) But we didn't go to afghanistan for humanitarian reasons. We went there to blow up some people that really n...
• Ahhh - well that does make more sense. I'm not sure i fully understand what you're referring to specifically tho when you say 'de-regulation' as you're app...
• Hmm. - i replied to this earlier but i guess somewhere along the line it got lost or i didn't hit submit or something. I'll give you the 'short' version :)...
• Ummm - i think you're going a little overboard to say he's channeling regan on some of those points. :) He'd have a little ways to go yet. He didn't de-re...
• My dear sir - Vancouver has more immigrants per capita than toronto does by a fair bit. Not to mention, ontario was kind enough to start a policy of buying a...
• Well we'll see what that riding does. It will be interesting if the ndp numbers rise significantly. And even -I- wouldn't have though outremont would vote nd...
• there is nothing 'basic' about canada's nuclear policy. And the AECL was in the right there - as many experts mentioned at the time. Excessive red tape and '...
• Hasn't garnered any love from voters eh? :) Actually, there's a lot of evidence to suggest it has impressed them. However - i think what we're seeing is th...
• The GST - hehehehe - this is one of my favorite examples of liberal hypocracy :) Lets start with your statement - it 'drained the treasury', but it gave not...
• No, she was fired because she was an incompetant goof who was unnecessarily delaying the process. And i will remind you that the legislation was put thru w...
• I don't know how you can say the bloc has - dion had several chances to take down the gov't last year and abstained. The election would long be over if dion ...
• Oh i think it's pretty much a given that the CPC has proven it acts like a gov't. Which is why in every single poll that asks about leadership they come out ...
• Nigel - I don't know if it's entirely fair to say the bloc has been the CPC's biggest ally - especially not in recent times. I still would say that falls t...
• Larryl - hehehehe - One thing i've noticed with certainty over the last several years, is that whenever someone trots out the phrase 'neo-con' they don't ...
• Oh - and larryl - just one more thing. "Steve" can't call an election :) only the opposition can do that. Why do you think dion's been afraid to show up a...
• Actually - i don't think there's ever been a time in the past when the liberals were 'counted out'. Oh sure, people will guess if the libs or the cpc/pc are ...
• I would rather be a know it all than a know nothing. No - it isn't appropriate to call them 'neo'. Buy a dictionary. And no - there is nothing 'new' abou...
• Sigh. Check your facts tpq. you can't just take one poll. Hell - the libs have polled as low as 26 percent, but i wouldn't have said they're at that level. ...
• Pure nonsense? So... you think harper DID NOT pass a law fixing the election date in 2009? And you think that 'neo con' refers to the age of the party? :)...
• Ahh - again with the insults :) I guess when you feel you're looking stupid, it's your defense mechanism. The law has nothing to do with the constitution...
• Awww - did i hurt your wittew feeewings because i pointed out your lack of knowledge again? It must be tough to be so opinionated without a clue - the emb...
• Uhh - the cpc wasn't even around for 'meech'. Geez - you're not easily confused, are ya :) And no - the polls don't show him slowly rising. The polls in ja...
• Well - i can't really refute with definitive certainty that it was pandering for the votes, even tho i believe the evidence points away form that. I suspect ...
• And yes, harper does attack and belittle dion. And no, that's not the way it should be. I think it got started with martin attacking harper, and harper attac...
• no, larryl I don't know it all. Just a lot more than you. And nice of you to admit that you weren't infact part of the conversation and chose to jump in :...
• Ahh - adding threats to your insults. Very easy to do behind a computer as you say. You were the one who discussed your parents in a previous thread. I suspe...
• Where did i insult your parents again? I pointed out you brought them up before. That is hardly an insult. And frankly - if you want to engage in insults y...
• You mean like abstaining from voting? Well, dion would approve at least. :)
• i'm not interested in your lame excuses. You brought up your parents as the reason for your lack of education - i pointed out here that they obviously didn't...
• Well you've pretty much got 'em both covered - you start out as the one and end on the other. So it's nice that you have choices.
• When two companies/groups/orgs merge they may be built on the histories of their orgs, but the creation is something new. There is no doubt in the world that...
• Repeating your own comments about your parents not providing for your education is hardly an insult. And its' a good show of your insincerity that you clai...
• Bernie, i can empathize with your point about a child raised in a home where hatred is bread into his bones from an early age. And i can see your argument th...
• Hold on - i thought one of the cbc folk was running for the NDP?
• Nobody cared when it was brought up originally, nobody cares now. As several polls showed, tory support didn't dip when the elections offices were raided, it...
• Truth be told, there's little chance of any charges even if the tories are found to have violated the rules. They hid nothing, they have said from day one th...
• You are correct on several points of law MRM - the united nations 'child combatant' law does not apply here at all, and of course the term 'unlawful combatan...
• Yeah, that's a fair statement nigel. I never like the word 'forced', but an opposition party should be able to negotiate amendments that reflect the will of ...
• Yeah - the facts don't back your statements up TPQ. While there's been little outcry officially from quebec, ontario is NOT excited about this at all either ...
• The tape is not the deciding factor. Remember the lawsuit was launched before the tape was found to be doctored. The allegation is that the liberals made the...
• Well obviously there will be no deficit. This kind of thing will happen now that we're not collecting 15 billion dollars worth of money from taxpayers that...
• I suspect that any impact will be minimal with the sponsorship scandal still making headlines: http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Politics/2008/07/24/6258121-cp.ht...
• Tom - nobody bombed HIS country - he was here in Canada. He and his father chose to go fight. It's not like they were Afghani and happend to be there at the ...
• Hahahaha :) The immigrants in Vancouver are pretty much staying in vancouver, as they have always done :) We get 'waves', always have always will. And t...
• ROFL - ipsos is a 'tory pollster'? You are quite quite wrong :) Nice try tho. :) And the latest polls i've seen sure don't put the tories 15 percent behind...
• Looks like the tories can take enough seats in Quebec to win their majority. As posted here in the national post: http://www.nationalpost.com/news/story.ht...
• WHILE DION PROPOSES MORE TAXES, CPC MOVES TO INCREASE JOBS IN ONTARIO. Well well well. While Dion is proposing more than a billion in new taxes for ontario,...
• We didn't want to go to war with the afghani. Their crime wasn't the bombing as you well point out. But - they chose to shelter the people who did it, whom t...
• Wow - a lot to respond to. THis will have to be a multi- parter. First off it's hardly cynical, it's just practical. And one doesn't need to ascribe some de...
• As to the 'green plan'. First off - do yourself a favour and strike anyone associated with david suzuki off the list when you present it in the future. Suzuk...
• Now. Onto 'the west hates the east' etc. It may be a slight generalization - but i'm afraid that what i've said is still true for the most part. Want proof...
• To be perfectly honest, i doubt there's any substantial interest in politics amongst most folks right now. I think most people are more interested in how muc...
• Ah! - heh, when i think 'question period' I always think of the 'real' one in the commons, i thought maybe they'd replayed it or a segment on sunday :) I don...
• BTW - interesting stuff about the nuclear plants. I've noticed that the latest canadian tech is also much more efficient than our current deployed tech - the...
• Well i can tell you that the poll results cannot be 'trusted'. The programming is very easy to mess with - it's quite simple to enter mutiple votes even if y...
• Well there's little doubt in my mind whom i consider to be the more competant Prime Minister :) But that wasn't the question. I think he was trying to exam...
• The knowledge is pretty common - but you're right that someone would have to 'care' to do it. I don't know about party 'hacks', but god knows there's enough ...
• Do you mean the results of this poll (or this kind of poll) or do you mean the results of elections? For the poll - politicans don't bother with online tra...
• The idea of the greens merging with the NDP has been discussed in the past amonst those parties, and is not without merit. The greens are often seen as being...
• The 'long standing concept' you mention does NOT include taking up arms against your country's ALLIES. The crusades (and wow - talk about taking it out of ...
• Well the greens have been here quite a while too, and have come very close to actually taking seats here in bc. The european 'variants' are a more left win...
• Well, there's truth in that. Heaven's knows that parties have in the past been greatly influenced or even 'taken over' by strong groups working within their ...
• You're right, the greens have enough voters to make a big difference.. on paper. But the question becomes 'would their voters follow them to the libs'? Lets...
• I have to agree with tpq in as much as there's no real secret to Harper's 'agenda'. His plans are clearly stated and there's no real mixed messages there. ...
• Ohhhh i think most people though the CBC was pretty darn liberal dominated long before Harper came along :) Hehehe. They were caught and chastized thanks to...
• Well i'm not sure the CPC has any plans to privatize the CBC, tho without a doubt they also won't be increasing it's funding anytime soon :) The current head...
• The United nations sanctioned and participated in the attack on afghanistan. Afghanistan was hardly an 'american only' thing, unlike iraq. There's somethin...
• The United nations sanctioned and participated in the attack on afghanistan. Afghanistan was hardly an 'american only' thing, unlike iraq. There's somethin...
• That's a hell of a suspicion :) Anything's possible. Tho i've often said and heard it echoed that you're generally speaking better off if you have a "type ...
• Well - looks like one Party leader has made his choice. The national post offers the following article: http://tinyurl.com/5kerh7 Here's the first blurb:...
• Well actually, the Fed iberals DID win, a year AFTER mcguinty got into power (he won in 2003, martin won in 2004). And they weren't really expected to win ...
• I think you're probably reaching here just a bit :) Trust me - martin wanted to win, he wanted to win the next time. He ran a rock solid campaign both times,...
• The UN is not 'nato'. It's the UN. Canada's decision to go is based on it's international agreements. And that includes its UN agreements. It's unreasona...
• Well, i can tell you that martin actually did want to win, very much :) He didn't sabotage his own chances. I think you'd have an easier time selling a 'c...
• But the conservatives weren't benefiting from big business donations. They had almost NO big business donations. They were benefiting from grass roots fund r...
• Well if you do a bit of digging you can look up who got what from whom. It's crystal clear. Even ignoring 'brown envelopes in restaurants', the liberals go...
• By the way - I know you're new to this, but the numbers from elections canada are available and a little research will confirm everything i've told you. He...
• There are severe ramifications of having his own party vote 'no confidence' in his policies. That would immediately trigger an expensive leadership conventio...
• Well, there's certainly a lot of analysts and political commentators that would tend to agree with you on most of those points. The liberals were not only ve...
• With regards to your last comment btw - if you really examine how the system works, the power brokers and big business interests don't really care who is in ...
• Larryl - if harper forced an election because his own party voted against him in a non confidence motion, then he would HAVE to step down as leader immediate...
• To be honest, i think it's got more to do with the fact that most people don't know when a new topic is posted :) This board isn't entirely popular just yet,...
• The by elections will with out a doubt be interesting to watch and analyze after the fact, and it could lead to a very lively fall. As to the date - sep 2 ...
• There is little to suggest that the pm's plans call for the end of the cbc as a publically funded org entirely. However - there is some indication that they ...
• Clearly I am an amature in the presence of a master :) Your conspiricy theories are way better than mine :) The greens are going to get shut out of the deb...
• Well - he DOES look a little like curious george now that you mention it :) It's hard to schedule the election debates over multiple nights, and it's diffic...
• The cbc won't be changing anything just to protect dion. They're not THAT far gone. And dion's going to get crucified either way unless he learns to speak ...
• That's essentially right. In fact - the GG can call an election without ANYONE asking her to :) That would be against tradition but she can in fact do it. It...
• Weird - looks like the system double posted your reply. I already replied to the first one :)
• Nik's own polling shows pretty conclusively that if anything people trust the CPC more in a weaker economy than dion. If that was dion's big stratagy, I th...
• Hehehehe - well we'll find out in one month, won't we :) 110 million to actually celebrate quebec is still a heck of a lot less than the Liberals spent unde...
• I could do hahahahahaha if you prefer :) Didn't mean to upset your sensibilities of course :) And watch the insults. If you want to go back to that style of...
• Fair enough on the insult thing, Perhaps i was being a little hasty and oversensitive. Voters do indeed have short memories for the most part. However - th...
• There's no doubt it will have a much lesser affect this time around (although i notice it's back in the news again as various trial and court things continue...
• Another interesting 'side race' we haven't been discussing is 'how will the NDP do in all of this'? That's going to be interesting to watch as well - and a...
• There's really no evidence at all that dion's scored ANY points with the 'green shift', either in canada in general or quebec. I think dion's best hope in ...
• Wow - you're the first person i've heard suggest they'll lose that many seats, but if it turns out you're right then you'll certainly have sealed your rep as...
• Interesting read in the Hill Times today: http://tinyurl.com/5o3zbt Here's the first blurb: Tories now think they can reach October 2009, Dion told to co...
• Well it doesn't take as much as you think to go over the stuff, and there are some 'quick and dirty' tricks that work pretty good when looking at what's poss...
• It really isn't that hard to tell which ridings are 'in play' and which are not. It's easier than telling who's going to be in the finals of the Stanley Cup ...
• Actually, if you look at the numbers brian mulroney did an ok job of beginning to set the country's finances back on track. He screwed up a few things - he...
• Oh I think there are those who loved him and those who hated them. For me, there's more to being a prime minister than simply fiscal management. But like a...
• Do I strike you as the kind of guy who doesn't look at the whole picture? Heh! :) The oil prices had nothing to do with things back in the late 80's. They ...
• I'm getting the sense that you don't LIKE the idea that mulroney did so much to resolve the deficit issue - but that is indeed the fact of the matter. The ...
• Well it sounds like what you're saying is that you prefer the fantasy to the reality :) Hey - there's lots of reasons why someone might not like the guy bo...
• Sigh - NO senate in history has or would quash a budget bill. If you're attmepting to claim that Chretien could not do it because of the senate, you're com...
• Corruption is the best reason to hate him? Well - to be honest I'm in perfect agreement with you :) I hate corruption. Oh I know, all politicians 'skirt th...
• Canadian businesses grew - american businesses came here and invested - jobs grew and the economy grew. And that's because it was easier to sell stuff to peo...
• heh - this response got a little longer than i meant it to, but there's one more thing i'd like to say - You said something interesting - that you and I wi...
• I doubt my research skills are much out of your league, i've probably just spent more time on it. I'd strongly encourage you to do so, you've clearly got int...
• As to the GST - yeah you're sort of right. The GST replaced an existing tax system that was charged at the manufacturers level. He said he'd look at putting ...
• I wish you'd quit saying 'nothing' could change your mind. Sure there's things that could change my mind - it's just very very very unlikely. However - t...
• Hmm - triple posted you this time. The server must be acting up again. I'm just going to respond to this version :) I'm not putting words in your mouth - ...
• Currently all the provinces are meeting the requirements of the Health Care Act - and yet virtually all provinces have a level of either PPP or straight priv...
• Larryl - i think sometimes you see 'proof' where there is none because you're looking for it too hard. There's an old saying - "When all you have is a hammer...
• Hey - good for you for looking things up! I think that's fabulous! You stopped a little too early tho :) Our interest rates aren't at 10 percent. Even morta...
• Oh I'M doctor spin :) I like that :) The cost of servicing the debt is the same as the interest rates. Hell, i gave you a chart that shows current debt serv...
• I don't think that's fair at all. I address what you say point for point even if it takes two posts - you can hardly say I've ignored anything you've said. ...
• spin spin spin and lies Isn't that the new liberal campaign slogan is it? :D Thanks for sharing tpq :) And what's best is they recycled it from their pre...
• I have hardly called Harper a saint. You're starting to get frustrated and you're making gross exaggerations that really aren't appropriate. I said harper ...
• As to when I addressed the 'major corruption' in the provincal PC party in Ontario - i addressed it when i spoke of the example you offered as corruption. Na...
• As to when I addressed the 'major corruption' in the provincal PC party in Ontario - i addressed it when i spoke of the example you offered as corruption. Na...
• As to when I addressed the 'major corruption' in the provincal PC party in Ontario - i addressed it when i spoke of the example you offered as corruption. Na...
• BTW - i notice today in the paper that Ontario lost 44 thousand jobs in july. How soon till the province starts running serious deficits again and the peo...
• Heh :) it's always a treat to see the left leaning folk scrambling when their parties are in trouble :) Of course no Prime Minister has sued before. No op...
• ROFLMAO - wasn't it YOU who was saying that ontario's jobs were in great shape :) Flaherty ALSO said that the exception was Ontario. Ontario he said faces a...
• Oh - and from that article, "Over the past 12 months, manufacturing employment across Canada was down 88,000, with nearly all the losses in Ontario," the fe...
• My desire to crush the liberals is entirely motivated by the corruption and arrogance inherent in the party today. Is that really so hard to understand? Do...
• laryl - Are you deliberately trying to be dishonest, or simply ignoring me? I've shown you 3 times now where i addressed your points, and asked you as many...
• Ok - first off you're a bit of an ass. This is the SAME ARTICLE i posted asking you if it was the correct one, with a SLIGHTLY different intro for the first ...
• I DID find it - and asked you if this was it. Instead of saying 'yes' - you just ignored it. And a beginner like you could post the address correctly to be...
• By 'struck a nerve' you must mean 'my dishonesty must annoy you'. And yes, tho it doesn't surprise me. I guess you believe in that old liberal tactic - sa...
• Actually - I think most people just don't check this site much any more. :) Recent polling by Angus Reid shows that you're both pretty wrong. Here's what ...
• we've talked about it for a month, what more did you want to say? It's a joke of course to say that the parliamentary committee fight is proof of anything ...
• Angus reid may be bias, but it's not in favour of the CPC i think :) However - while we may argue about that, we can hardly argue that Harris decima is bi...
• Well - in fairness when we refer to the MSM we're talking about a lot of media resources. For example, i don't think anyone would argue that the Toronto Star...

Who Canadians trust on the issues (New Nanos National Poll) (2008-07-07)

• Deb, I have to disagree with your position. I don't believe most Ontarians like yourself have any idea of how truly hated or destructive the original NEP ...
• Deb, you mentioned Since you do not know me, you cannot realistically assess my experience of the post-NEP period. Had you read more closely, you'd have no...
• Deb - on the face of it your comments simply cannot be true. For example, you claim: "$2.9 Billion as you quoted, is not for new social programs - its to of...
• Well there's a few points that come to mind. Doing the wrong thing is rarely better than doing nothing. Economically, Dion's plan has far worse repercussio...
• Regarding the NEP, Hehehe - well thank you for demonstrating how little Ontarians understand about the problem :) Yes, the NEP lasted 4.5 years. But the e...
• Oh, and one more thing. Even dion realises his plan won't work. Here's how you can tell. Lets say he's right, and it drives consumption down significantly....
• Deb writes: "Ontario is already feeling the effects of GHG emission problems with the collapse of the auto industry. " That is the most laughable comment i...
• Larryl writes "Politicians screwed you not citizens of Eastern Canada." That's true. We should remember that it was not the people, it was the politicians h...
• Now now larryl, be fair - at no time did i blame the NEP for 'all the west's problems'. In fact, i didn't blame it for anyone's problems but alberta, and jus...
• Hollinm writes: "increase the amount of the carbon tax from $40 per tonne to who knows the skys the limit for Liberals." Well - the fact is Hollinm they wi...
• Deb, you ask why we haven't heard about Harper's plans. The answer to that should be obvious. There's an old sun tsu saying - 'never interrupt your enemy w...
• larryl, your supposition that its 'all about the nep' is simply entirely false. Frankly, it started with the crow rate. Offer us a railroad to entice us to...
• ohhh - what a witty retort. I take it you have no logical or reasoned argument to put forward, and thus simply resort to low brow name calling. So... you' d ...
• Larryl, you ask, "foxer . Why would the government of Canada give B.C. any cash for becoming a British colony." Well they gave millions and millions to que...
• No, the fear that people have that dion will implement his plan is a sure sign people know it'll be exactly the wrong thing for the country in every way. T...
• Who will be blamed you ask? That's a nonsense question - Alberta will ride with the tide no matter what happens. Every province has it's good times and bad t...
• Oh and larryl - for someone who's concerned about health care, you sure haven't given the impact of a carbon tax much thought. Here's a blurb from bc today...
• You don't count BC as the west? I'd recommend buying a good map and a compass. You'll figure it out. BC certainly has always known it's part of the west. T...
• Parnel, if you believe that quebecers are most likely to switch to dion, you and dion are both in for a bit of a rude shock. The last round of by-elections s...
• I tend to agree. Minority gov'ts are a good thing once in a while, but we've had one now for almost 6 years. That's just too long. Things don't tend to get '...
• Parnel, it's hard to see how your examples of 'stupidity' could possibly be valid. 1 - Harper is a strong leader. You may or may not like conservative cent...
• 1 - Harper has delegated a number of things. And you may not like his environmental ideals, but he's definitely not burying the issue. He was addressing it ...
• Oh - and last point - Exactly what makes dion a good leader in your mind? Is it how he flip flops on every issue? (he didn't like carbon taxes a year ago.)...
• Hmm - the tories are leading in most respectable polls, dion's green plan is not moving people to think well of him, and news today suggests the liberals are...
• well parnel - i did check and you're off quite a bit. About 29 percent of alberta's income comes from non renewable resources. Now that's quite a bit - but...
• I did read what you wrote. And i commented on your quote specifically. If you find your own words confusing, that's beyond my ability to control :) And as i...
• Given the gross inaccuracies of your statements to date (especially considering how the actual information is readily available) i'm afraid you've got very l...
• I think i checked the numbers, and replied to what you posted. They don't make anywhere near 80 percent of their income from non renewable resources. Here ...
• Larryl, we do know where they've come from. And no, it's not global warming. In fact, this isn't the first outbreak. We've had them going back to the 30'...
• Venturing forth again are you? You're a brave brave man :) hehehe. The car you're talking about SOUNDS like a case that happened about that time involving t...
• I did look at the jobs. At best it comes out to about 40 percent. I posted my numbers, now why don't you post yours. Unless of course you're just making it...
• He flip flopped. He was quite adamant and sure before. And it's not his first flip flop. And I can tell you know that too, because your only 'proof' is i...
• It's true, this one is for all the marbles for the libs. If they lose, financially they could be devastated. Dion could prove to be worse for the libs than...
• 1 - Ahh yes, the supposed bribe to cadman. I tell you what - you find me any insurance company anywhere in the world willing to give a life insurance policy ...
• Well i think it's safe to say they won't be doing any cleanup of their own accord :) but if there was something a gov't was going to do something about, tha...
• BTW Deb - i appreciated your response. Although i may not agree with everything you said, it was intelligent and free of political 'namecalling'. I've tried ...
• I've read the plan. His room to move will have to cut into something, and if reductions are as predicted he'll run out of room very quickly. Also - remembe...
• 1 - The Cadman issue wasn't much alive when it started. The first question everyone asked was "what company would insure a dying man?" Then the widow came ou...
• Hahahahaha - yeah, keep telling yourself that :) You remind me of that story of the guy who jumped off a tall building - each floor he passed on his way do...
• Oh, so a liberal AND a bigot! How very efficient of you :) Well thanks for summing up the liberal culture - it's all about tax grabs and intolerance. Its be...
• I can think of half a dozen such 'car' claims, but i notice you're being very deliberately vague. There have been many such claims over the years - if you me...
• ROFL - why would we turf a winner? They said it was impossible to merge the pc and alliance. He did. The liberals said it would be years before the new C...
• BC is the west. It's stupid to suggest otherwise. You can 'not consider' south to be south either if you like, but it's just nonsense. No wonder you're s...
• I see no evidence of harper becoming 'hated'. In fact, his polling numbers stay pretty much the same. And he still polls ahead of dion a long ways in 'who wo...
• ROFL - yet another nerve eh? :) Don't worry - i understand. It's tough being a [EDITED BY MODERATOR] liberal who believes he's 'entitled to his entitleme...
• First off - you haven't actually posted an article below :) Second off - if anything - every time elections canada goes after the tories these days, the pub...
• They're standing a little better than 31 percent in the polls :D And you think dion might possibly have paid off his debt after this NEXT group of fund rais...
• Hmm. I'm still not seeing any information on this car of yours with the magic carburetor. And yes, saying someone made it up is pretty much the same as say...
• Wow - you picked Tom ogle? THATS your big 'conspiricy guy'? The guys design is nothing new, and the principle is already used in diesel engines - but his i...
• Well if you're 60 and you still think and act like that, and you feel i'm being arrogant, all i can say is you've been damned lucky. You don't patent techn...
• Well i'd rather be arrogant and right than ignorant and wrong. :) Obviously you prefer it a different way, and that's your choice.
• Why are you even bringing up the nukes etc? Everyone's aware that japan got nuked and somehow this is a big issue for you - and apperently anyone who can co...
• No, the truth is not what you choose to believe. The truth is the truth. Sometimes you don't have all of it, but as thinking people our goal should always be...
• Oh - and parnel - have a look at the latest CROP poll from quebec: http://tinyurl.com/5c47g6 Wow. Looks like the libs are sinking, the ndp are rising, and ...
• Might want to read this latest info hollinm. I'm sure you were as surprised as I was to find that his information wasn't entirely accurate. Enjoy :) http://...
• Time travel - TWO MONTHS AGO :) hahahaha - but somehow the ndp hasn't a 'hope in hell' :D Riiiight, because the ndp has done so much wrong in the last two m...
• ROFLMAO - so.. quebec is all on vacation right now, but a poll just before they went on vacation is irrelevent because SOMEHOW while on vacation they've all ...
• Hmm - should have worked, works for me. Try cutting and pasting it to your browser. I don't want to post the original link because it's very long. Email me i...
• Go check a calander again - that was just a week more than 2 months ago :) And the trend has been going on for a year! LOL! And the hill times issues have ...
• Actually just over two - but the funny thing is parnel claims that people right now are all on vacation in quebec... and somehow, while on vacation, they all...
• Yeap, looks like the same I think. About the only polling agency that even hints at a tory slide is harris-decima, which for some strange reason ALWAYS pol...
• hahaha! Looks like yet another nerve struck, hey there parnel? :) It's so easy to tell when you know you're losing - you always seem to resort to swearing...
• I'll cut it into two peices - you'll have to paste them into your browser. http://communities.canada.com/MONTREALGAZETTE /blogs/onthehill/archive/2008/04/...
• Uhh - i never said i had advanced info on this poll :) So i'm not a liar, you're just not a good reader. I said i hadn't seen it before i posted my though...
• I already commented on that gent i believe. He was on charles adler too - adler thanked him for being more honest than dion as to what the tax was for, and t...
• Your right - you don't know what is :) But then again - it's not surprising a liberal wouldn't know what a lie is, they lie to everyone so often it all just...
• Ahh well. Every group has one.
• No - (and god i'm getting sick of having to say that to you :) ) if you choose not to believe something, that does not make it a lie. First off - a lie is ...
• Part two. Your glaring lack of knowledge (as it appears in your posts) is fact. Your PERSONAL knowledge is unknown - you could be knowledgable and just fak...
• ROFL - sure. Ok. Whatever helps you sleep with yourself at night :) Feel free to make up whatever you like, i know that people in your mental state need a bi...
• Hey parnel - i'm curious - do you actually sick your fingers in your ears and close your eyes while you repeat 'liar liar liar' everytime you don't hear some...
• Yeap - and you'd be the person i was personifying :) Your post however was simply brilliant. Ohhhh - i'm entirely caught in the web of your intricate and el...
• Hahaha! And yet another nerve hit :) My my - this must be driving you crazy :) If by 'howling' you mean laughing my ass off, yeah i'm definitely doing that ...
• You were insulting. And rude. But i dont' expect you to admit to that - not your style it would seem. in fact - my first reply to you in this thread was to...
• Larryl, There are several ways for the parties to know what we want. The most common one is for Members to be aware of the issues that affect their ridings, ...
• IF - IF fundraising goes as well as expected, by sometime next year they'll be at a break even point where they're raising as much per year in gov't money an...
• Bernie - the challenge with any system designed to remove someone who is 'not representing their constituents as they should' is twofold. First - inevitabl...
• A few observations larryl. First off - it would be wrong to assume those who are unsure are those who will not vote. They are far more likely to be those w...
• Holinm writes: "Dion's new green sh.ft plan will convince middle class Canadians that his tax grab is the wrong policy when a country is facing a potential ...
• Interesting observation about williams, but dion will be a little boxed into a corner there. The only way he'll make williams happy is if he excludes newfo...
• Larryl writes: "Dion has nowhere to go but up." Holinm writes: "Dion has been playing to a closed audience this summer and I would say that in an election...
• TPQ - while this should come as a surprise to no one, the star's numbers are incorrect on several levels. First off - one has to remember that the violent...
• The use of terms like 'rabid dog tory' strongly suggests that you are bias to the point that you cannot make intellectual comments on the subjects at hand. I...
• I heard the same 'you don't know about quebec' stuff just before outremont. Also - earlier i posted a quebec only poll done just two months ago showing the l...
• The bloc wins in quebec. In fact, it's STILL the majority party there. If Duceppe did not look like he'd take a large part of quebec, he'd lose votes based o...
• And in the west, Liberal fortunes are getting even worse, if that's possible. Saskatchewan will likely be liberal free, Manitoba will likely lose most if not...
• I doubt PEI will benefit much from the 'green shift'. That's got to have people there a little worried. Any kind of farming community will have trouble with ...
• There's very little indication that dion is gaining support - even harris decima which is consistent in posting higher 'liberal' numbers than anyone else (to...
• Well actually three almost identical polls have been done lately, one only a week or two ago. It's pretty much the same results - with perhaps slightly hig...

Liberal Green Shift - High Risk and Potentially High Reward (Video Blog Post) (2008-06-23)

• Larryl - I appreciate your strong beliefs in this matter. I personally don't think that 'carbon' is anywhere near as real a problem as some seem to, but I'm ...
• Nationalization of resources has never really worked in practice tho. I can't think of a place where it's been successful over any stretch of time. And a lot...
• Supper - last year was pretty 'normal' for bc and the year before was unseasonably cold in most of BC. Even our environment records only show about a .3 to ....
• JSW, I found your comments interesting. Truth be told, i tend to lean more on the right of center than the left, but unlike many i'm not rabidly loyal to a p...
• There is little doubt the NDP has to get back to it's 'roots' a little. There's a lot of issues they're out of sych with their core on. For example - "gun co...
• Well based on the nanos poll here the libs haven't taken much lead at all on the environment - i think they're statistically tied with the cpc. What's surpri...
• Actually - if anything it's getting a little worse due to mixed messages from within the party. Hedy Fry had an unfortunate radio interview where she answere...